Games You Regret Ever Playing..

***. In VIII, the characters would be common soldiers without GF's. They have to give up their memories to become powerful. It makes the characters easier to relate to, honestly. It's not hard to understand.

In VII, the characters are already supernaturally powerful and give up nothing in return. Cloud and Vincent are sorta explainable, they got injected with otherworldly beings. Maybe Aerith and RED XIII too, being unique races and all. But Tifa, Yuffie, Barret, Cid and Caitsith? Not so much.

And traumatic? *** that noise, Rydia had it just as bad. Her mother was killed, THEN her hometown got burned down, and was approached by two fairly intimidating looking men. THEN she was swallowed by Leviathan. She sure as hell didn't lose her memories. Did I mention was like, sevenish when all that happens?

Who said anything about it being the best? You just asked why it was good.

Your points are about game mechanics, and they are completely valid. All the characters in 7 are overpowered.

I didn't say cloud's experiences were the most truamatic ever. But he was too weak to be a soldier... in desperation and shame he became a lowly grunt, and then became a guinea pig for hojo. he spent years (yes, years) stuck in a tube, until he broke out with zack. zack, a powerful, herioc image, everything cloud wanted to be so he became it, repressing memories of his shame and losing his identity.

This is a well formed plot.

In final fantasy 8, halfway through the story the decide to tell you that everyone grew up together, there was no lead in, there was no justification and quite honestly they could have made the story without the plot point entirely, but they decided to cram it in and use the junction with guardian forces as a vehicle for a totally pointless sensationalist plot point.

You can still like 8 more than 7. but it is, in a literary sense, a weak story.

Most of this plot was explained through spin offs, meaning that the story was originally full of plot holes.

Wrong. The spinoffs only took and expanded on the story. Which one of those spinoffs explained something that wast already explained in ff7? none. Playing as zach and learning about sephiroth's rise to power so to speak is pretty irrelevant to the overall plot points. Playing as vincent AFTER the fact does what...? You're making no sense.

I am not arguing that they don't explain the memory loss in 8... I am arguing that the explanation is derivative. It adds nothing to the story and it doesn't build from anything that happened prior in the story.

If they wanted to express the sacrifices made by SeeD members for the power they receive there are numerous, more poignant ways they could have done it. Tossing a huge plot hole out there and then explaining it away through memory loss from guardian forces is not strong narrative.

What Hojo did was barely explained other than "You got injected with Jenova splooge herp derp"

All of that was explained through Crisis core.

What Hojo did was barely explained other than "You got injected with Jenova splooge herp derp"

All of that was explained through Crisis core.

I played about halfway through crisis core... I didn't get to the point where they were imprisoned together (if it even gets that far.)

There are cutscenes you can find in 7 that show zack and cloud stuck in the basement of shinra mansion and show them after they've escaped, and how zack dies.

All of that information is available in the game itself. Hell cloud even tells you about it before you can view the cutscenes.

in my OPINION it is the best ever, and FF8 is the worst. You tend to think that since you masturbate to FF8 that there is no way it can be better than FF7.

I dont need to explain myself. Facts are facts.

Dont confuse "mystery" with "plot-holes." Something not being explained further leaves it open to interpretation, like a lot of GOOD books do. Books are those things with pages that you see at the library.

They never explain how cloud got power... they explain how he got mako eyes that allowed him to pull off his zack persona. Whether that gave him power or not is debatable because he was a failed experiment, he didn't meet the expectations they had for him as another attempt at making sephiroth.

And from that, linear's point about the characters being overpowered is reinforced... they are, every character can do anything that any other character can do, all cloud gets is the highest base str.

But that doesn't have bearing on the story its a mechanics issue.

I think BOTH VII and VIII are bad games compared to most of the others. Hell, I even like XII better than them.

Also; LOUD NOISES!

8 was as easy as 7, up until a few notable bosses.

Materia let all your characters do anything, and junctions/mob levels based on your level let you max your characters on the first disc.

I did both, on both games. Personally I just hated 8's graphics. lol I WANT BLOCK HANDS BACK.

Actually, Rydia is important to the plot. She's the biggest reason Cecil wanted to repent for everythign he'd done, and ultimately lead to his change into a Paladin.

And the fact that she came back to save his life when Golbez was second away from killing him, even after everything he'd done to her, helped alleviate the guilt and self hate he still carried from his days as a Dark Knight, because she'd managed to forgive him.

This was absolutely key in defeating Zeromus. Had he not changed to a Paladin, he'd never had been able to use the crystal to weaken him into a killable form.

in my OPINION it is the best ever, and FF8 is the worst. You tend to think that since you masturbate to FF8 that there is no way it can be better than FF7. I dont need to explain myself. Facts are facts. Dont confuse "mystery" with "plot-holes." Something not being explained further leaves it open to interpretation, like a lot of GOOD books do. Books are those things with pages that you see at the library.

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Can't we all just hate on 12? Pleaseeeeeee! and with that...



Let's make a few things clear. Yes, the main chars of 7 8 9 10 managed to look a little girly.. a little too femme.. but cmon

Vaan.. Vaan.. my female boss at work has the same haircut. Go home!

Final Fantasy IX is incredible, I think I prefer VIII over it slightly due to it being the first I played, but the characters and system in IX are fap worthy. VI will always be the best imo though, I've yet to play an FF game that tops it.