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サーバ: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1488
By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2011-01-28 16:03:23
Because you asked people who down rated you to post I will oblige.
I like the status quo on both screenshots and down ratings.
Screenshots: I agree with how open they are, as long as there are no actual laws being broken there shouldn't be a reason to censor.
Down ratings: Instead of feeding forum trolls I just down rate them. All the satisfaction; none of the endless back and forth. In your case I haven't seen you around long enough for me to classify you as a troll. Instead I don't see the merit in explaining my point of view to you considering how often I've seen people actually change their position online.
サーバ: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2595
By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-28 16:11:16
My two cents on the OP:
1. regarding "screenshots":
I tend to agree with the OP, although for different reasons.
It's a "screenshots" function, presumably designed to post ... well screenshots, from FFXI (or FFXIV, I guess).
I don't dislike fan-art, cosplay, or "Facebook" pictures, in general. But do we need these things under the section labeled "screenshots"? Because, well, they aren't screenshots. I'm sure there's fan-art and cosplay display websites out there for those things.
2. regarding rate-downs:
I tend to agree with the OP here, too.
On some websites, if a post/comment receives "X" number of rate-downs, then that post is removed, automatically. In my experience, this only tends to happen if a post is:
However, here @ FFXIAH, it doesn't seem like this applies. A post could receive 100 rate-downs, and there's no consequences (I think?).
So, again, I agree with the OP: what is the point of having the rate-down system here? Would a system like Facebook's system, where one can "Like" a post (or do nothing) be better for FFXIAH?
Fairy.Spence
サーバ: Fairy
Game: FFXI
Posts: 23780
By Fairy.Spence 2011-01-28 16:16:35
Stop trying to change FFXIAH. If you don't like it the way it is, get the *** out.
サーバ: Valefor
Game: FFXI
Posts: 834
By Valefor.Houppelande 2011-01-28 16:17:01
Fenrir.Scragg said: it's mainly there to prevent someone from submitting a penis before I goto bed and wake up with 1000 emails from angry parents. This made me laugh out loud xD
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Bahamut.Dannyl
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1606
By Bahamut.Dannyl 2011-01-28 16:20:06
Caitsith.Jessie said: Odin.Sinharvest said: If that little number in the top right corner makes you afraid of posting, I think you need help. =/ It's not solely that the "number makes me afraid of posting", it's that I really just hate seeing people disagree without explaining why they disagree.
EDIT: And not only that, I also fail to see the benefits of having a rate-down button.
You know whats *** hilarious, i've been browsing this site for months, posting, reading, replying, etc, and never cared to even notice what those small numbers meant untttttttttttttttilllll TODAY. Thus proving that its really meaningless unless you make it a big deal, and you are making a big deal about it.
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サーバ: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2595
By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-28 16:23:30
Fairy.Spence said: Stop trying to change FFXIAH. If you don't like it the way it is, get the *** out.
Spence, this was an unusually asinine statement, coming from you.
Change is part of life, man. Surely, you know this.
When intelligent people make observations, it often causes them to think or analyze those observations. This leads to discussion/suggestions/debate, and sometimes, ultimately, change.
Your "gtfo" argument is childish, and frankly, stupid.
Ramuh.Vinvv
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 15542
By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-28 16:32:14
ALL MUST OBEY THE FUHRER OF CLEAN FORUMS ALTHOUGH HE HAS NO SAY VESTED IN REALITY!!!!
Fairy.Spence
サーバ: Fairy
Game: FFXI
Posts: 23780
By Fairy.Spence 2011-01-28 16:39:26
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Fairy.Spence said: Stop trying to change FFXIAH. If you don't like it the way it is, get the *** out.
Spence, this was an unusually asinine statement, coming from you.
Change is part of life, man. Surely, you know this.
When intelligent people make observations, it often causes them to think or analyze those observations. This leads to discussion/suggestions/debate, and sometimes, ultimately, change.
Your "gtfo" argument is childish, and frankly, stupid.
I don't know why people are rating this down :/ He's right for the most part. Whether or not I say asinine things is up for debate. If anything, it's an example of why ratings should be removed. People rate certain people down regardless of what they have to say.
As far as my stubbornness regarding change, I'm still living in the past in regards to FFXIAH. I miss the time when I first started posting. D:
サーバ: Sylph
Game: FFXI
Posts: 15066
By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-28 16:40:30
Quote: People rate certain people down regardless of what they have to say.
But I love my haters that rate down my every post.
サーバ: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2595
By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-28 16:51:28
Fairy.Spence said:
I don't know why people are rating this down :/ He's right for the most part. Whether or not I say asinine things is up for debate. If anything, it's an example of why ratings should be removed. People rate certain people down regardless of what they have to say.
As far as my stubbornness regarding change, I'm still living in the past in regards to FFXIAH. I miss the time when I first started posting. D:
Well said, Spence. You've redeemed yourself in my mind
:-)
Like it or not, change is inevitable and unwavering, in all walks of life. Many or most people have significant issues with handling change. It's one of humanity's greatest weaknesses. The ability to adapt to one's environment is a crucial element of the natural evolution of species.
And yet, because people generally fear change, humans have halted their own evolution.
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Ramuh.Vinvv
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 15542
By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-28 16:52:39
SPENCE YOU GET THE ELANABELLA AWARD NOW!
he won't even reply to my posts...makes me feel neglected.
Bismarck.Angeleus
サーバ: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2614
By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-01-28 16:53:56
Ramuh.Vinvv said: SPENCE YOU GET THE ELANABELLA AWARD NOW!
he won't even reply to my posts...makes me feel neglected.
He has you block LOL
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Ramuh.Vinvv
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 15542
By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-28 16:54:23
Bismarck.Angeleus said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: SPENCE YOU GET THE ELANABELLA AWARD NOW!
he won't even reply to my posts...makes me feel neglected.
He has you block LOL
he would never do that, he loves me....just not good at admitting it all the time methinks.
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Ramuh.Krizz
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 23561
By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-01-28 17:12:06
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: However, here @ FFXIAH, it doesn't seem like this applies. A post could receive 100 rate-downs, and there's no consequences (I think?). The 'report' option gets our attention more than a post simply rated down. That's mainly because the posts rated down usually don't have anything 'wrong' with them. It's simply the user being disagreed with.
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Phoenix.Darki
サーバ: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9949
By Phoenix.Darki 2011-01-28 17:36:24
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Mods will generally listen to their case (although not necessarily agree) if the OP asks that someone be removed from their thread.
I think for now, that's good enough. I don't want the forums splintering into armed gangs that pre-emptively topic ban everyone from rival gangs.
At that point, you might as well all go make private forums.  lmao that movie was awesome
Regarding the topic I think there have been several threads about wanting to change FFXIAH, a lot of people have noticed the hostile enviorement. I for one have gotten pretty far away, I've never met more hostile people in my life. I do enjoy the discussions here til crap like
trollface.jpg pops up or someone who is butthurt because I didn't send them naked pictures start to be an *** on the forums and the bandwagoners follow so they can be "cool". All very immature and they need to get back into the real world.
Just seems like a bunch of kids to me, but hey theres a couple of people I do enjoy reading, like Jaerik, elana, OP. I like to pop in because I don't really watch tv anymore or news or anything, I'm too busy atm and suddenly I see something here about the apocalypse! and look it up.
Just an example... I guess.
Other than that, I agree with the rate downs they are detrimental, I've seen myself get -2s and -5 for no reason all the time. It's immature, if someone has anything to say to me theres my Inbox so they can vent out how much they hate me instead of hiding behind a number.
The screenshots, I really like the diversity the screenshots here have, I wish we had a more organized gallery to browse through old ones etc, an advanced search button for the SS. I don't mind the content, I can easily as ignore it. I do agree with the fact that people post screenshots to be ***. That's just wrong, but like scragg said, if he don't see porn he's approving it so.
My 2 cents.
Ramuh.Vinvv
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 15542
By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-28 17:38:41
I agree with darki completely on an advanced search function for SS.
Need to have a good way to browse an image database :D
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サーバ: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3351
By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-01-28 17:49:33
I always thought that the rate-downs were a good indicator to the general population's opinion of what was said. Explaining why/why not you agree with something... well, that feature already exists. It's called "Reply." And really, all I am going to do is spend a couple minutes writing some smart-***, sarcastic paragraph, save it and copy paste it anytime I felt the need to rate a post down. I bet I wouldn't be the only one, either.
As far as screenshot moderation goes... after about a dozen threads about, I still don't see what the big deal is. If you share a photo with the community, expect their opinions. If you do not like see people's screenshots, then don't look at them. What's the issue?
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Ramuh.Vinvv
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 15542
By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-28 17:51:43
Fenrir.Terminus said: I always thought that the rate-downs were a good indicator to the general population's opinion of what was said. Explaining why/why not you agree with something... well, that feature already exists. It's called "Reply." And really, all I am going to do is spend a couple minutes writing some smart-***, sarcastic paragraph, save it and copy paste it anytime I felt the need to rate a post down. I bet I wouldn't be the only one, either.
As far as screenshot moderation goes... after about a dozen threads about, I still don't see what the big deal is. If you share a photo with the community, expect their opinions. If you do not like see people's screenshots, then don't look at them. What's the issue? people not getting their way, so there has to be a thread made about it every 2-3 months if not quicker than that.
lots and lots of tears.
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サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 11972
By Ramuh.Laffter 2011-01-28 17:51:52
Fenrir.Terminus said: I always thought that the rate-downs were a good indicator to the general population's opinion of what was said. Explaining why/why not you agree with something... well, that feature already exists. It's called "Reply." And really, all I am going to do is spend a couple minutes writing some smart-***, sarcastic paragraph, save it and copy paste it anytime I felt the need to rate a post down. I bet I wouldn't be the only one, either.
As far as screenshot moderation goes... after about a dozen threads about, I still don't see what the big deal is. If you share a photo with the community, expect their opinions. If you do not like see people's screenshots, then don't look at them. What's the issue? You really think that's the only reason people rate down or up?
Oh look, I rated you down just because I don't know you, and it has nothing to do with liking or not liking what you said.
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Phoenix.Darki
サーバ: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9949
By Phoenix.Darki 2011-01-28 17:51:53
Terminus
You've completely missed OP's point.
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Ramuh.Vinvv
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 15542
By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-28 17:53:33
Meh, they should just add it to the optional content shelf IMO just so nobody uses it and still rates down just like they do with the /block function(for the most part) :D
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Bahamut.Jetackuu
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9001
By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-28 19:43:54
Caitsith.Jessie said: Maybe I'm just because I'm in a bad mood or something today, but I'm finally going to speak my mind about a couple of things on this site. I expect a lot of people are going to gain negative opinions of me after this, but there are two things that I really would like to see changed on this site.
1. Screenshots. It's been brought up on a few occasions, typically people complaining about how much hate WoW-related screenshots get and stuff like that, and a moderator always steps in saying "We allow it so all you haters cut it out". But the question is why do you allow it? I'm sure lots of people like myself are indifferent, but if so many people get so worked-up over it, rating the screenshots 1/10, rating-down positive comments towards the screenshots, and both parties making topics that end up as nothing more than locked flame-wars, then why not just stop it already? It's a problem of leniency, which is obvious in how the screenshot moderators appear to allow pretty much anything bad or otherwise controversial through the filter. I just looked through the recent screenshots and saw an image from Facebook making fun of a guy whose cat just died. That's not humorous, that's horrible taste. That's like the Family Guy joke where Peter makes fun of the little kid crying for his deceased mother taunting, "[name] misses his mo-mmy, [name] misses his mo-mmy!". And there's other screenshots that shouldn't be allowed too. Why are obvious troll images whose sole purpose of being there is to piss people off not removed? Why are screenshots of peoples' equipment with the character's name for the sole purpose of making fun of them not removed? If you're going to moderate screenshots, you seriously shouldn't allow images through whose sole intents are to harm people.
2. Rate-downs. I really just don't like them. Never before have I ever seen a system on a web site that has been so negative without any single benefit. They scare people from making posts, they get under peoples' skin, and they allow people to just go on rampages and just rate everyone down. The point of the rate-ups/rate-downs is to allow people to agree or disagree, but I don't think that's proper forum etiquette if they're not obligated to describe why they disagree. I see no reason to get rid of rate-ups, but rate-downs need to go. I don't know how many times I see a comment I've made that was rated down and ask "Why did someone do that?". It doesn't help anything when people are left there wondering what they may have said wrong. I'd gladly fix my post up or perhaps rebut your argument if you had one presented, but you just hit [-], then all I know is that there's at least one person out there who disagrees with me and I can never know why. There's a reason why only a small handful of forums ever use rate-ups and rate-downs. Forums are about free speech, and writing a huge post just to exit out of the window because I think that someone, somewhere out there might disagree with me is just wrong. If you continue to allow rate-ups, then you can still distinguish between good posts and not-good posts, but rate-downs are just bad to have. As long as people are not obligated to rate up or rate down every single post, the system is broken anyway.
That being said, I expect to have a -30 on this thread before I even come back to check on this thread. But if you're going to rate me down, PLEASE at least give me the courtesy of explaining to me why you disagree.
TL;DR-- If you're going to moderate screenshots, make the filter a little tighter. And rate-downs should simply be removed. Thank you for reading. bolded-opinion
i fail to see why you don't undestand that they really only moderate legaly questionable material and probably gore. as for the rate downs, grow up. there will always be people who dont agree with you for no reason. if you wont speak your mind because you're afraid of what peope may think then you are pathetic and should go find some *** self confidence.
Carbuncle.Axle
サーバ: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 742
By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-01-28 19:55:34
Seriously though, the way ffxiah does screenshots i'm sure a lot of ppl like. I always fish through them for what ppl get or are showing.
Sure WoW off topic pics are w/e, but its not like its the end of the world. ppl are putting these on their char screen. So what does it matter.
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 422
By Ramuh.Lilsanchez 2011-01-28 20:07:41
Isn't there a choice whether people can "rate" your posted image? Seen alot of screen shots where people chose not to have a rating system on the image or even allow comments. I mean if it's that big of a deal then people will accept or not accept the feed back... Why is this such a big deal? Damn
If you're getting angry about seeing pictures where people's goals are just to negatively impact the rep of a certain unfortunate individual, then make haste to leave that image and make no comment. People have a choice whether to let people influence them.
Lakshmi.Jaerik
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サーバ: Lakshmi
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Posts: 3834
By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-01-28 20:34:27
Yes, the poster of the screenshot can choose whether they want to enable ratings or comments.
It's kinda hard for us to get worked up when someone chooses to enable ratings but then doesn't like the ratings they get.
Phoenix.Darki
サーバ: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9949
By Phoenix.Darki 2011-01-28 20:39:12
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Caitsith.Jessie said: Maybe I'm just because I'm in a bad mood or something today, but I'm finally going to speak my mind about a couple of things on this site. I expect a lot of people are going to gain negative opinions of me after this, but there are two things that I really would like to see changed on this site.
1. Screenshots. It's been brought up on a few occasions, typically people complaining about how much hate WoW-related screenshots get and stuff like that, and a moderator always steps in saying "We allow it so all you haters cut it out". But the question is why do you allow it? I'm sure lots of people like myself are indifferent, but if so many people get so worked-up over it, rating the screenshots 1/10, rating-down positive comments towards the screenshots, and both parties making topics that end up as nothing more than locked flame-wars, then why not just stop it already? It's a problem of leniency, which is obvious in how the screenshot moderators appear to allow pretty much anything bad or otherwise controversial through the filter. I just looked through the recent screenshots and saw an image from Facebook making fun of a guy whose cat just died. That's not humorous, that's horrible taste. That's like the Family Guy joke where Peter makes fun of the little kid crying for his deceased mother taunting, "[name] misses his mo-mmy, [name] misses his mo-mmy!". And there's other screenshots that shouldn't be allowed too. Why are obvious troll images whose sole purpose of being there is to piss people off not removed? Why are screenshots of peoples' equipment with the character's name for the sole purpose of making fun of them not removed? If you're going to moderate screenshots, you seriously shouldn't allow images through whose sole intents are to harm people.
2. Rate-downs. I really just don't like them. Never before have I ever seen a system on a web site that has been so negative without any single benefit. They scare people from making posts, they get under peoples' skin, and they allow people to just go on rampages and just rate everyone down. The point of the rate-ups/rate-downs is to allow people to agree or disagree, but I don't think that's proper forum etiquette if they're not obligated to describe why they disagree. I see no reason to get rid of rate-ups, but rate-downs need to go. I don't know how many times I see a comment I've made that was rated down and ask "Why did someone do that?". It doesn't help anything when people are left there wondering what they may have said wrong. I'd gladly fix my post up or perhaps rebut your argument if you had one presented, but you just hit [-], then all I know is that there's at least one person out there who disagrees with me and I can never know why. There's a reason why only a small handful of forums ever use rate-ups and rate-downs. Forums are about free speech, and writing a huge post just to exit out of the window because I think that someone, somewhere out there might disagree with me is just wrong. If you continue to allow rate-ups, then you can still distinguish between good posts and not-good posts, but rate-downs are just bad to have. As long as people are not obligated to rate up or rate down every single post, the system is broken anyway.
That being said, I expect to have a -30 on this thread before I even come back to check on this thread. But if you're going to rate me down, PLEASE at least give me the courtesy of explaining to me why you disagree.
TL;DR-- If you're going to moderate screenshots, make the filter a little tighter. And rate-downs should simply be removed. Thank you for reading. bolded-opinion
i fail to see why you don't undestand that they really only moderate legaly questionable material and probably gore. as for the rate downs, grow up. there will always be people who dont agree with you for no reason. if you wont speak your mind because you're afraid of what peope may think then you are pathetic and should go find some *** self confidence.
Op never stated it wasn't opinion, whats wrong with opinions again? even your post is an opinion.
and like OP said:
"Forums are about free speech"
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Gilgamesh.Alyria
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2011-01-28 21:32:54
サーバ: Ifrit
Game: FFXI
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-28 21:34:10
Gilgamesh.Alyria said: OMG, not this horse ***again... I totally agree.
Leviathan.Chaosx
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 20284
By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-28 21:35:37
This seems like a QQ thread, not reading any of it, but it reminded me of an idea I had last night.
For picture ratings, have the ratings hidden unless you vote. Like only display the ratings once you have cast your vote.
Just an idea.
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Lakshmi.Galvaya
サーバ: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1489
By Lakshmi.Galvaya 2011-01-28 21:40:46
Can the QQ come to an end, and start reposting funny gang pictures again?

Gas house barbershop quartette gang !
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