Charged Whisker

Well after various testing I don't believe a second that poeple hit 5000+ on Charged Whisker, which I heard/read...
I may be missing something, somewhere, but
Jupiter's, capped blue magic fully merited, MAB+21 + rest DEX & INT, Minikin/Lion/B.Horn, Fantod/Memento ... 2500 on detectors in Misareaux
I def don't believe that something I don't do right can double that amount, lol.
Any idea?

burst affinity if you're not using it, and ultimate over minikin would do more damage. there have been lots of sets posted in the thread already.

No idea, all of my testing was before the potency of DEX was fully realised (by me, anyway), but even still, the difference in my numbers compared to other people's numbers seemed just way too big. I think the most I've done is like, 4.5k or something?

I'd personally keep Minikin and use Ultimate over lion or blinding horn (can't remember now). The damage difference shouldn't be much lower, and I know you'll get sooo many restore chests, but I still just prefer to have that 10mp refresh. The 50 INT doesn't hurt either though.

Waitwhat?
50 MAB vs 50 INT >_>;
Actually, Ultimate over MM does make a huge difference and should be always prefered if you want to cleave fast and kill things in 2 spells and the situation allows it.

More often then not, you also get to camps with lvl'ed mobs and even with the 3 best atmas it sometimes takes 3 spells and more to kill those. It also depends on what mobs you are doing anyway, detectors and EP mobs usually can be 2-shotted even with MM.

Still, personal preference

It's funny that you attacked me in the other thread for not reading posts properly considering that reply.

No idea what you're trying to say.
I merely invalidated your comment thatwhich just isn't true.

Furthermore, I supported the fact that it'sas an answer to what you said:
Maybe you need glasses or you just don't comprehend the words you are reading.

@ Grandthief

Please read posts carefully before you start trolling.

He never said he would use MM over Ultimate.

Yea, I just found my mistake. I deeply apologize, Blazza.
Didn't mean to troll or to attack you, I just read it wrong.

Guess I'm the one who needs new glasses, after all.

Sorry, honestly.

I lol'd.

It can be done and there are multiple factors that could be the result. First, Ultimate, Lion, Blinding Horn is really the only thing you should be using unless you are not trying to kill all the mobs at once or have such good gear and confidence that you can 1 shot the mobs without a problem. I would love to be able to use MM but it does severely cut into your damage.

MM gives an additional 396 damage
Lion OR B.Horn gives an additional 1063 or 2123 combined
Ultimate gives and additional 1317

I get these numbers from the .xml sheet I found over on BG and it's tailored to my gear but should be relatively proportional to what you should see. MM is practically a third of what you get from B.Horn or Lion.

You may be sitting here thinking "But what about my mp" and the answer is pull more mobs. Once your azure is caped, and it's a bit of a struggle till then, you'll be getting enough blue boxes to sustain yourself with temps and 2hrs and if you're not... pull more mobs you get more boxes. You want to be at a situation where your CW does so much damage that the only thing left standing are mobs that resisted you, and there are sometimes 1 or 2, and you kill those with Whirl or Thermal Pulse, though TP isn't necessary to even set if you have a good CW build.

Now there are some tips and concerns to understand

1. Mobs can start out at a high level and they hit harder and resist more untill you start killing them when their name is white. If you want to level up mobs you kill them with red names which requires ppl in your party claiming them, this is good for exp. If you want to level down the mobs you kill them with white names meaning only 1 mob is red and you've pulled about 20 this will make the puller's life easier and yours as well. For the first few pulls only get 5-10 mobs if you notice they're really hard, it should get easier as the mobs level down. Also note that you only get light from claimed mobs so it will be hard to level up azure. This is also a good bit of advice for the dude in your pt that keeps getting you ruby light. Tell him to WS unclaimed mobs, but this is off topic.

2. You do more damage in Altepa/Grauberg/Ulegrand, less damage in Attowah/Misereaux/Vunkerl and considerably less in Tahrogni/LaTheine/Konschtat. This means if you're starting out try to go to Ulegrand Altepa or Grauberg. You get a larger benefit from people doing dominion ops and bastion which results in stat boosts. Detectors in Ulegrand would be my advice and getting into a party to test out your set is always a good way to play with it.

3. You need good gear, sorry, you just do. Mab>Dex>Int you'll find, if you come to play with the numbers, that 2mab is equal to about 2.2 Dex and about 6 Int under burst affinity. Without BA 1 MAB is about equal to 2 DEX so favor MAB over DEX in your gear but if you can get 3 or 4 DEX for 2 MAB then it wouldn't be a bad trade off.

4. Some mobs are resistant to thunder and some mobs have a bonus against the courel family. These mobs are A-holes.

Additionally the steps for a clean CW burn should look something like this...

1. Buff up (Aquaveil, Phalanx, T.Taco, SS, Cocoon, Ice Spikes, Occulation)
2. Pull Mobs
3. Sleep Mobs (if you have fewer mobs you can whirl b4, but for large pulls it's better to just sleep them first, you might lose Aquaveil if you cast too much stuff b4 sleeping)
4. Use Ascetics tonic if the effect is not up
4(b). Start to stack Fantoid(This is optional and more for Epeen I find it takes too much time and isn't worth it)
5. Chain Affinity, Efflux, Azure Lore (you'll get 2hr boxes, drop efflux and Azure Lore if you didn't find one)
6(a). Use Memento Mori if you don't have an Ascetic's Tonic
6. Enervation (You can use Soundblast before enervation but it doesn't help too much)
7. Burst Affinity (always comes AFTER sound blast and/or enervation)
8. Charged Whiskers
9. Whirl of rage (Keep in mind you are on a timer but CA and Efflux shouldn't have worn off unless you took forever casting Enervation. If you're a slow poke you may want to hold Efflux and CA for now but keep in mind you may have just woken up 30 mobs)
10. Sleep and repeat but everything should be dead

Hopefully this should help you identify what's wrong and maybe you're missing an important step like using Burst Affinity after enervation or something which is what I have occasionally done before.

This is very dependent on your gear, which you said, but I found that adding B.Horn on top of Lion was giving me almost no advantage at all. I did a fair bit of testing with it, using no atma at all, using one or the other, and using both, and adding in the second one made *** all difference. That's another reason I use just one of the lightning+ atma and MM/Ultimate, instead of 2xlightning/ultimate.

The other thing here, is that if you take those numbers as gospel, you see that it comes down to ~700 damage difference (ignoring the fact that the damage bonus from one can't be calculated in isolation of your other atma buffs). Which isn't that much, and comes down to whether or not you can one shot them. If you can one-shot the mobs with 2xlightning/ultimate, then it makes things a lot easier, however if you're coming up just short (or just short of another WoR finishing them all off) then there's really no reason to keep that second lightning atma, and may as well swap in MM.

ftfy

Definitely agree here. The other issue is that it has to be the absolute last thing you cast before CW, and sound blast, enervation and Memento Mori (assuming you had no ascetic's) all have fairly short durations.

The things I've picked out aren't really major, and this is actually pretty good guide in general. The main thing I do differently is after the initial pull. A lot of areas you'll end up with quite a gap between the first and last mob chasing you, and may have to just stand there and wait for them all to catch up to you while the first ones beat on you. You can do a bit of a loop/double back, but the end result is still the same. In that little bit of breathing time, I use Efflux/CA there and always start with whirl of rage > dream flower. WoR casts faster and it's pretty rare that things wake up before DF finishes casting, in which case aquaveil saves my *** anyway. DF has a great duration, so there's plenty of time (especially if you don't have top gear, you're fighting leveled up mobs, are new to it or just generally suck) to cure and buff yourself back up if required. I'd strongly suggest re-applying stoneskin/phalanx/cocoon/aquaveil if you're new to it before going ahead with the next step.

Anyway, not saying my differences are better or worse than yours. Just a slight variation.

I swear half of the bees in la theine are crippled.

Well, I went out and did some testing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Here were my findings.

All mobs were DC Adasaurus (Raptors) in ulegrand range. I picked these because noone was fighting them. I started the test on windsday to make sure there were no conflicts due to that. I did not use ascetics tonic or memento mori.

Blinding Horn/Ultimate/Lion: 6265Avg
Ultimate/Lion/(none): 5090Avg
Ultimate/Lion/Minikin: 5455Avg

I'm not sure what happened when you tested it though I'd be interesting to see if you got similar numbers.

I actually still managed to 1 shot the mobs with MM instead of BH but for those out there having problems, my point was they might find more success cutting MM and picking up BH. Most mobs seem to have either 5k or 6k hp so those are really the numbers you want to focus on. The raptors out there only had 5k so the ulti/lion/mm still killed them but i recall meeting a few mobs that had 6k in other zones.

pffh well I thought it was funny

The 6 per tick from my idle set with Battery Charge is more than enough to support AoE burning at a fast rate. :| and more than likely if you are to use Ultimate, you have a much higher chance of 1-shotting common AoE burn mobs.

I'm not arguing against blinding horn/lion/ultimate, and I didn't mean for you to go do testing Galith, I was just saying what I found. I'll admit, I was pretty confused about my results at the time since everyone was saying how good it was and it didn't seem to do ***for me.

Aeronis, yeah, my idle set is pretty shitty too, only 3mp from gear +w/e battery charge is, but eh, I can overtake my refresh pretty easily really. I guess I just like having stupid amounts of refresh rather than need it.

/shrug

You've all paid me too much attention already, I haven't even played in 6 months lol, was just trying to offer alternatives.

I currently use Rajas and a Demon's ring with MaB+2 / Magit Crit hit+2. Should I swap out the demon's ring for a Dex ring intead?

I would swap rajas for a dex ring instead. I use Demon's ring with MAB+3/Thundersoul

While it would be better, there is something to be said about being effiecient with space. I use a Rajas/Jupiter combo personally, and it works fine. If you want to go 100% balls to the walls, awesome, but some things just aren't worth the few extra damage when I already one-shot mobs.

Fasho. And I'm never against some inventory saving ^^;

hate to necro post but i didn't see the point in making a new thread

im currently working on my CW set and was wondering is AF1 best for the +15 Blue Magic skill over Loki's DEX+11?


my current set mind giving me some gear ideas

Try getting a Hecate's Earring if you can instead of using that DEX Earring and a Thunder Satchet instead of that Tathlum.

Maybe even a DEX Ring instead of an INT one, or if you're really ambitious, try getting a MAB+3/Magic Crit+3 augmented demon ring from [A]Tahrongi if you don't want to dish out money for a DEX Ring.

Is there a point in MAB that teal body will overly outperform lokis?



I have MAB+6 Augs on blood's, would the extra MAB from teal push my damage up or is loki's goign to be on top? Havent had the chance to go really test each yet.

my set started out with teal was doing around 2-2.5k swaped it for loki's and im doing 3-4k+ without Blinding horn or lion

If you have Mavi legs +2 I they will outperform both the teal and blood cuisses. 8 DEX will trump 5 INT/3MAB or 6 MAB handily, assuming you are under Burst Affinity.


As for this, I use my Rajas, and then I quested a 6 DEX ring in Aby-Attowah. Quest was pretty simple:

An Acrididaen Anodyne

another thing i been living in atto cleavin up chigoes are their any other cleave spots in other aby zones?

Really? Damn, I was hoping that the 6 MAB would beat the 8 dex, but i have the day off so i guess i can go do some tests, just to solidify your statement.

Under Burst affinity it takes 2 INT to equal each 1 DEX, so its tough to beat 8 DEX in a slot.


If it doesn't cast, and either aggros or links, it is AoE farmable fro the most part. Some mobs don't follow well, so you cant get a huge train going, but can still round up a bunch.

i see

so could replacing MM with RR yield better results?

Lion/Blinding Horn/Ultimate for CW Atmas.