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Wikileaks and Anonymous
By Artemicion 2010-12-08 21:42:07
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Artemicion said: Shiva.Flionheart said: We're not actually allowed to openly discuss this at college.
I know this information was supposed to keep a closed lid to begin with but to begin censoring people on every social circle is not only futile, but downright ridiculous. censorship as blatant as that in a place of "higher learning" i think would incite people to rise up against that kind of BS too lol.
i'm fine with affiliates of US Gov't wanting to keep their mouth zipped, but doing it to students seems a bit silly, even more so over the pond lol.
Aye, it'd be one thing to make a spectacle of yourself and make signs and use a megaphone to large crowds of people, but to simply discuss contemporary issues going on right now with your peers is nothing to warrant censorship or any other form of enforcement.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-08 21:42:25
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: I might start to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but here is what I think this is leading towards.
Anyone who has actually ever read the cables will tell anyone that the information contained in them is common knowledge, could easily be deduced, etc.
Yes, there is certainly the legal matter of said information was obtained. Yes, people are bringing up questions about a site like this.
Ultimately though I'm starting to believe that this whole mess is going to be presented as evidence towards regulation of internet legislation and more immediately be used to push this: Officials Push to Bolster Law on Wiretapping
FCC meets on Dec. 21rst and will undoubtedly mention this (Wikileaks) issue.
i'd lol if a good deal of it got released that day during their meeting. Think about my above post and take into consideration that Wikileaks has been around for awhile now and released lots of other stuff (like Iraq & Afghanistan wars).
If those leaks really comprised the security of U.S. forces overseas, why only now go after them with these seemingly snooze fest of a releases?
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-12-08 21:43:37
Leviathan.Chaosx said: If those leaks really comprised the security of U.S. forces overseas, why only now with these seemingly snooze fest of a releases now?
The current releases are personally embarrassing to important people.
The previous ones were arguably just embarrassing to generic institutions and the war effort in general.
Artemicion said: Aye, it'd be one thing to make a spectacle of yourself and make signs and use a megaphone to large crowds of people, but to simply discuss contemporary issues going on right now with your peers is nothing to warrant censorship or any other form of enforcement. You'd think, but after 9/11 we willingly extended pretty sweeping powers to the government in the name of national security. We told them they could shut us up pretty much however they see fit.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-08 21:44:09
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Shiva.Flionheart said: We're not actually allowed to openly discuss this at college. what will they do to you if you do? The High Inquisitor will issue an Educational Decree, right Flion? you are just reading some lines from harry potter now aren't you?
:p
but then again it might be easier to silence people over the pond as well...I dunno.
yes over the pond is my favorite way to describe European nations.
It's not at all, there's a protest about it going on currently with some professors actually joining in. I'm not because I need to learn my *** >.>
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-12-08 21:48:35
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Shiva.Flionheart said: We're not actually allowed to openly discuss this at college. what will they do to you if you do? The High Inquisitor will issue an Educational Decree, right Flion? you are just reading some lines from harry potter now aren't you?
:p Reading, sir?
I'll have you know my love for the series warrants the uncanny ability to draw ideological connections between Harry Potter and censorship scandals.
Shiva.Flionheart said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: then again it might be easier to silence people over the pond as well...I dunno.
yes over the pond is my favorite way to describe European nations.
It's not at all, there's a protest about it going on currently with some professors actually joining in. I'm not because I need to learn my *** >.> They'll be given lines: "I MUST NOT TELL LIES."
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-08 21:49:10
Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Shiva.Flionheart said: We're not actually allowed to openly discuss this at college. what will they do to you if you do? The High Inquisitor will issue an Educational Decree, right Flion? you are just reading some lines from harry potter now aren't you?
:p Reading, sir?
I'll have you know my love for the series warrants the uncanny ability to draw ideological connections between Harry Potter and censorship scandals.
It's the first thing I thought of, then the fact that I wanted a hot Luna lovegood waifu.
By Luz 2010-12-08 21:50:32
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: I might start to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but here is what I think this is leading towards.
Anyone who has actually ever read the cables will tell anyone that the information contained in them is common knowledge, could easily be deduced, etc.
Yes, there is certainly the legal matter of said information was obtained. Yes, people are bringing up questions about a site like this.
Ultimately though I'm starting to believe that this whole mess is going to be presented as evidence towards regulation of internet legislation and more immediately be used to push this: Officials Push to Bolster Law on Wiretapping
FCC meets on Dec. 21rst and will undoubtedly mention this (Wikileaks) issue.
i'd lol if a good deal of it got released that day during their meeting. Think about my above post and take into consideration that Wikileaks has been around for awhile now and released lots of other stuff (like Iraq & Afghanistan wars).
If those leaks really comprised the security of U.S. forces overseas, why only now go after them with these seemingly snooze fest of a releases?
I covered part of that in an earlier post :( Also it's not just European colleges telling students not to read/discuss the content. It's here too.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-12-08 21:51:19
Shiva.Flionheart said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Shiva.Flionheart said: We're not actually allowed to openly discuss this at college. what will they do to you if you do? The High Inquisitor will issue an Educational Decree, right Flion? you are just reading some lines from harry potter now aren't you?
:p Reading, sir?
I'll have you know my love for the series warrants the uncanny ability to draw ideological connections between Harry Potter and censorship scandals.
It's the first thing I thought of, then the fact that I wanted a hot Luna lovegood waifu. Oh, my. Might get a chance to have a threesome with a Blibbering Humdinger, too.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-08 21:52:47
Ragnarok.Anye said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Shiva.Flionheart said: We're not actually allowed to openly discuss this at college. what will they do to you if you do? The High Inquisitor will issue an Educational Decree, right Flion? you are just reading some lines from harry potter now aren't you?
:p Reading, sir?
I'll have you know my love for the series warrants the uncanny ability to draw ideological connections between Harry Potter and censorship scandals.
It's the first thing I thought of, then the fact that I wanted a hot Luna lovegood waifu. Oh, my. Might get a chance to have a threesome with a Blibbering Humdinger, too.
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggg
But yeah, I was talking about the Quibbler when we were 'told' not to talk about it but none of my friends got it :(
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-08 21:53:28
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: If those leaks really comprised the security of U.S. forces overseas, why only now with these seemingly snooze fest of a releases now?
The previous ones were arguably just embarrassing to generic institutions and the war effort in general.
Artemicion said: Aye, it'd be one thing to make a spectacle of yourself and make signs and use a megaphone to large crowds of people, but to simply discuss contemporary issues going on right now with your peers is nothing to warrant censorship or any other form of enforcement. You'd think, but after 9/11 we willingly extended pretty sweeping powers to the government in the name of national security. We told them they could shut us up pretty much however they see fit. Undoubtedly why I think the government is testing it's ability to control the internet and for the upcoming sessions.
Any problems they are accumulating now will most likely be addressed imo.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-08 21:54:53
Luz said:
I covered part of that in an earlier post :( Also it's not just European colleges telling students not to read/discuss the content. It's here too.
I didn't see it, point me towards it.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-12-08 21:57:47
Shiva.Flionheart said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Shiva.Flionheart said: We're not actually allowed to openly discuss this at college. what will they do to you if you do? The High Inquisitor will issue an Educational Decree, right Flion? you are just reading some lines from harry potter now aren't you?
:p Reading, sir?
I'll have you know my love for the series warrants the uncanny ability to draw ideological connections between Harry Potter and censorship scandals.
It's the first thing I thought of, then the fact that I wanted a hot Luna lovegood waifu. Oh, my. Might get a chance to have a threesome with a Blibbering Humdinger, too.
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggg
But yeah, I was talking about the Quibbler when we were 'told' not to talk about it but none of my friends got it :(
:(
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By Kujata.Segaia 2010-12-09 01:26:35
Luz said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: I might start to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but here is what I think this is leading towards.
Anyone who has actually ever read the cables will tell anyone that the information contained in them is common knowledge, could easily be deduced, etc.
Yes, there is certainly the legal matter of said information was obtained. Yes, people are bringing up questions about a site like this.
Ultimately though I'm starting to believe that this whole mess is going to be presented as evidence towards regulation of internet legislation and more immediately be used to push this: Officials Push to Bolster Law on Wiretapping
FCC meets on Dec. 21rst and will undoubtedly mention this (Wikileaks) issue.
i'd lol if a good deal of it got released that day during their meeting. Think about my above post and take into consideration that Wikileaks has been around for awhile now and released lots of other stuff (like Iraq & Afghanistan wars).
If those leaks really comprised the security of U.S. forces overseas, why only now go after them with these seemingly snooze fest of a releases?
I covered part of that in an earlier post :( Also it's not just European colleges telling students not to read/discuss the content. It's here too.
Tbh it's actually the other way around. Currently it's a nice hottopic here to discuss about and thats not only where i am. Noone tells us to actually stfu instead it became a nice filler if the lesson is out of content ;P
Well... that goes for Germany.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-09 02:24:16
Makes me wonder how high school teachers in the U.S. have to take this. State schools as well for the matter.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-09 03:14:01
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Makes me wonder how high school teachers in the U.S. have to take this. State schools as well for the matter.
I don't remember high school kids taking that much of an interest in politics tbh.
Seems like only a problem for colleges and whatnot.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-09 09:08:07
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Makes me wonder how high school teachers in the U.S. have to take this. State schools as well for the matter.
I don't remember high school kids taking that much of an interest in politics tbh.
Seems like only a problem for colleges and whatnot.
you obviously have been going to some pretty shitty HS's then.
i was in the AP classes that i know would be full of people talking about that ***.
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2010-12-09 09:16:38
My high school history class was a joke. All the tests were multi choice.
Who was the first president of the US?
A. Homer Simpson
B. Babe Ruth
C. George Washington
D. Albert Einstein
and people still failed.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-09 09:20:46
Asura.Bartimaeus said: It's probably more of a person by person thing, rather than a highschool by highschool thing?
But whatever. lol
yup
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By Cerberus.Nostylin 2010-12-09 09:22:29
its time they evolve ....like a pokemon.. >>
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2010-12-09 15:57:50
Asura.Catastrophe said: ***, I'm old. :P
I can relate....
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-09 15:59:18
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Makes me wonder how high school teachers in the U.S. have to take this. State schools as well for the matter.
I don't remember high school kids taking that much of an interest in politics tbh.
Seems like only a problem for colleges and whatnot.
you obviously have been going to some pretty shitty HS's then.
i was in the AP classes that i know would be full of people talking about that ***. Being the key phrase here.
Most people in HS aren't in those classes, lol.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-09 16:01:07
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Makes me wonder how high school teachers in the U.S. have to take this. State schools as well for the matter.
I don't remember high school kids taking that much of an interest in politics tbh.
Seems like only a problem for colleges and whatnot.
you obviously have been going to some pretty shitty HS's then.
i was in the AP classes that i know would be full of people talking about that ***. Being the key phrase here.
Most people in HS aren't in those classes, lol.
my school had like 10 valedictorians...
>.>
<.<
and actually I'm pretty sure my good teachers would have/is discussing stuff about it...maybe not the fine details but possibly some of the cursory stuff.
and of course most people in HS aren't in AP classes.
but I said teachers in the first place.
I'm pretty sure a few of mine would have had a pretty in depth discussion about it.
and they taught both AP and otherwise.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-09 16:02:47
My high school had political classes but I never attended because it was basically painting a gigantic "Beat the ***out of me" sign on my back.
I just pursued it with friends out of school.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-09 16:07:04
The closest we got was having mock elections (presidential) in which most people just checked a random candidate.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-09 16:30:14
Leviathan.Chaosx said: The closest we got was having mock elections (presidential) in which most people just checked a random candidate.
we had a mock trial team that wins state competitions pretty regularly.
i think it really just depends where you are located in the country for that stuff.
I bet half the stuff I had when I was in school was cut by now anyway lol.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-09 16:31:35
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: The closest we got was having mock elections (presidential) in which most people just checked a random candidate.
we had a mock trial team that wins state competitions pretty regularly.
i think it really just depends where you are located in the country for that stuff.
I bet half the stuff I had when I was in school was cut by now anyway lol.very true lol
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