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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2009-03-09 15:56:16
Yotevol said: Being an Elvaan 75BLM/37RDM, I offer my gear up for criticism. Keep in mind, that I have 73% HP, for my ring. It's well rounded for dynamis and great for puddings. Merits- 5/8 Enfeebling 6/8 Elemental 6/8 Lightning Potency 5/8 Ice Potency Here it is: BLM~Yote Over all it looks like a good start. I would suggest getting the following: Bugard Strap +1 Demon Helm +1 Morion/Phantom Earring Yigit Crackows I personally nuke in Elemental Torque. I suppose I could swap to a INT neck, but since I'm either Nuking, Enfeebling or using Dark magic I just swap to the appropriate torque for the spell. As far as the elemental grips: I would use those for enfeebling only, personally.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-09 15:57:23
I use Enlightened Chain when I'm going for maximum INT build (+3 INT, which is respectable when you consider what else is available) and Elemental Torque for everything elemental based. Beak Necklace +1 for idling and Curing!
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-03-09 15:57:50
If you do einherjar get the gleemans cape :) and sell the prism :P
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-09 15:58:16
Ixion Cape or GTFO...
...'cause it's new and shiny.
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-09 15:58:37
Yeah, I would save up for an Elemental Torque and to save gil on the earring slot, try doing the ENM to get this. It even looks like an Antivenom earring at first glace so you can trick some people. "Wtf are you wearing an antiven--oh...ok, nvm."
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By Asura.Yotevol 2009-03-09 15:59:35
Alyria said: I agree lol, I looked at the same items. And start doing salvage and get your *** a morrigan's robe!!! lol j/k I was just gonna say get rid of that antivenom earring. In my opinion I'd suggest an elemental torque over your philo stole but I may get a bunch of crap on that. If you do sea, try to get prudence torque. :) I'm still after it atm but I have elemental torque atm. Eh... I'm not going for the Morrigan's... too much gil. :-( I'm a cost effective BLM. I like my equipment the way I like my gf, cost effective! hehe ~Yote
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-03-09 16:02:34
Wooooodum said: Ixion Cape or GTFO...
...'cause it's new and shiny. lol but gleeman is free 15k ichor :P
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-09 16:04:04
Very time consuming though, and for Black Mage and Red mage, Omega Ring is a much more solid item to get with your ichor!
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-03-09 16:06:10
I think i did just a few runs of einherjar, its only 30 min.. win or lose u get ichor.
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-09 16:07:37
I made a semi-cost effective BLM setup here all for under 1m for everything (at least on my server). You'll have to do some assault, einherjar and get lucky in Dynamis for a few pieces but overall it's cheap and very effective from what I can tell ^^
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-03-09 16:11:30
This is what I have so far http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=24389I know, I know...I'm still working on some items.
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2009-03-09 16:11:38
Yotevol said: Being an Elvaan 75BLM/37RDM, I offer my gear up for criticism. Keep in mind, that I have 73% HP, for my ring. It's well rounded for dynamis and great for puddings. Merits- 5/8 Enfeebling 6/8 Elemental 6/8 Lightning Potency 5/8 Ice Potency Here it is: BLM~Yote So... where's your standing setup? It's the most important set you can build on BLM....
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-09 16:13:25
Yotevol said: 6/8 Lightning Potency You mean 5/5? :p
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-09 16:15:34
Wow that's nice! Only places to improve upon that I can see is elemental grips, Goliard Cuffs, and Witch Sash/Sorcerer's Belt and Sorcerer's Hat if you're lucky ;x
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2009-03-09 16:18:11
seriously do none of you know what a standing setup is, or how it's used?
Or are you guys just too lazy/cheap to play the job properly?
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-03-09 16:19:32
Artemicion said: Wow that's nice! Only places to improve upon that I can see is elemental grips, Goliard Cuffs, and Witch Sash/Sorcerer's Belt and Sorcerer's Hat if you're lucky ;x Thanks, I don't have a dynamis shell and i'm not sure about the witch sash, dunno how to get it really and not spending 2 mil on it. I dunno about the elemental grips, are they absolutely better for what I got already? What is it that they do? I always thought they were for rdm lol
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-09 16:23:29
Witch Sash is not really worth it for Black Mage; in my opinion, it should be the final upgrade you make in terms of bought items. It's already been proven in lots of parses that Sorcerer's Belt out parses. It's worth it if you have Red Mage as well, though. Your money is probably better spent upgrading other slots in the meantime. Sovereign said: seriously do none of you know what a standing setup is, or how it's used?
Or are you guys just too lazy/cheap to play the job properly? Because that'll make us want to talk to you.
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By Asura.Yotevol 2009-03-09 16:31:50
Wooooodum said: Yotevol said: 6/8 Lightning Potency You mean 5/5? :p Oops, I fat fingered it. I am 3/5 on both. Still workin the merits. Sovereign said: Yotevol said: Being an Elvaan 75BLM/37RDM, I offer my gear up for criticism. Keep in mind, that I have 73% HP, for my ring. It's well rounded for dynamis and great for puddings. Merits- 5/8 Enfeebling 6/8 Elemental 6/8 Lightning Potency 5/8 Ice Potency Here it is: BLM~Yote So... where's your standing setup? It's the most important set you can build on BLM.... Umm... I rarely rest when I'm at full nuke set up. Mainly, I change my feet to the Relic BLM feet for conserve MP +5 and aspir like crazy! My RDM and WHM friend toss me a haste to help me aspir faster. In dynamis, I usually get 90-180MP aspir-ed. It's kind of fun! Refresh/Ballad and an Aspir are all I need to be ready to nuke again. With all my "Conserve MP" gear, makes things cheap too... lol. ~Yote
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By Fenrir.Alijah 2009-03-09 16:35:56
By standing setup, I think he meant the gear you wear while idling. It's best to stack Refresh and Damage Reduction while just idling and running from point A to point B, especially in zones such as sea or dynamis where aggro can hit you unawares pretty easily. Not to mention, a few free MPs while running to your next spot never hurt anyone. :)
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-03-09 16:36:32
Yotevol said: Umm... I rarely rest when I'm at full nuke set up.
Mainly, I change my feet to the Relic BLM feet for conserve MP +5 and aspir like crazy!
My RDM and WHM friend toss me a haste to help me aspir faster.
In dynamis, I usually get 90-180MP aspir-ed. It's kind of fun!
Refresh/Ballad and an Aspir are all I need to be ready to nuke again.
With all my "Conserve MP" gear, makes things cheap too... lol.
~Yote wait your rdm/whm friends caste haste on you, so you can aspir faster? that's a first ive ever heard anyone do that but ok. Make your item set for the conserve mp gear I wanna see. I haven't put all my other things I have for certain spells. I do have some a resting gear set but its not fully complete, still need pieces. Edit: If he's talking idling gear, for my refresh its my morrigan's robe. I gave away the black robe ages ago. I do however suggest you get a refresh robe when you run yote.
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2009-03-09 16:41:47
Wooooodum said: Sovereign said: seriously do none of you know what a standing setup is, or how it's used?
Or are you guys just too lazy/cheap to play the job properly? Because that'll make us want to talk to you. I could really care less if you want to talk to me. And for all intents and purposes, I could really care less how anyone decides to play thier BLM. All I'm trying to tell you all is that there is a good way to play BLM, and there is a crappy way. If you're not utilizing a standing setup, you're a crappy BLM. End of story.
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-03-09 16:45:41
Sovereign said: Wooooodum said: Sovereign said: seriously do none of you know what a standing setup is, or how it's used?
Or are you guys just too lazy/cheap to play the job properly? Because that'll make us want to talk to you. I could really care less if you want to talk to me. And for all intents and purposes, I could really care less how anyone decides to play thier BLM. All I'm trying to tell you all is that there is a good way to play BLM, and there is a crappy way. If you're not utilizing a standing setup, you're a crappy BLM. End of story. Gear doesnt make the player, it only helps the player. It is all based on how you know your job and what to do, not the gear. However it is common sense to have things to help them out in different areas.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-09 16:46:41
There's really no need for that, Sovereign. Just because we don't reply to your post, doesn't mean we're cheap or lazy. Insulting us was just uncalled for.
Contribute constructively, or don't contribute at all.
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By Fenrir.Alijah 2009-03-09 16:48:26
Wooooodum said: There's really no need for that, Sovereign. Just because we don't reply to your post, doesn't mean we're cheap or lazy. Insulting us was just uncalled for. ^
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-03-09 16:54:29
wait a sec the standing gear you talk of is all gear that is damage taken -%?
If a blm is standing there, i hope they are out of range for aoes and afk in a spot that they dont die..
why would a blm be standing idle anyways, they should be focusing on whatever the event/situation is. Stunning when they supposed to, keeping eye on the surroundings, etc.
I'm kinda curious now of this standing gear
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-09 16:57:12
Standing Gear = Looking cool... Duh!
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By Asura.Yotevol 2009-03-09 16:58:18
Alyria said: Yotevol said: Umm... I rarely rest when I'm at full nuke set up.
Mainly, I change my feet to the Relic BLM feet for conserve MP +5 and aspir like crazy!
My RDM and WHM friend toss me a haste to help me aspir faster.
In dynamis, I usually get 90-180MP aspir-ed. It's kind of fun!
Refresh/Ballad and an Aspir are all I need to be ready to nuke again.
With all my "Conserve MP" gear, makes things cheap too... lol.
~Yote wait your rdm/whm friends caste haste on you, so you can aspir faster? that's a first ive ever heard anyone do that but ok. Make your item set for the conserve mp gear I wanna see. I haven't put all my other things I have for certain spells. I do have some a resting gear set but its not fully complete, still need pieces. Edit: If he's talking idling gear, for my refresh its my morrigan's robe. I gave away the black robe ages ago. I do however suggest you get a refresh robe when you run yote. Well, I don't spam "HASTEMEOMGWTFORZ!"... I just ask for a haste when things are going well and they have plenty of MP. Which happens from time to time. My conserve MP gear isn't really a "set up". It's more of throwing together good conserve gear that doesn't drop my DPS too much. Like, I use BLM Relic Feet instead of Rostrum Pumps. Only 1 less INT, but +5 Conserve MP. Little things like this help a LOT when it kicks in. ~Yote
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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2009-03-09 17:08:02
Alyria said: wait a sec the standing gear you talk of is all gear that is damage taken -%?
If a blm is standing there, i hope they are out of range for aoes and afk in a spot that they dont die..
why would a blm be standing idle anyways, they should be focusing on whatever the event/situation is. Stunning when they supposed to, keeping eye on the surroundings, etc.
I'm kinda curious now of this standing gear The point of standing gear is say for instance you are in Dynamis and you sleepga mobs. After you cast your enfeebling magic you switch back to the standing gear. If a mob wakes up early and comes for you, then you are already set for damage reduction. This should also be your "Oh ***I have hate" swap for kiting. Basically if you aren't nuking, enfeebling whatever you ultimately should be in damage down and refresh gear unless you are taking a knee then you should be in hMP and MP+ gear.
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2009-03-09 17:50:52
Wooooodum said: There's really no need for that, Sovereign. Just because we don't reply to your post, doesn't mean we're cheap or lazy. Insulting us was just uncalled for.
Contribute constructively, or don't contribute at all. who the *** are you again? I didnt call anyone cheap or lazy because they failed to reply to my post. I called them cheap and lazy because they dont seem to take the foresight to macro in a standing setup, when all it can do is make them a BETTER black mage. Especially when you should already have an earth staff anyway, a basic standing setup can be had directly from the AH for 250k and three spare inventory slots (cheviot cape, sorcerer's earring, black cloak). If you cant afford that ***, you're cheap. If you dont want to macro it in, you're *** lazy. Alyria said: wait a sec the standing gear you talk of is all gear that is damage taken -%?
If a blm is standing there, i hope they are out of range for aoes and afk in a spot that they dont die..
why would a blm be standing idle anyways, they should be focusing on whatever the event/situation is. Stunning when they supposed to, keeping eye on the surroundings, etc.
I'm kinda curious now of this standing gear Standing/Idle refers to any period in which you are not actively casting a spell, and you are not resting (hence, standing). To further clarify, you are not actively casting unless the "Casting Time" bar appears in the top left corner of the HUD. When you start looking at it that way, you'll realize exactly how much time you actually do spend idling.
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By Asura.Yotevol 2009-03-09 17:51:04
kk-
Well, this is some stuff to think about.
Some helpful, some not very helpful.
Something to think about though,
You learn just as much from bad players, as you do from good players.
Just like you learn more from mistakes than success.
Keep your minds open and your possibilities are endless!
~Yote
Ok, so, this is for the young in heart (not the leet, they know this already) and unfamilar with this job. This topic is being told in this thread but I wish to not derail this thread too much. If you are a BLM who is endgame. Please respond by placing your message to the newbies. If you are a BLM who is a newbie, please, listen to sage advice. Here it goes: Korpg said: Aledacia said: Depending on what you're doing...
Merits. 8/8 Enfeeb, 5/5 Para II, 4/5 Slow II, 1/5 Phalanx II.
Use AF tabard + AF head or Elite Beret/+1 + Enfeebling/Spider Torque for Enfeebs.
MND Set - Paralyze/II, Slow/II: Sapphire Ring x2, Errant/Mahatma Slops, Devotee's Mitts/+1, Errant/Mahatma Pigaches, Rainbow Cape, Al Zahbi Sash/Penitent's Rope/Witch Sash. Just to name a few. Theres better stuff, but they cost more. ^^
INT Set - Gravity, Dispel, Poison, Bio I-III, Bind: Diamond Ring x2, Errant/Mahatma Slops, Errant/Mahatma Gloves, Errant/Mahatma Pigaches, Rainbow Cape, Al Zahbi Sash/Penitent's Rope/Witch Sash...
MND+ helps Para and Slow land more plus increases potency - particularly noticeable with Para.
INT+ helps Gravity, Dispel, Poison, Bio, Bind and other elemental/dark-based enfeebs/DoT's land.
MP Set - Intensifying Cape, Hierarch Belt, Serket Ring, Ether Ring, LV62 & LV70 RSE (in some cases), Astal/Insomnia/Antivenom Earrings, Hedgehog Bomb, Staff Strap, and so on.
Enfeebling Torque by far has to be the best investment I made in RDM. +Skill really helps, but in the long run you're gonna want to use Torque, AF bod, and Elite Beret/Duelist's Chapeau at maximum for +skill. +Stat for everywhere else.
Meripo or healing situations, focus on MP+ and maybe a healing Torque, along with Errant/Mahatma Bod + legs.
Wise head, pants and gloves may be beneficial in some circumstances, but personally I don't use them.
During Events, if you're /WHM, focus on healing, Slow, Para (switich between MP & MND sets as appropriate) refresh/phalanx II if you're in BLM PT... - unless they actually give you something in particular to do that differs from that. Slow II and Para II help a lot.
/BLM is most likely gonna be for things like Dynamis, maybe Einherjar... Sleepga, Sleep II, Sleep takes priority, other than that, enfeeb mobs, refresh/phalanx II if you're in BLM PT...
If you're in a DD PT, Haste, Refresh(if DRK, BLU, PLD etc) all members...heals, bar-ra spells as needed and so on. >_>
I can go on to DD and tanking sets if you want. >_> I agree with Aledacia on all but the bolded points. Reason 1: Find out who's your main RDM in your shell (if endgame and events) and ask them what their merits are. Whatever your main RDM has, don't merit it for the shell. If you don't have an endgame shell, then merit whatever you want. Go 6/6 spells if you feel like it. Reason 2 (both parts in the same sentence): In merit and healing situations, healing magic skill doesn't really help at all. You will be hitting cap if your MND is up there anyway (and if your healing magic is below 120 when you dinged 75, wtf have you been doing in your parties anyway?) Don't just work on MP+ though. Work on Enmity - also, so that emergancy cure bomb won't land you on the ground face first. Reason 3: No matter what, your sleepga in any situation will suck. If you are in a BLM party, you are not going to sleep shit, except maybe something with a Sleep II (if somebody is stupid enough to have /autoattack on still in events like that). Sleepga II > all. Einherjar = BLMs use ES + Sleepga. Even when I was the only BLM in this one run for Einherjar (which was a pain in the ass, I had to D2 30 people afterwards) I still had a great sleep rate over RDMs and SCHs in the same group. Without ES also (using ES ment that they slept for a lot longer, which ment that they didn't rape me when they woke up afterwards). The time for RDMs to sleep shit is over. BLMs > all. Oh, and another thing. Who ever uses Phalanx II on a BLM? Any BLM worth his/her salt would have /RDM. Let the BLM cast his own Phalanx (saves you MP, and helps them survive on their own). Korpg said: Aledacia said: @Reason #3, I've never had a problem with my sleepgas, but that could be due to 314 Enfeebling Magic & lots of +INT... I've rarely done Dynamis where the BLM's are the ones doing sleepga (or are good at it). =/
@Phalanx thingy - almost always the BLM's I've done events with are /WHM because they're too cheap to buy reraise items.
I do agree with asking your shell's main RDM about their merits. I'm my shell's main RDM at the moment so I didn't even think of that. @_@ Personally I <3 my Phalanx 2, Slow 2, Para 2 and Blind 2 merits...taking out Dia 3 and Bio 3 so I can enhance my enfeebs.
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Earth 2/5, Ice 2/5, Wind 1/5 potencey and 5/5 Convert merits are the way to go if you're doing a wide span of events and soloing.
Taru RDM... may wanna do 4/8 HP and 4/8 MP merits. 8/8 Enfeeb, 8/8 Enhancing. 4/8 Spell Interuption Rate will help too. Strange that your BLMs can't sleep shit. I have my usual setup (i.e. really cheap gear) of Iqira or however you spell it head/legs + AF body just for enfeebs (no torque) and 1/8 enfeeb merits (working on Elemental merits atm, then will do Enfeeb, but....) and I rarely get resists on anything, dynamis/ein-wise. You should yell at your BLMs to buy a RR earring (or not die) and sub RDM. It works wonders... Really cheap gear still gives you about 90% accuracy rate on enfeebs, and merits takes care of the rest. Aledacia said: Yeah its kind of sad actually. A lot of the time at least one of the following things happens, at least in Dynamis shells I've been in;
A. BLM's don't have Sleepga II, usually because they sold it upon getting it.
B. BLM's can't land Sleeps of any kind...
C. BLM's refuse to Sleepga, and say let the RDM's do it, because they don't want to die. (Even if there are off-tanks.)
D. Don't know how to sleep/target something that isn't being pulled. (Gogogo Sleepga 1 the front of the Sandy AH while we're pulling from the East Ronfaure gate. -.-)
I've been in maybe two-three shells where BLM's actually Sleepga -> nuke. Generally, everyone relies on the RDM's to do it.
Thus, I'm thinking of getting Hermes Sandals so I can pull on COR, instead of playing RDM and wanting to /wrists every run. =D Now, there is a lot of info that doesn't count towards BLMs (like RDM merits, but that was why this thread was made) but still, if you can see what the problems lie, then you will realize what we are talking about. So again, please say what you want to say. This is a discussion (and gripe session if you want it to be) of what newb BLMs should know now.
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