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Religion is not the root of all evil...
Fairy.Spence
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-10-21 23:15:52
Phoenix.Darki said: why did i bother opening this thread....
Because you post in every thread :)
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Bahamut.Aeronis
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-21 23:15:55
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Leviathan.Hastefeet said: i dont really believe in god and i dont really like religion (ive had bad past experiences with religious people) and i find these threads rather annoying lol I only like the crazy threads. This one seems rather tame. Bahamut.Aeronis said: Government order actually makes sense though, it's rules created by people who claim they made it, whereas religious order is rules created by people who claim it was some guy in the sky who told them how to do things. I'm not talking about making sense. I'm just saying in theory we could do without government and keep religion. When talking about religion making sense kinda goes out the door. Well theory doesn't help US now, does it? ;)
Phoenix.Darki said: why did i bother opening this thread.... Too many big words?
Bahamut.Aeronis
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-21 23:19:07
Also, would like to add here that if religion was rebeled against for government, do you believe that government will create anarchist countries in the future?
Edit: Wait, I'm not thinking, that wouldn't make sense at all.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-10-21 23:21:38
Bahamut.Aeronis said: Also, would like to add here that if religion was rebeled against for government, do you believe that government will create anarchist countries in the future?
Edit: Wait, I'm not thinking, that wouldn't make sense at all. Now you're getting it! :D I think...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-10-21 23:22:06
Phoenix.Darki said: why did i bother opening this thread....
Cause you're stalking me!!!
BUSTED!
Bahamut.Aeronis
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-21 23:27:51
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Also, would like to add here that if religion was rebeled against for government, do you believe that government will create anarchist countries in the future? Edit: Wait, I'm not thinking, that wouldn't make sense at all. Now you're getting it! :D I think... Well I was just going to say Religion > Government > Anarchy > World Destruction, but you can't really create an anarchist country... you would have to take over a country, make a dictatorship, and once the people gain your respect, announce the country is now an anarchy (At this point, you would probably be dead, due to everyone wanting to kill you, and now having the ability to do so.) This sounds time-consuming.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-10-21 23:28:50
Bahamut.Aeronis said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Also, would like to add here that if religion was rebeled against for government, do you believe that government will create anarchist countries in the future? Edit: Wait, I'm not thinking, that wouldn't make sense at all. Now you're getting it! :D I think... Well I was just going to say Religion > Government > Anarchy > World Destruction, but you can't really create an anarchist country... you would have to take over a country, make a dictatorship, and once the people gain your respect, announce the country is now an anarchy. This sounds time-consuming. I got some spare time. Let's try it out.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-21 23:30:36
Bahamut.Aeronis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Government order actually makes sense though, it's rules created by people who claim they made it, whereas religious order is rules created by people who claim it was some guy in the sky who told them how to do things. but what better way to control a large amount of stupid people than to say they will be subject to divine punishment if they don't listen, rather than say /wristslap, fine Obviously, that's how Government itself was created, people rebeled against the church.
Edit: That was a little inaccurate, it wasn't created by the rebelion, it just created a country that was outspoken of their non-religion controlled government not entirely sure, but I'll have to go with I'm pretty sure that governments existed long before religions, and quite possibly secular governments existed in religious regions before church-states, but I don't feel like doing the research to find out.
Bahamut.Aeronis
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-21 23:30:37
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Also, would like to add here that if religion was rebeled against for government, do you believe that government will create anarchist countries in the future? Edit: Wait, I'm not thinking, that wouldn't make sense at all. Now you're getting it! :D I think... Well I was just going to say Religion > Government > Anarchy > World Destruction, but you can't really create an anarchist country... you would have to take over a country, make a dictatorship, and once the people gain your respect, announce the country is now an anarchy. This sounds time-consuming. I got some spare time. Let's try it out. Operation United States of Anarchists a go-go? -puts on cool shades-
Root of all evil?! Religion is obviously not the root of all evil. Such statement is ridiculous and as a matter of fact, close to nothing in this universe is the exclusive root of anything in particular. I’ve often come across this saying in my discussions about what religion does to people, why it bothers many of us who don’t believe any of it and most importantly, how we can accelerate its slow but steady demise (at least in the western world). So we know how diverse religions can be. They can't all possibly have been created with evil intentions. But organized religion makes evil (and quite a few times good too...) very easy to spread and cultivate since it tells people that truth does not need to be backed by concrete, logical facts to be true. It doesn't incite people to put themselves and their beliefs back into question. It's a lot of mostly unprovable statements presented as solid facts (sometimes fallaciously claimed to be proven) since your birthday. You're used to it because it's been artificially made part of your reality.
Doubt, in most successful religions, is considered a mere moment of weakness... when in reality, it has consistently shown to be the very basis of wisdom. Faith allows people who don't know all the answers to think that they do. It is usually not a choice you make, since you get labeled with it from the day you're born. As absurd as it can be when we stop to ponder over it, we’ve generally become accustomed to such words as “Christian child”, “Muslim child”, etc. This labeling allows wars to continue over centuries, simply because atheist babies were unknowingly assigned an opinion about existential bullshit they probably shouldn't have had to care about until 20.
Unless you're lucky enough to be confronted with many conflicting ideas as a teenager, and develop some critical thinking abilities by yourself, chances are you'll just spend the rest of your life, babbling logical fallacies one after another, unable to acknowledge even the most logically demonstrable arguments. You’ll prefer to dismiss facts when they make you uncomfortable. Greek philosophy probably wasn't your favorite subject in college. Aristotle is not your homeboy; Jesus (who says if you don't accept him you'll die and by the way he loves you) is.
Root of all evil? Not really... But it is often used on people as a tool for spreading it. I’m sure you can think of many examples from your own beliefs, whether they be religious beliefs or not, when you have acted irrationally, because of things you had learned but never thought about. Realizing this later, you came to the conclusion that your old point of view (most likely the one you were taught as a child) needed to be adjusted to the modern world you live in. That's called critical thinking. Congratulations if so. See? You can do it too!
You know what... Religion will not die tomorrow, it just doesn't need to die now. Just as much as China doesn't need to become a democracy tomorrow. Keep your religion if it makes you feel good, safe, comforted, but please do yourself a favor and think about how not questioning it can affect your reasoning capabilities. Hopefully, religion will improve rather than regress, and whatever it is called when it does improve, whether it still even is religion or has become raw philosophy, it will definitely be for the better.
Edit:
I'm not that much interested in discussing religion as I have done it a lot and there are other things I like to do too. I did compose this as the ideas came and thought I'd share it with FFXIAH as well (there are some smart people here). I think it reflects that I am able to change my mind and adapt my opinions by listening to people of different backgrounds. If you care to read, please do so. If you care to discuss it, please do so. Please do not hate me for only posting this and abandoning the discussion. I've made it a new thread mostly for visibility. And if that's not okay, please feel free to delete it.
If you genuinely want to discuss of it with me, feel free to PM me, I like interesting and polite debates.
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