Gandiva Vs Harrier

Hey I just have a couple blunt questions.
Is making Gandiva worth the effort, or should i just make a Harrier if i want Jinshu's for a toy.

I guess in short, is the ODD aftermath worth the work, or should i just get harrier and have the WS. (mainly use in abys, so lots of regain and such)

Also the delay of Gandiva is quite low, i could see much nicer hit builds with the Harrier, even though im sure thats a ridiculous arguement.

Anyway just curious to what others thought about the Gandiva.

the WS itself is sick, but seeing 1.3k crits is funny on rng ^^ also 2 very easy NM's fistule... a DD can zerg it down in 2 mins, and bukis well every1 wants PLD DNC +2 and ofc the card's

emps give u something 2 work 2wards ^^

As he said, the level 80 version of bow really is a joke to get..
Bukis might be a small drag, but the NM you need for the level 90 version again is very easy..
So I'd say go for the real deal!

The argument as to which one is worth getting is rather moot if you dont have a way to solo WoE, or have means of getting coins at a reasonable rate. For most its probably easier to get an abyssea group and get the real thing since there's other rewards to entice helpers who arent gunning for coins. If you can solo WoE... you can complete like 4 weapons at a time so the work:reward ratio is a lot better.

Edit: it also depends how much you plan on playing RNG since its relatively low utility. I have never used rng outside of xp to get it to 90, and ive never even fired jishnu's once since getting it lol.

go with harrier. steal coins, make bedlam at the same time. WoE is always open on odin!

Go for Harrier! From my server's experience, Bukhis is too much of a *** block to find a reliable party to farm. I never see shouts for him, and the one time I did, we took at least 20-30 mins per kill. Big time burner.

Do Gandiva. Fistule is a joke, Bukhis is annoying for lowman but which NM isn't? If you get to Bukhis and can't kill more than a handful with a steady group then start offering to fell cleave people's jobs up while you amber burn boxes for pop items, then brew straight through bukhis. If people are doing keys for you then you won't lose too much cruor (unfortunately I did most of my keys even when people were leeching).

You realize fell cleaving boxes only works for 2 of the 3 ki, and assuming you're doing it alone, you can only hold 1 2/3 set before needing to kill Lord Varney and then Bukhis?

Unless you're killing LV and Bukhis while doing the xp pt..I can hardly see how that's worth the time..a whole pt for 2/3 ki?

It would be harder to get people to grind through useless xp pts to get ki rather than actually kill the nms and Bukhis...whom is actually really easy.

suck less...varney can be soloed...buhkis trioed...with 2 nin /thf /dnc + whm

we did 1 AE burn, 3 mules to leech/key and 2 more people to seal farm for random jobs while waiting for varney.

so in about 30-45 mins time...we had 6 full pops~ if you have the cruor you can burn that down with 1 brew or you can fight traditionally. Its actually a really easy fight with a couple of decent players.

As for fistule. I duoed 50 discharges with my rdm mule + my thf while my blm friend AoEd me time every night.

Man it up, do the Gandiva, i never knew why people sold themselves short for a WoE version unless it was the glavoid/wamura path (tunga claim sucks and so does KI farming for glavoid)

PM me for strats on any weapons. 90% of the empyrean weapons can be duoed/trioed in a reasonable amount of time.

Just don't let me catch you in there while I'm farmin Fistule! I might have to get all sad at you, and you just couldn't live with yourself after that, right?!


Seriously though, Bhukis isn't even that big of a cockblocker, I solo Varney on BST without any issues (Actually, perfect time to browse the lolthread), Bhukis himself is a three man ordeal at worst, just bring lots of Holy water or the greatest stunner on the planet.

I could see NIN + WHM duoing Bukhis if you're willing to gamble with doom (even then, just Mijin at the last second). Keep two shadows up and Lethal Triclip should never touch you.

Bring hallowed waters!

question regarding the ws itself, can someone tell me the tp return of the ws with gandiva and harrier and how much stp you had to get that tp return?

Sorry I should've been more clear. I tribox'd WAR+WHM+leech so that's 3x 2/3 and had friends come on leech jobs (at one point had 5+ there) so that's 8x 2/3. And varney can be duo'd on WAR+WHM.

Bukhis being easy is beside the point. I wanted to get it done ASAP after we finished getting our +2's from it. The point is that sometimes RL time > cruor.

Um ok but, do you realize that just doing the nms is faster than an xp pt?

Trust me fighting mobs/ setups and such isnt an issue. I know very well how easy emp weapon NM's are. I have emp pole and have trio'd our way through 4 other emp weapons.

I was simply just looking at the time / effort vs overall payout. Not sure if i wanna do another rotation of weapns with my crew lol

That's how I ended up doing the Vunk part on my bow. 4 people (+4 mules) killing the NMs and Varney when it was up to make pop sets, go kill Bukhis, repeat. Only took two 5hr sessions-ish (most time saved killing Bukhis by brewing the big cow just because we could) We never had great luck with KI farming hence why we went sod it and just did the NMs for KIs. Fistule was just me on WHM, boyf on MNK. Roughly 20 hours in total give or take.

it wasnt really directed at you but more so to the people complaining that they'd have to camp varney and that buhkis is some kind of impossible or tough task to handle.

As for a empyrean rotation~ its really not that bad, if you have a group of friends which seems like you do. Why not? what else are you going to do these days anyways?

Im on my third and fourth weapon for myself and mule~ Mainly because im a derp with no life.

Everyone in the group has a weapon though~ i just happen to play a lot more then the rest of the group (so far...masamune, armageddon, twashtar, gandiva, vere, in the works are my kannagi and Gambanteinn :D ) and have the advantage of dualboxing. I support multi empyrean goals!

*cough* Where's my Ukon then, taru?

:| Do you really want to do an ukon? GO GET WOE VERSION SO WE CAN ROLL THROUGH GLAVOID FASTER! DIE RR FURYYYYYYYYYY DIE RR FURYYYYYYYYYYYYY while i tank :)

*edit* btw im not the one stopping us from doing more tahrongi. You know this haha

Meh. You can do it your way and call it faster if you like. I finished my Gandiva this way just fine and it was easy and fast. To each his own.

We'll, yeah I could do it my way and call it faster, because it is faster...there's no questions about it...

I still haven't finished mine... Bukhis is no joke these days - peaople are on that ??? every minute of the day. Fight itself is still a joke but seriously people been all over it recently on Siren. So I'm only at 21/50 for lv 85. But Gandiva > Harrier fo sho... can even get a 4-hit outside aby so its really not a big deal since 5-hit is optimal both in and out of aby imo. I say 5-hit is optimal because you sacrifice a good deal of rttk to get the stp required of 4-hit.

............... For some reason when i first saw this thread i read: "Gandiva vs Hitler" .... >.> don't ask....

Go for the Gandiva... why settle for less? If you're gonna put all the work in, do it proper. ^^ that's my opinion.

Im not sure why people even make these threads. Of course Gandiva will beat Harrier. Any empyrean will beat its WoE counterpart.

As far as difficulty goes, the answer is generally the same too. If you have a group willing to grind out your emp, it will go quick. If you dont, WoE is better. The only exception being possibly carabosse path.

Do you have a WHM friend who would be willing to help you?

Yes -> do Armageddon
No -> enjoy taking forever to solo coins or just don't make the weapon at all

Took me about a week to get coins off and on doing it each day... I hear it's alot faster if you have acess to confluxes that my server doesn't

you can get several, enough for 2 weapons in a single night if you have 7 open.

Bukhis is an easy low man NM and every one his pop KIs drop in Gold Boxes. So while farming Lord Varney, you can gold chest farm on bats. If the zone is pretty empty, with a pt of 5-6 you can do 3 to 4 full runs in an afternoon.

Fistule is a joke, as long as you don't fight others for NMs to pop him.

Empy bow is really easy to get and well worth the effort.