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Anyone still doing AF burn ?
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-08 14:38:31
Shiva.Flionheart said: Huh? I might be missing something here, but if skill is giving 0.5 macc, and chr is giving 0.5 macc surely it would be better to use the piece that gives you the overall better Macc.
Hence using AF 1 legs over Sha'ir legs for wind based debuffs CHR is only giving .5 MACC if your CHR is capped. I said if it WASN'T capped, your CHR is doing twice as much as your skill.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 14:38:38
Bismarck.Altar said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Has this been proven anywhere? I'm pretty sure skill gives 0.9 Macc at all times, regardless of cumulative skill.
CHR is simple to cap too. Really it should go Macc > Skill > CHR
And if skill only gives 0.5, it gives the same amount of Macc as chr does
Removed quote train, but you're both right (and wrong). It hasn't been proven anywhere that I know of, but you do get decreasing returns from skill > acc/att for melee jobs as your skill goes up, I would assume it is the same or similar for bard. It's highly unlikely that it is a static 0.9, because ~450 macc from skill alone is not plausible given the degree of resists bards can get. There is no "cap" for Chr where xtra chr becomes useless.
Personally I gear my debuff for MAcc > Chr > Skill
Well I've always tried to follow the 500 skill 100 chr diagram and I've always had favourable resists
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By Bismarck.Altar 2010-05-08 14:38:48
Marduk Legs for debuff!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 14:39:23
Siren.Enternius said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Huh? I might be missing something here, but if skill is giving 0.5 macc, and chr is giving 0.5 macc surely it would be better to use the piece that gives you the overall better Macc.
Hence using AF 1 legs over Sha'ir legs for wind based debuffs CHR is only giving .5 MACC if your CHR is capped. I said if it WASN'T capped, your CHR is doing twice as much as your skill.
I'm pretty sure CHR gives you a static .5 MACC regardless of how much you have
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 14:40:04
Bismarck.Altar said: Marduk Legs for debuff!
If I had them, I'd be all over them :o
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By Bismarck.Munky 2010-05-08 14:41:32
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Is this the part of the thread where you start to not make any sense? If so, why don't you just skip to the part where you call me whatever 4 letter word comes to mind, then storm off and cry in a corner.
Did i hurt your e-feelings that much?
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By Bismarck.Altar 2010-05-08 14:41:49
Last I read,
CHR gave 1 macc up until your CHR was 10 higher than your target's CHR, after that point it gave your 0.5 macc.
The thing is you should be stacking chr in the appropriate places, so you dont have to sacrifice in others.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 14:44:57
Bismarck.Altar said: Last I read,
CHR gave 1 macc up until your CHR was 10 higher than your target's CHR, after that point it gave your 0.5 macc.
The thing is you should be stacking chr in the appropriate places, so you dont have to sacrifice in others.
Well I'd always use the Jester cape +1 > Echo / Astute to debuff in, and I'd always use the Gleemans > Marching belt.
But I use AF hands and legs for debuffing in (Other than finale and Lullaby) and I've never had a huge resist problem ever.
I use Errant Houpelande and Nereid rings too, Personally I prefer Nereids than heavens but I think that's more personal preference
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By Kujata.Akeda 2010-05-08 14:49:29
Augmented +CHR Nereid Ring ftw?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 14:51:10
Kujata.Akeda said: Augmented CHR Nereid Ring ftw?
So much so, Been trying to get enough tabs to augment those again :O
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-08 14:51:56
Kujata.Akeda said: Augmented CHR Nereid Ring ftw? That was one of my fiance's first augments. I was hoping for a good augment at the same time and my Haubergeon got Ice+3 >.>
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By Bismarck.Altar 2010-05-08 14:54:57
My nereids got - eva, +9 earth (use it on pld for ouryu o.o) and vit/agi+2.
I don't wanna toss either of the last two, and I don't have inv space to warrant getting an extra nereid.
Besides, even with a chr augment, the new Veela ring would probably beat it.
Veela/Omega is the best debuff combo atm i think.
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By Unicorn.Ninetales 2010-05-08 21:45:55
Sylph.Kimble said: So, the skill of macroing in CHR gear? EXPing by yourself, learning how/when to swap, when it's okay/not okay to melee, when/how to use JAs properly, dying and getting used to it... everything to help you prepare to actually DO things on BST75.
A person who AFB'd RDM to 75 might be able to get the hang of Refresh/Haste whoring pretty quickly, but they're not about to go out and start soloing ***. Granted, you can easily say "but a RDM doesn't have to!", that's because they're used for other things in endgame. BST doesn't have the luxury of being a high-demand endgame job.
That said, there's no real "rush" to get BST to 75. You're only cheating yourself by AFBing it.
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2010-05-08 22:49:27
Bismarck.Munky said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Is this the part of the thread where you start to not make any sense? If so, why don't you just skip to the part where you call me whatever 4 letter word comes to mind, then storm off and cry in a corner.
Did i hurt your e-feelings that much?
You're adorable. Don't change your retard ways, please. They bring me, and this forum, much entertainment.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-05-08 22:58:18
This is where my ongoing assumption that AFB makes noobs comes into play...
Not old players with experience on some jobs... new players without the experience -.-
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-05-08 23:01:33
Also how do you plan on beating maat with a BST with absolutely no combat skills or experience
so u cant even get to 75
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By Unicorn.Ninetales 2010-05-08 23:16:57
Gilgamesh.Andras said: Also how do you plan on beating maat with a BST with absolutely no combat skills or experience
so u cant even get to 75 You only have to do G5 once...
I have never fought Maat, ever, and I have two 75s. Hohoho.
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By bestutopia 2010-05-08 23:20:02
Unicorn.Ninetales said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Also how do you plan on beating maat with a BST with absolutely no combat skills or experience
so u cant even get to 75 You only have to do G5 once...
I have never fought Maat, ever, and I have two 75s. Hohoho.
and still cant get stuff done?
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-05-08 23:20:54
bestutopia said: Unicorn.Ninetales said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Also how do you plan on beating maat with a BST with absolutely no combat skills or experience
so u cant even get to 75 You only have to do G5 once...
I have never fought Maat, ever, and I have two 75s. Hohoho.
and still cant get stuff done?
G5 cant be done with ur highest job at 56
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By Unicorn.Ninetales 2010-05-08 23:51:34
Gilgamesh.Andras said: G5 cant be done with ur highest job at 56 True, I was just pointing out that they don't necessarily have to do it on BST to get BST to 75.
bestutopia said: and still cant get stuff done? {I don't know how to answer that question.}{Please use simple words.}
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 23:56:19
Unicorn.Ninetales said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: G5 cant be done with ur highest job at 56 True, I was just pointing out that they don't necessarily have to do it on BST to get BST to 75.
bestutopia said: and still cant get stuff done? {I don't know how to answer that question.}{Please use simple words.}
I'm pretty sure bestutopia is Lucant, I can tell by the way he types
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By Unicorn.Ninetales 2010-05-09 00:02:21
Shiva.Flionheart said: This looks like a '***. I can tell by some of the words and by having seen quite a few '*** in my time. I feel incredibly stupid for this, but I couldn't help but think it.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-09 00:03:29
Unicorn.Ninetales said: Shiva.Flionheart said: This looks like a '***. I can tell by some of the words and by having seen quite a few '*** in my time. I feel incredibly stupid for this, but I couldn't help but think it.
LOL
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By Bismarck.Munky 2010-05-13 10:50:03
Need to AF my beast-master to 75. Also, I willing to AF my SMN to 75 and return the favor who ever is willing to help me.
~Thank you~
PM me please.
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