Am I Doin It Wrong ? Lol

Okay that may be why, I do try to keep up with haste (it may drop at times, if MP is getting low and no convert up, I have to sacrafice Haste in lieu of survival) But no Dia ever (the mobs honestly drop to fast to really worry with it, and yes they are using Hasso.

Anything she says on dnc related stuff is true

Yea, dropped haste and non dia = *** that noise son

I will die b/c rdm ran out of mp if i full timed hasso drg/sam on brds XD

Pull Wivre.
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They don't =/ The last DNC in a merit PT I was in, had 5/5 in NFR, they only ever threw off a Waltz when my MP was completely dead AND someone was in red (not orange, just red)

The ones before that, no merits that I can absolutely remember, but none of them healed.

Exactly!

if i dont like rdm i super jump and he gets all the hate mwuahahahahaha!

We were, it was at Mamool Ja Staging point, not bird camp, and that is one the times the SAMs managed to get 1-shotted X.X

Maybe it's my fault, I've accepted main healing, and everyone else seems to be DD/Tank only with no sympathy for mages or the struggle for MP.. They keep going, I keep struggling to keep up, we broke 100 chain though, so I'd say I did pretty good.

I don't know what to say. I apologize for my fellow DNCs. :/

To tell you the truth, I've never seen a DNC main heal, so until now I didn't even know they were supposed to.. I am a DNC, and I'd consider it my main, I spend all my time on DNC, unless I have to change for something (such as BCNM/KSNM/Dyna/Merit(I get pt invites easily, which is a plus to me since I don't have to wait around all day for invite) But I only Solo/Duo (with a friend, the same friend, not just like random people from LS)

I only know what DNC is capable of through experience, and all my experience on DNC is not party orientated..

If im in a pty on dnc my goal is to make the mage bored :D
I made this one sch leave b/c he had nothing to do and b/c he cant haste lol

I'm not saying a DNC can't put out decent numbers so much as the job was made to heal, and we can heal waaaaaaayyyy better than any mage in situations that we can poke things. We can heal absurd amounts, quickly, and we can keep doing it. We have a nearly infinite 'mp' pool, our only downside is we can't erase for crap. Keeping up the 'infinite' mp pool in situations where there's tons of dying requires lots of concentration, spamming steps/RF at timer, spamming cures at timer and occasionally throwing out a stun if you think the person with hate might just die before your cure timers are up.

SCH + DNC is a really bad combo.

^ this.

I always found that Dnc+anything in any xp or meripo is a bad combo. I'm sorry, I just don't know how Dnc can replace any primary job and have yet to be shown otherwise. Dnc was made for solo or duo imo

Cause Haste sucks.

I don't like hundred daggering mobs with saber dance + samba/marchx2/haste!

Agreed; Who would want moar Haste, srsly? lolol

I know, right?

Not sure if you are trying to whoosh me or not but you are aware DNC gives 10% haste right?

nvm

Think it's too late for that..

Dude haste owns what are u guys talking about >.>

Terrible DNCs may fit this, but a good DNC with Haste Samba merits, fast engage times + quick debuffing, etc more than outweighs the loss of a heavy DD in the party hands down.

Yes, i know where u guys were going w/ the haste thing, for those.. well you know.
Im out, peace
And Night tarutarus get dibs on all gear in my ls, you can lot after we satisfied :P

Going to give a very straightforward honest nonbiased answer here.

Assuming you have 3 SAMs, a BRD, a COR, and a RDM, I believe it's fair to say the 3 SAMs combined will parse about 90% of the total damage, with the COR doing about the last 10%, assuming he's just rolling and shooting and not forced to pull. If we were to drop one SAM, then we'd be losing about a third of our total damage. Seems rather large.

Now let's assume all SAMs have perfect Haste. Walahra Turban, Dusk Gloves+1, Velocious Belt, Byakko's Haidate, Fuma Sune-Ate. 23% Haste. Hasso, Haste Spell, double March.

That's a combined 68% Haste. Based on a 480 delay weapon, that's 480*.32=154 delay.

Now we'll add 10% Haste from a DNC's Haste Samba. 480*.22=106 delay.

Do the math, that's a 45% increase of damage for your two remaining SAMs. Assuming your DNC does not melee at all or hits for 0s everytime, that alone makes up 90% of the lost SAM. Even more if your COR is meleeing.

Now if we were to add in a DNC's damage, I'd imagine it to be quite a bit more than the COR's damage, so we'll go ahead and give it twice what the COR was parsing for. Now the DDs rank 35%/35%/20%/10%, SAM/SAM/DNC/COR. Taken as an independent ratio just based on how much damage the DNC added, it would be about 45%, give or take. That's compared to the third SAM's original 30%.





tl;dr version, SAM/SAM/DNC/COR/BRD/RDM is about 15% more effective as SAM/SAM/SAM/COR/BRD/RDM, and dropping one SAM and picking up a DNC will cause that 6th slot to increase 1.5-fold.

totally biased, imo. I don't know that Dnc can out-parce a cor, or anything for that matter.

Irrelevant.

Here's how it breaks down. In the above situation, Haste Samba alone gets you 90% (really 90.9%) of the repped SAM. If your COR is meleeing (they better be), gap is closed and exceeded. If it's not, Box Step will help close the gap.

From here, you look at the utility DNC brings to the table. I won't bother quoting the WoT where it was worked out, but a RDM cannot solo heal, haste, and dia every mob with fulltime Hasso DDs. There's simply not enough MP to go around. DNC fills the gap and allows RDM to focus on haste and dia plus providing supplemental cures. Enabling fulltime Hasso more than exceeds the last 10% of that third SAM. This is before we even consider the DNC's loldamage... chances are they won't be able to WS in this situation but they still contribute some damage, possibly even 10% of a SAMs.

DNC > 3rd SAM, end of story. Only caveat is they have to be smart, quick to engage, and apply debuffs immediately.

ok, but who would have three sams in their party to begin with? much less 2. I mean, comeon. Is it because everyone has one?