(currently) The New Hotness?

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(currently) The New Hotness?
 Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-24 22:18:36  
Sylph.Kozuki said:
I don't know how good a DA dagger would be with saber dance?
since we have no idea if this functions like a jailor weapon or um all other weapons who knows. I'd say it would have to do a fair share better than swd.

As far as that acc numbering... well that don't matter no more if you are offhanding a double attack dagger instead of lol joy toy now does it? Though really offhanding cing was better for tping anwyays. So yeah put that rajas and rape harness back on maybe. I'd do the numbers but I'm just on lappy right now
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-24 22:33:45  
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Though really offhanding cing was better for tping anwyays.

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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-24 22:35:53  
Diabolos.Ghlin said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Though really offhanding cing was better for tping anwyays.
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Sorry misspelled abreviation Cinquedea
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-24 22:38:08  
funny, i did a search for daggers beginning w/ C, and i didn't find this.

but yeah, that would be awesome. but idk. if you can get Joy to work, it would have to be good. maybe it's only for 'for fun' ***.

edit: haha ok once more w/ feeling. mirke (dw and acc) used instead of rapparee. using tiercel and acuben helm to go to 23% haste +8 DW. tassets have haste/acc. total accuracy 413 w/ full dagger merits and sushi+1. (just plugging numbers into ffxi calc)

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By Hades.Lumei 2010-03-24 22:57:07  
Wouldnt the extra dualwield be counter-productive against the Store TP since it lowers base delay as well as tp gain? (That is unless it doesnt really break a tier down.) Id stick with Raparee, PCC/Love which would cap haste (26%~) and have pretty much the exact same Accuracy as the above set as well as giving you a slightly better TP per swing setup.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-24 23:01:49  
I did the math awhile back... if I remember right joy toy only won if you didn't have saber dance, or ACP DW body, and you had like over 91%ish acc on swd.

Also not done the numbers yet but I can almost gurantee that rape + turban will go faster than ACP + acuben

I mean 6 haste 3 DW 5dex vs 9 haste... pretty sure but yeah



Now DWing being counter productive... well rate of tp gain will still go up probably unless there is rounding stuff. And the store tp ctually only works when >100% tp lol
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-24 23:03:25  
yeah it ends up adding a hit needed to get to 100 TP. but you improve in DPS overall i'd say. i say this esp b/c dnc doesn't ws at 100TP every chance it gets.

edit: @dasva, well yeah, it's about the same, but my reasoning is that tiercel alone is only +a small amount of haste, and you get the stats on the mirke. 5 str/5 dex.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-24 23:12:57  
Well without doing the numbers I can say that if your DW is around the same amount as your haste or haste is higher 3 haste will beat the ***out of 3 DW. And unless you are getting to haste caps

Will grant the same or greater delay reduction without reducing tp gain.

So figure you got 20% DW without the body. Figure probably 25-35% with your combo solo.. probably gunna be better. Now if it wasn't for that crazy minus acc on the helm...


Or you could use ancient torque and rapp instead come out with the same acc and almost same dex and still 3 haste higher for the 3 DW. Not that I'm advocating that helm in any situation you aren't capping without having to pull back on haste lol. Same with neck
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-24 23:18:15  
so rap+walmart>mirke+acubens. haste is totally capped then. +25 and some change.

edit: yeah that's really bizarre. messed with some numbers on ffxicalc. i guess DW affects attack speed differently. i always just figured it was the same as haste only it reduces TP gain. i guess that's simply not the case.

did some messing around w/ ffxicalc, but it looks like you do combined delay divided by 1.(dw) *then* that delay divided by 1.(haste).

So your attack speed in mirke/acuben is...

15+8 or 23 DW and 23 haste.

201+156 delay 357

357 / 1.23 = 290.24 / 1.23 = 235.97

Attack speed in rapparee/walmart is...
15+5 or 20 DW and 25.6 haste.

357 / 1.2 = 297.5 / 1.256 = 236.86

Pretty darn close. But yeah, the Haste wins by about 1 delay or 1/60th of a second.







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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-24 23:28:09  
Well in terms of straight tp assuming that 2.5 acc from dex isn't making a huge diff. Though that can easily be made up. Calculating the dps difference would be a little harder with the whole fstr thing. And more trouble than I'd like to go thru.

If you are capping acc in that setup though I'd imagine you could put on 1 more haste either from helm or neck and swap that ring for 7 acc if needed to still cap acc. Since haste really caps at between 25-26.

If more haste equipment comes out might get close enough to the cap where switching to ACP is better for tp gain just because of DW and not acc. Maybe at 23% without body. Probably at 24%. And I would think that day not too far off.
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By Siren.Narayan 2010-03-25 02:29:18  
looked at ffxicalc... didn't realize sushi/pizza pretty much made accu sky rocket to 95% with almost any friggen setup.

For shits n giggles add bunch of haste items as link references to first post. Easier to find them now lol
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By Siren.Narayan 2010-03-25 03:09:14  
So ya, from ffxicalc, vs lv82 Greater Colibri as a 75 Galka DNC (I'm Galk >_>)

This setup is DEX+36 Dagger Skill 263 (256 base + Love):
w/o food: 367.2 accu (75.1% hit rate)
w/ Marinara Pizza +1: 407.592 (95%)
w/ Squid Sushi +1: 429.432 (95%)
w/ Tuna Sushi: 424.005 (95%)

Switch out bod for rape and hands for dusk (drop DEX+36 to 28):
w/o food: 346.2 (64.6%)
w/ Marinara Pizza +1: 384.282 (83.6%)
w/ Squid Sushi +1: 405.072 (94%)
w/ Tuna Sushi: 399.855 (91.4%)

Switch out bod for rape and hands & feet for dusk (drop DEX+36 to 25):
w/o food: 344.7 (63.8%)
w/ Marinara Pizza +1: 382.617 (82.8%)
w/ Squid Sushi +1: 403.332 (93.1%)
w/ Tuna Sushi: 398.13 (90.5%)

Not sure how to go about figuring the delay with and without haste and then the math for how worse/better it is with these accu rates. :s

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Why haven't I taken the damn War Hoop out? I tend to be healing and want the CHR.

Why those foods? Pizza for undead (when I Einherjar or positive I'm not gonna die and it's cheap/when I'm cheap), Squid is my general go to, Tuna for the CHR when I am healing.

Why do I keep linking the items? Cause I'm bored and type fast enough to include it.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-03-25 03:26:07  
Quote:
Switch out bod for rape and hands for dusk (drop DEX+36 to 28):

w/ Squid Sushi +1: 405.072 (94%)

This is the best one here, unless
Quote:
Switch out bod for rape and hands & feet for dusk (drop DEX+36 to 25):

the Dusk feet here are +1, in which case
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w/ Squid Sushi +1: 403.332 (93.1%)

is the best there.
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