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Fast Cast and Haste in gear only.
 Leviathan.Draugo
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2011-03-15 00:12:39  
Posted this on KI but figures I would copy/pasta here due to higher traffic:

So I am wondering if there is a 50%, 25% or any other cap towards recast on Utsu/various ninjutsu recast options?

Been considering this for a long time and wondering what the ideal unsupported set would be for near perfect recast.

First I would want to consider how much ninja can fast cast for. By my calculations it is about 10% (neck) 10% (katana) + 5% (Body mirke) 5% (loq ear) + 2.5?? (MCP head) for casting time.

Now for recast with all that added, about 16.5%?

If you are going with that would you only need another 9.5% in the proper casting time of your utsusemi macro to reach true and pure capped recast? or can you go beyond the hard cap with fast cast gear?

If you could get your hands on the ideal recast and quickest casting time (gear only) gear set what would it be?
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By Ifrit.Zerovirus 2011-03-15 00:22:04  
Loquacious earring is -2% casting -1% recast.

Also this might help you:

Fast Cast

Haste
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By Fenrir.Enternius 2011-03-15 00:22:54  
FFXIAH has higher traffic than KillingIfrit? Cool.
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 Leviathan.Draugo
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2011-03-15 00:59:44  
Yea have for a while now. For instance 2 responses so far here and 0 on KI. I am drunk atm, and was also drunk when I posted this initially, I will come back in a day or two to clarify and post some links/gear info to further clarify and reference for the discussion.

I guess the main question at hand is what the ideal set would be for haste, if you had the the max fast cast ninja can put on. Do you need a full 25/6%? or a much smaller number due to a hard cap with your fast cast in consideration?

Sorry if the question is still confusing, like I said I am drunk. bottle and a half of cabernet >.>

Edit: thanks for the link Zero I will try to review them in the next 24 hours, they may help me clarify/answer my own question.
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2011-03-16 20:03:37  
10 katana 5 body 5 hat 2 loq = 22
22/2 = 11 from recast
4 dusk+1, 7+4 iga+2, 7 twilight = 22
so 33% from gear

or 10 katana 5 body 2 loq = 17
25% from gear
8.5 + 25 = 33.5% from gear
 Leviathan.Draugo
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2011-03-19 03:14:56  
For recast purposes then: 5% katana 2.5 body, 2.5 head, 1 ear = 11%?

+ 25/6% haste = 36/7%?
If I am understanding this correctly NIN at the most can attain 36.etc.% on recast with gear alone?

I think that is wonderful for Miguwari alone, with it's rediculous 2 minute cool down.

Drunk again btw.....

Star Craft 2 is awesome.
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2011-03-19 03:33:02  
if you could cap haste without the head slot, sure. i forgot tiercel necklace for the first one so that'd actually be 34%, assuming that what path replied with on KI isn't true.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-19 03:34:56  
Fenrir.Enternius said:
FFXIAH has higher traffic than KillingIfrit? Cool.

KI is still around..?
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 Leviathan.Draugo
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2011-03-19 03:47:17  
As far as I am aware the neck only reduces casting time (not recast) on utsusemi. Assume that a player can cycle through 2-3 pieces of gear per slot in a single cast....


Fight club etc...
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2011-03-19 03:52:10  
Leviathan.Draugo said:
For recast purposes then: 5% katana 2.5 body, 2.5 head, 1 ear = 11%?

+ 25/6% haste = 36/7%?
If I am understanding this correctly NIN at the most can attain 36.etc.% on recast with gear alone?

I think that is wonderful for Miguwari alone, with it's rediculous 2 minute cool down.

Drunk again btw.....

Star Craft 2 is awesome.

It's not additive.

floor( [1-Haste] * truncate( [1-Fast Cast] * Recast ) )

So, 1-.25 = .75
1-.11 = .89
.75*.85 = 0.66
0.66*2(minutes) = 1min 19sec so about 34% (caps at 50%, Fast Cast caps at -25% recast)
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2011-03-19 04:08:42  
thanks for the formula.

and my numbers were for recast (although i added them, so the final numbers are wrong), and i did assume different pieces for the cast -- you don't need spellcast to swap things for cast time and recast. my reasoning was that i don't think both the fast cast and the haste would be applied to the recast. and i mentioned tiercel necklace, not magoraga.
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By Otomis 2013-09-21 09:49:39  
Just want to check I am not math'n wrong. This set would lead to a 25 sec recast on Reraise with haste up and Rdm native FC trait @ 99. Looking for optimal precast set. Missing Pro Ring and +1 back and feet, when I get funds up planning on getting em.

ItemSet 312687
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2013-09-21 13:19:50  
Otomis said: »
Just want to check I am not math'n wrong. This set would lead to a 25 sec recast on Reraise with haste up and Rdm native FC trait @ 99. Looking for optimal precast set. Missing Pro Ring and +1 back and feet, when I get funds up planning on getting em.

ItemSet 312687
Holy necrobump

You can also drop the couple hours into making an Arka II, for the recast time reduction
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