A new survey in Germany shows that 13 percent of its citizens would welcome a Führer a German word for leader that is explicitly associated with Adolf Hitler to run the country with a firm hand.
The findings signal that Europes largest nation, freed from cold-war strictures, is not immune from the extreme and often right-wing politics on the rise around the Continent.
The study, released Oct. 13 by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation, affiliated with the center-left Social Democratic Party, revealed among other things that more than a third of Germans feel the country is overrun by foreigners, some 60 percent would restrict the practice of Islam, and 17 percent think Jews have too much influence.
The study's overall snapshot of German society shows new forms of extremism and hate are no longer the province of far-right cohorts who shave their heads or wear leather jackets adorned with silver skulls but register in the tweedy political center, on the right and the left. Indeed, the study found, extremism in Germany isnt a fringe phenomenon but is found in the political center, "in all social groups and in all age groups, regardless of employment status, educational level or gender."
Far-right parties gain power across Europe
The year 2010 is marking a clear shift toward extremist politics across Europe, analysts say. An uncertain economy, a gap between elites and ordinary Europeans, and fraying of a traditional sense of national identity has just in the past month brought more hard-line politics and speech, often aimed at Islam or immigrants into a political mainstream where it had been absent or considered taboo.
On Oct. 10, the city of Vienna, a cosmopolitan and socialist stronghold since World War II, voted the far-right Freedom Party into a ruling coalition. The party, which ran on an anti-minaret platform in a city with only one mosque, was formerly associated with nationalist Jorg Haider, but has been reinvented by an animated former dental hygienist, Heinz-Christian Strache.
On Sept. 19, Sweden, long a Scandinavian redoubt of social tolerance and openness, put the far-right Sweden Democrats into parliament for the first time.
Further, this week the Netherlands saw the rise to influence, if not power, of the anti-Islam party of Geert Wilders, a social liberal who argues for gay rights but whose main platform is to ban the Quran and the practice of Islam in the Low Countries. Mr. Wilders' party will formally participate in the Dutch ruling coalition without specifically joining it.
This new governing architecture extreme parties that indirectly join a ruling coalition is now found in Denmark, where the government must rely on the far-right Peoples Party to operate. As author Ian Buruma notes, this form of government gives extreme parties power without responsibility.
Growing divide over immigrants' place
To be sure, German politics, which outlaws extremist parties, has no corollary to events taking place in the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, or Switzerland.
Yet xenophobic rhetoric has crept in. Germany is currently enswathed in debate over comments by Horst Seehofer, president of the Bavarian Christian-Social Union, who stated days ago, It is clear that immigrants from other cultures such as Turkey and Arabic countries have more difficulties. From that I draw the conclusion that we dont need additional immigration from other cultures. The CSU is a sister party of Chancellor Angela Merkels Christian Democrats.
Mr. Seehofers comments are seen as responding to German president Christian Wulff on Oct. 3, German Unity Day, in which he called for a second German unification that would more fully integrate those of immigrant background; he said that Islam also is part of Germany.
President Wulffs statement followed a month of furor over a new book by leftist German central banker Thilo Sarrazin, Germany Abolishes Itself, positing that immigrants from Turkey and Arab states are lowering German intelligence quotients due to high birth rates and less education, and have no productive function except in the fruit and vegetable trade.
Mr. Sarrazins analysis and statistics have been roundly denunciated, and he has resigned his federal bankers post but his book quickly sold 1.5 million copies.
Why extreme-right views are coming to the surface
The Friedrich Ebert Foundation study that came out this week is based on 2,411 respondents and was conducted in April, prior to the recent emotional immigration debate sparked by Sarrazin, Seehofer, and Wulff.
The rise of racism and intolerance argued in the study contrasts with similar foundation studies, prior to the economic crisis in Europe, showing a decrease in racism or xenophobia. However, today nearly a third of Germans polled would consider a policy repatriating immigrants if the job market suffers further.
The authors of the study urge fellow Germans not to underestimate right-wing sentiment.
Oliver Decker, one of the study's authors, says the findings indicate a new popular willingness to express hardcore opinions.
In the past the base for extreme-right views in Germany, though present, was more latent in nature. Now these views are being expressed more frequently, Mr. Decker says. The economic crisis seems to have allowed aggression come to the surface. Among those looking for a valve, foreigners in general and Muslims in particular fill that role.
France has more balls than America these days it seems. If we were living in the '40s we would have cut the throat of Islam and stop being pussy about burning a *** Quran.
Does anyone who posts in these threads actually know anything about politics? I understand that every person is able to have an opinion but advertising ignorance is just silly. The biggest threat to ffxiah and the rest of this world is ignorance.
I think this link is a good more-objective look on Islam in Europe. However, it is a 5-year old look on the situation. It doesn't paint any side to be evil, just notes concerns that Europe has in the near future. Says that integration and assimilation is necessary in order to avoid conflict.
I mean, it does pose some interesting thoughts. Would you move to Japan with no intentions of learning Japanese or Japanese culture? Do you expect Japan to cater to your needs or do you expect them to speak their own language and hope that you know it too? Go to Japan, walk into a store, and keep your hands in your pockets the whole time. I swear, people will start looking at you like you're stealing ***. If you hadn't studied it, or were taught it, you're just going to make yourself look like an *** to the natives.
Countries in Europe aren't about multiculturalism, if it was, there would just be one nation there: Europe. Instead you see dozens of countries, of many different languages(language being one of the strongest barriers of all). What's wrong with having pride for your language, culture, and ideals?
Dunno if this post would be better suited for the other thread or this one. Since this thread just looks like a flame-fest starting with the OP's post.
The biggest threat is people who have their heads in the clouds and refuse to look at what is actually happening. You can be as full of tolerance and compassion as you want. If the other guy isn't, he's going to use your delusional state to cut you off at the knees. If you move to anther country, assimilate. When you have a fast growing population that doesn't share your views and refuses to assimilate, you've got problems. Especially if you're too stuck on abstractions to see reality.
http://pewforum.org/Muslim/An-Uncertain-Road-Muslims-and-the-Future-of-Europe.aspx I think this link is a good more-objective look on Islam in Europe. However, it is a 5-year old look on the situation. It doesn't paint any side to be evil, just notes concerns that Europe has in the near future. Says that integration and assimilation is necessary in order to avoid conflict. I mean, it does pose some interesting thoughts. Would you move to Japan with no intentions of learning Japanese or Japanese culture? Do you expect Japan to cater to your needs or do you expect them to speak their own language and hope that you know it too? Go to Japan, walk into a store, and keep your hands in your pockets the whole time. I swear, people will start looking at you like you're stealing ***. If you hadn't studied it, or were taught it, you're just going to make yourself look like an *** to the natives. Countries in Europe aren't about multiculturalism, if it was, there would just be one nation there: Europe. Instead you see dozens of countries, of many different languages(language being one of the strongest barriers of all). What's wrong with having pride for your language, culture, and ideals? Dunno if this post would be better suited for the other thread or this one. Since this thread just looks like a flame-fest starting with the OP's post.
I dont agree with you.
Saying that language or multiculti in EU doesnt exist, my people LIVE multiculturalism since easy 500 years. About 90% of Viennas citizen have immigrants in their "bloodline".
But you described the core issue of the problem very good too.
Call it however you want, lack of integration is the term which is getting used mostly nowadays.
WE (Im puting us all together in one pot) dont provide enough ressources and possibilites for integration, and many of THEM seem to avoid any step in our "culture".
What I cant say and im admitting that with np,
is how much of this aversion against muslim, lies deep covered in our minds because of the long long history we had, fighting against them.
But I know about it, and so do many others, still we arent against them generally. We just know our feelings toward them might be influenced and so we stay wairy.
Ok all not from germany here are a few hints to consider:
The "Friedrich Ebert Foundation" is a Left-wing association of people who create statistics to support the SPD party. In germany, the SPD went from 38% to ~20% over the last 2 years.
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Research "Thilo Sarrazin" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He made a scandal, but 90% of the population supported him.
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Germany does not want a FÜHRER like hitler. Whoever sais this is propably very very dumb. The people want someone who represents their interests, is determined to make deals that BENEFIT germany.
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EDIT: Angela Merkel just declared 3 days ago that the "MULTICULTURAL" agenda FAILED MISSERABLY. no joke. german link is all i got, but manye there is an english version out aswell.
Just saying, if politicians ADMIT that they F*cked up, the situation is really really bad. really bad.
Ok all not from germany here are a few hints to consider:
The "Friedrich Ebert Foundation" is a Left-wing association of people who create statistics to support the SPD party. In germany, the SPD went from 38% to ~20% over the last 2 years because they really messed up EVERYTHING:
- economy
- EU support
- Integration of foreigners
- education
Also if you look at german politics you will see that not a single german politicians did anything FOR germany, instead they feed the EU. Recently spend 140,000,000,000 € to help greece, altho over 80% of the population where against it. The Schools have no money, Colleges rot away, no kindargarden space, but enough to feed another country.
Now integration of foreigners is another huge issue, and whenever it comes up, the Left wing parties: SPD, Die Grüne, Die Linke. They always claim all that see any troubles are "NAZIS". They did this over the last 50 years, now it comes back to bite them.
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Research "Thilo Sarrazin" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He made a scandal, but 90% of the population supported him.
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Germany does not want a FÜHRER like hitler. Whoever sais this is propably very very dumb. The people want someone who represents their interests, is determined to make deals that BENEFIT germany.
____________________________________________________________________
EDIT: Angela Merkel just declared 3 days ago that the "MULTICULTURAL" agenda FAILED MISSERABLY. no joke. german link is all i got, but manye there is an english version out aswell.
Just saying, if politicians ADMIT that they F*cked up, the situation is really really bad. really bad.
A new survey in Germany shows that 13 percent of its citizens would welcome a Führer a German word for leader that is explicitly associated with Adolf Hitler to run the country with a firm hand.
The findings signal that Europes largest nation, freed from cold-war strictures, is not immune from the extreme and often right-wing politics on the rise around the Continent.
The study, released Oct. 13 by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation, affiliated with the center-left Social Democratic Party, revealed among other things that more than a third of Germans feel the country is overrun by foreigners, some 60 percent would restrict the practice of Islam, and 17 percent think Jews have too much influence.
The study's overall snapshot of German society shows new forms of extremism and hate are no longer the province of far-right cohorts who shave their heads or wear leather jackets adorned with silver skulls but register in the tweedy political center, on the right and the left. Indeed, the study found, extremism in Germany isnt a fringe phenomenon but is found in the political center, "in all social groups and in all age groups, regardless of employment status, educational level or gender."
Far-right parties gain power across Europe
The year 2010 is marking a clear shift toward extremist politics across Europe, analysts say. An uncertain economy, a gap between elites and ordinary Europeans, and fraying of a traditional sense of national identity has just in the past month brought more hard-line politics and speech, often aimed at Islam or immigrants into a political mainstream where it had been absent or considered taboo.
On Oct. 10, the city of Vienna, a cosmopolitan and socialist stronghold since World War II, voted the far-right Freedom Party into a ruling coalition. The party, which ran on an anti-minaret platform in a city with only one mosque, was formerly associated with nationalist Jorg Haider, but has been reinvented by an animated former dental hygienist, Heinz-Christian Strache.
On Sept. 19, Sweden, long a Scandinavian redoubt of social tolerance and openness, put the far-right Sweden Democrats into parliament for the first time.
Further, this week the Netherlands saw the rise to influence, if not power, of the anti-Islam party of Geert Wilders, a social liberal who argues for gay rights but whose main platform is to ban the Quran and the practice of Islam in the Low Countries. Mr. Wilders' party will formally participate in the Dutch ruling coalition without specifically joining it.
This new governing architecture extreme parties that indirectly join a ruling coalition is now found in Denmark, where the government must rely on the far-right Peoples Party to operate. As author Ian Buruma notes, this form of government gives extreme parties power without responsibility.
Growing divide over immigrants' place
To be sure, German politics, which outlaws extremist parties, has no corollary to events taking place in the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, or Switzerland.
Yet xenophobic rhetoric has crept in. Germany is currently enswathed in debate over comments by Horst Seehofer, president of the Bavarian Christian-Social Union, who stated days ago, It is clear that immigrants from other cultures such as Turkey and Arabic countries have more difficulties. From that I draw the conclusion that we dont need additional immigration from other cultures. The CSU is a sister party of Chancellor Angela Merkels Christian Democrats.
Mr. Seehofers comments are seen as responding to German president Christian Wulff on Oct. 3, German Unity Day, in which he called for a second German unification that would more fully integrate those of immigrant background; he said that Islam also is part of Germany.
President Wulffs statement followed a month of furor over a new book by leftist German central banker Thilo Sarrazin, Germany Abolishes Itself, positing that immigrants from Turkey and Arab states are lowering German intelligence quotients due to high birth rates and less education, and have no productive function except in the fruit and vegetable trade.
Mr. Sarrazins analysis and statistics have been roundly denunciated, and he has resigned his federal bankers post but his book quickly sold 1.5 million copies.
Why extreme-right views are coming to the surface
The Friedrich Ebert Foundation study that came out this week is based on 2,411 respondents and was conducted in April, prior to the recent emotional immigration debate sparked by Sarrazin, Seehofer, and Wulff.
The rise of racism and intolerance argued in the study contrasts with similar foundation studies, prior to the economic crisis in Europe, showing a decrease in racism or xenophobia. However, today nearly a third of Germans polled would consider a policy repatriating immigrants if the job market suffers further.
The authors of the study urge fellow Germans not to underestimate right-wing sentiment.
Oliver Decker, one of the study's authors, says the findings indicate a new popular willingness to express hardcore opinions.
In the past the base for extreme-right views in Germany, though present, was more latent in nature. Now these views are being expressed more frequently, Mr. Decker says. The economic crisis seems to have allowed aggression come to the surface. Among those looking for a valve, foreigners in general and Muslims in particular fill that role.