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I firmly believe in nothing, short of what can be proven to me, to do otherwise would be irrational.

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I didn't ask you what you firmly believe in.
I'm asking you why you believe what you believe as opposed to what you believe to be "irrational thinking and ignorance", what leads you to determine what is irrational and ignorant if you say you have no belief?

care to elaborate further maybe a bit more specifically on religion.
like say why you don't believe in religion, and then say why you do believe in the lack there-of?
Make a bit more sense what I'm asking?

Did you know sitting down while drinking and eating is healthier for the human body?

The Quran told us this about 1,500 years ago, but science told us this in the 1930s; which is better, if either is?

It's supposed to, it's an exception.


I don't believe in atheism, it's not a belief it's a lack of belief, if you need that explained to you then you need more help than I can offer.

1.something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2.
confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
3.
confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.
4.
a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.

Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god, nothing more. It doesn't offer solutions or anything else for that matter.


Atheism isn't a religion you cannot convert to it, why are you treating it as one?

Science offers solutions, but can back them up, religion can't back up their claims, which is the logical approach? People don't like that science can't give them all the answers they want or the ones they want to hear so they ignore it, which is "blissful ignorance"

do you know what the word belief means?
belief:

my questions still stand.

atheist is an opposite.
meaning you have to have a reason to oppose.
and if you are not smart enough to explain your beliefs you are no better than the illogical ones you defame.

Ok.

Because Atheism is a belief set. Or lack thereof (because I know some atheists get offended when people say they have beliefs).

I feel that science and religion can co-exist. I.e. Divine power created Big-Bang. Also science and logic don't always coexist. Where did the Big-Bang come from? Nowhere? Totally logical. Or maybe you believe that the universe constantly retracts and expands and that the big-bang has happened multiple times. When/how/where did the universe come into existence? I think it is quite logical to infer instead that the universe just popped into existence one day that some superlogical thing such as a Divine power (or God) created it. If you have a much more logical answer or hypothesis please share.

A lack of belief doesn't equate to a belief, again if you need that explained to you further than you need to seek it elsewhere.

People are born as atheists, I was converted to a denomination of christianity, I lost that "faith" because it made no *** sense, and because it's illogical to live in a world based upon faith It's illogical for me to replace the faith/belief.

Now as to why I believe that people are *** nuts to believe in religion, we've gone over that numerous times now haven't we?

I don't get how you can keep dodging questions and just end up saying other people are ignorant and irrational if they don't agree with you, but yet you're afraid to learn about yourself?

How can you say that when you don't even believe what you say?

How can you say that when you don't even believe what you say?

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none of this happened, you believe it happen and you have no proof otherwise.

I think it is quite logical to infer instead that the universe just popped into existence one day that some superlogical thing such as a Divine power (or God) created it. If you have a much more logical answer or hypothesis please share.

you mean murder, corruption, rape, pillaging, eternal suffering?

The bible's sitting on my shelf and receipts from bible camp say otherwise.

Yes, religion does make you accept and deny certain things, but so does science; accepting and comparing the both is better imo.

This is pretty much why religion started in the first place.. People struggle to understand the world around them, but have not the scientific progress to do so, so they attribute it to some divine presence..

Just because we cannot provide the answers at this time, doesn't mean there isn't one.

Of course, there's always the chance that there is indeed a God, and that it is the creator of everything we know today, then again, it's also possible in the future we will make bounds and leaps ahead in science than what we're at now, and we will be able to answer how everything started, we might be able to explain away everything, without having to involve some all-powerful deity.

I am Agnostic, but often claim to be Atheist, I don't discount the possibility of there being some all-powerful being/consciousness, but I very highly doubt it, so that's why I tend to call myself Atheist, even though, technically I am indeed Agnostic.

How do you know they came from bible camp?
Your memories right?
Illogical.
Hell how do you know if that the bible is really there.
You are just depending on the reliability of your senses.
You have a "belief" that they are correct.

In the realm we live in, it is, it's the very concept of reality.

This is pretty much why religion started in the first place.. People struggle to understand the world around them, but have not the scientific progress to do so, so they attribute it to some divine presence..

Just because we cannot provide the answers at this time, doesn't mean there isn't one.

Of course, there's always the chance that there is indeed a God, and that it is the creator of everything we know today, then again, it's also possible in the future we will make bounds and leaps ahead in science than what we're at now, and we will be able to answer how everything started, we might be able to explain away everything, without having to involve some all-powerful deity.

I am Agnostic, but often claim to be Atheist, I don't discount the possibility of there being some all-powerful being/consciousness, but I very highly doubt it, so that's why I tend to call myself Atheist, even though, technically I am indeed Agnostic.

Illogical.

How?

I don't believe that we will ever be able to explain the creation of the universe. Also, a divine power doesn't have to be all-powerful or omnipresent, but I definitely respect your opinion and can relate to it.

I said "everything Christianity is supposed to stand for," not "what the Catholic church has done."

I stated what it stands for, read the damned bible.

Honestly, I've been reading your posts for months now and I've never seen you correctly state anything about Christian doctrine or accurately interpret a biblical passage. You've regurgitated misunderstandings and posted out-of-context verses over and over and over and over and over and--

Prove it

Outside of "eternal suffering," everything on your list is just stuff that people do. (By the way: the idea of what exactly "Hell" is, or if it even exists, is a highly debated point in Christianity.)

It's in the bible

Lust, greed, and egocentrism will not cease to exist if science ruled the world. Thus, all of your hate of religion is pointless because humans are human and will continue murdering, raping, pillaging, and being corrupt for as long as that's the case.

Pay attention to the thread a little more, this has already been addressed.

You're wrong when you say that religious thought necessarily rejects rational or scientific thought. There are camps of religious people who prey on the uneducated and force that kind of garbage down people's throats. That's who you don't like. But that is not the basis of religion. At it's core, religion is about better understanding the world; science and logic aid in that process.

If you need that explained to you then you need more help than I can offer.

If you don't have a belief in a god, you are by definition an atheist, regardless of any other section you put yourself in.