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 Asura.Nzodd
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By Asura.Nzodd 2010-09-23 16:05:40  
Im kinda curious what people think about mexico's drugwar. Do you think the U.S shares blame? Would legalizing drugs help in the fight against cartels? Did you know that guns are illegal in mexico, the cartels get all there guns from the U.S. Or is mexico's corrupt goverment, and horrible president the problem?
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-23 16:14:46  
government can only do so much but thays mainly part of the problem

too much poordom in some districts
 
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-09-23 16:28:20  
Asura.Nzodd said:
Im kinda curious what people think about mexico's drugwar. Do you think the U.S shares blame? Would legalizing drugs help in the fight against cartels? Did you know that guns are illegal in mexico, the cartels get all there guns from the U.S. Or is mexico's corrupt goverment, and horrible president the problem?

US shares blame? Yes

legalizing drugs help fight against cartels? probably but is it morally right?

Guns are illegal to own in mexico, thats why the cartels get guns from the US. And its quite shocking to see the arsenal that the cartels actually have. assault rifles, light machine guns etc.

mexico's govt is corrupt but they are trying to stop the cartels...but throwing more people at the problem isn't a way to stop them.

A major problem is
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...too much poordom in some districts
This goes hand in hand with illegal immigrants comming over to the united states.
So it would be rather interesting if both governments could work out a way to setup an agency to create work visas for people (in large quantity) and employ them to various industries in the united states. And possibly add some eventual benefits along the way. maybe citizenship if the worker wants it.
But a major problem besides drug cartels are also the organized crime syndicates that pretty much cover from central america to Alaska. example) MS13.
Oh well. I suggest. close the borders and deal with internal problems first. and shoot to kill people crossing the border illegal.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-23 16:30:46  
or let some immigrants work for a temp time in usa? just a suggestion dunno. it beats illegal ones getting paid 2Dollar/hr
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-09-23 16:33:57  
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or let some immigrants work for a temp time in usa? just a suggestion dunno. it beats illegal ones getting paid 2Dollar/hr
problem with illegals...they don't pay taxes
 
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-23 16:34:41  
The US has a lot of the blame in this actually... There was an article in a local NM newspaper that highlighted quite a few border patrol workers, that were involved in the drug trafficking themselves..
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By Gilgamesh.Kunimitsu 2010-09-23 16:35:14  
I'm sure Heisenberg will sort out the cartel in season 3... wait what?
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-23 16:35:20  
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
or let some immigrants work for a temp time in usa? just a suggestion dunno. it beats illegal ones getting paid 2Dollar/hr
problem with illegals...they don't pay taxes
also tru and get underpaying jobs
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-09-23 16:36:57  
Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
So it would be rather interesting if both governments could work out a way to setup an agency to create work visas for people (in large quantity) and employ them to various industries in the united states. And possibly add some eventual benefits along the way. maybe citizenship if the worker wants it.
I don't think bringing immigrants to the US (and making them citizens) would benefit either of the branches of government, and even more so the US citizens will begin to cry about how immigrants are taking up US jobs and leaving them with nothing left. Inb4immigrantsarenotppl.
it would be a very long process. But it was just a thought since you do here a lot of stories in the news/media about anchor babies and what not. our major problem is our government trying to controll too much imo. need more self investment in our country to improve our economy and infrastructure instead of trying to improve others
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-23 16:37:30  
then things should get better in mexico so those peeps dont feel like migrating lol
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-09-23 16:38:31  
mexico's economy is crap. its near 3rd world in the border towns
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2010-09-23 16:56:08  
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
legalizing drugs help fight against cartels? probably but is it morally right?

you're *** kidding me, right?

Morality shouldnt even enter into the concept. Especially not in a tolerance-driven government such as the United States. A government that legalizes pornography and alcohol (two major "immoral" industries) really has no place to assume that drugs fall under a separate set of rules.

Something like that should be left up to the judgement and responsibility of the end-user. If you dont like it, avoid it. The concept is very simple.
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By Carbuncle.Arona 2010-09-23 16:58:15  
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:


legalizing drugs help fight against cartels? probably but is it morally right?


It is morally right to tell someone that they can't do something cause you may not personally agree with it?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-09-23 17:07:44  
Asura.Nzodd said:
Im kinda curious what people think about mexico's drugwar. Do you think the U.S shares blame? Would legalizing drugs help in the fight against cartels? Did you know that guns are illegal in mexico, the cartels get all there guns from the U.S. Or is mexico's corrupt goverment, and horrible president the problem?

People wonder why you shouldn't make guns illegal, this would be why, because the only people with them would be the criminals and the government which is typically corrupt. Also if we regulated and legalized street drugs mainly marijuana it would reduce the funding for these wars. Now heroine and cocaine probably shouldn't be legalized due to the negative effects in general, but should the government tell people they can't do something because it's bad for them or should they be able to make the choice themselves? Then there's the whole children issue, which is another big clusterfuck.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-09-23 17:08:18  
Diabolos.Sovereign said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
legalizing drugs help fight against cartels? probably but is it morally right?

you're *** kidding me, right?

Morality shouldnt even enter into the concept. Especially not in a tolerance-driven government such as the United States. A government that legalizes pornography and alcohol (two major "immoral" industries) really has no place to assume that drugs fall under a separate set of rules.

Something like that should be left up to the judgement and responsibility of the end-user. If you dont like it, avoid it. The concept is very simple.

how the hell is porn immoral?
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-09-23 17:09:49  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Diabolos.Sovereign said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
legalizing drugs help fight against cartels? probably but is it morally right?

you're *** kidding me, right?

Morality shouldnt even enter into the concept. Especially not in a tolerance-driven government such as the United States. A government that legalizes pornography and alcohol (two major "immoral" industries) really has no place to assume that drugs fall under a separate set of rules.

Something like that should be left up to the judgement and responsibility of the end-user. If you dont like it, avoid it. The concept is very simple.

how the hell is porn immoral?
God doesn't want you gettin it in, and gods rules = morales
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-09-23 17:11:03  
Phoenix.Darki said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
or let some immigrants work for a temp time in usa? just a suggestion dunno. it beats illegal ones getting paid 2Dollar/hr
problem with illegals...they don't pay taxes
also tru and get underpaying jobs
income tax from the populace it doesn't matter if they pay them or not. What the problem with illegals is the companies who hire them don't pay taxes, and the illegals tend to usually fund criminals (smuggling them in country) and send more money out of the country. Illegals still pay all sales taxes, and every other tax conceived (more or less)
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-09-23 17:11:43  
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Diabolos.Sovereign said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
legalizing drugs help fight against cartels? probably but is it morally right?

you're *** kidding me, right?

Morality shouldnt even enter into the concept. Especially not in a tolerance-driven government such as the United States. A government that legalizes pornography and alcohol (two major "immoral" industries) really has no place to assume that drugs fall under a separate set of rules.

Something like that should be left up to the judgement and responsibility of the end-user. If you dont like it, avoid it. The concept is very simple.

how the hell is porn immoral?
God doesn't want you gettin it in, and gods rules = morales
*** your imaginary god and his illogical rules.

edit: also the morals of most deities (based on their books) are *** up to no end, and you can have morals without a belief in a higher being so get off your religion high horse
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By Asura.Nzodd 2010-09-23 17:21:59  
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
The US has a lot of the blame in this actually... There was an article in a local NM newspaper that highlighted quite a few border patrol workers, that were involved in the drug trafficking themselves..

You know the bad thing is with the amount of money the cartels make i wouldnt be suprised if they bought off a border patrol agent. And soon the cartels can corrupt the us gov, if they dont keep the border in check. These guys are brutal even if you dont get bought up they will threathen your family they rule through fear, i hope this cancer affecting mexico gets taken care of.
 
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-09-23 17:23:49  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Diabolos.Sovereign said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
legalizing drugs help fight against cartels? probably but is it morally right?

you're *** kidding me, right?

Morality shouldnt even enter into the concept. Especially not in a tolerance-driven government such as the United States. A government that legalizes pornography and alcohol (two major "immoral" industries) really has no place to assume that drugs fall under a separate set of rules.

Something like that should be left up to the judgement and responsibility of the end-user. If you dont like it, avoid it. The concept is very simple.
If you've ever read my opinions on religion on any other ah.com forum you would of realized it was sarcasm, problem with open atheist you push your disbelief on others just as strongly as religious fanatics push god... So funny lol
how the hell is porn immoral?
God doesn't want you gettin it in, and gods rules = morales
*** your imaginary god and his illogical rules.

edit: also the morals of most deities (based on their books) are *** up to no end, and you can have morals without a belief in a higher being so get off your religion high horse
f you've ever read my opinions on religion on any other ah.com forum you would of realized it was sarcasm, problem with open atheist you push your disbelief on others just as strongly as religious fanatics push god... So funny lol
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-09-23 17:24:53  
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Funny, I am watching Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas right now.


Legalization of drugs? Yes, please legalize every last drug. The people who do not use them suffer more from them being illegal.

People need to realize morality is just opinions and that they have no right what so ever to tell anyone what they can or can not put in their body. People should be educated about drugs, but no one should tell me or anyone else I can not use them.



Oh, and *** Mexico.
Just bought a 10 strip of Acid myself, movie is the ***, wish i could live it lol
 
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-09-23 17:29:19  
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Funny, I am watching Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas right now.


Legalization of drugs? Yes, please legalize every last drug. The people who do not use them suffer more from them being illegal.

People need to realize morality is just opinions and that they have no right what so ever to tell anyone what they can or can not put in their body. People should be educated about drugs, but no one should tell me or anyone else I can not use them.



Oh, and *** Mexico.
Just bought a 10 strip of Acid myself, movie is the ***, wish i could live it lol

I demand you share it right now you rat ***! As your attorney I highly recommend it.
Adding you on my friends list for being *** sexy lol *puts on white rabbit
 
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-09-23 17:33:56  
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Diabolos.Sovereign said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
legalizing drugs help fight against cartels? probably but is it morally right?
you're *** kidding me, right? Morality shouldnt even enter into the concept. Especially not in a tolerance-driven government such as the United States. A government that legalizes pornography and alcohol (two major "immoral" industries) really has no place to assume that drugs fall under a separate set of rules. Something like that should be left up to the judgement and responsibility of the end-user. If you dont like it, avoid it. The concept is very simple.
If you've ever read my opinions on religion on any other ah.com forum you would of realized it was sarcasm, problem with open atheist you push your disbelief on others just as strongly as religious fanatics push god... So funny lol how the hell is porn immoral?
God doesn't want you gettin it in, and gods rules = morales
*** your imaginary god and his illogical rules. edit: also the morals of most deities (based on their books) are *** up to no end, and you can have morals without a belief in a higher being so get off your religion high horse
f you've ever read my opinions on religion on any other ah.com forum you would of realized it was sarcasm, problem with open atheist you push your disbelief on others just as strongly as religious fanatics push god... So funny lol
Yeah, anyone who could not tell you were being openly sarcastic is obviously HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
the US government is morally driven... if they do legalize the drugs you want, its going to get taxed tremendously
and /shrug for the people currently in jail that got placed in there for drugs. Maybe if we can get drugs legalized we can be like belgium.
but most likely we'll just have substance abuse over here...
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2010-09-23 17:41:07  
I always felt the situation facing Mexico and Russia where organised crime has such a tremendously strong presence mirrors the pre-Depression US mobwars of the 1920's and 1930's.

At the time, mob organisations were so strong and prevelant they effectively "owned" certain cities in the US, and it took a lot of federal government pressure (essentially flat out warfare, targeting kingpin figures, attacking financial backers, uprooting corrupt law enforcement agents, etc.) and many years to finally reverse the situation. Many of the "untouchable" mob bosses were finally brought in through the use of accountants to track their actions, as an indication of the extent law enforcement had to go.

I really get the impression that such strong-handed action must be (eventually) taken by the Mexican and Russian governments to target the threat and hedge out their control over territory. For certain, the US drug-using population fuels the problem in the first place, but the cartels are so indemic now to the local economies that they are emboldened to overtly attack authority figures and oppress locals to protect their holdings. I can only forsee things getting worse.
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