@Jetz, science isn't 100% fact, for sure. Which is why there are theories and such, but these theories do have much research behind them and evidence that shows it is more likely than not.
Does this make it fact? Of course not. Does it make it more believable than "god is real because the bible says so", definitely, in my opinion.
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Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?
Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Trelan said:
I believe Earth is your staging point before Heaven/Hell. Good=Heaven Bad=Hell It would be fortuitous for us to think that all of the Bible stories are "verbatim" after being pasted down word of mouth for thousands of years. Look at all of the science, how did it get here? I don't have the answers to all of the questions you may have or the retort to all of the mockery you would like to make of God. I can only offer this, there was a point in my life were I didn't believe, now that I do, my life is better and I am a better person. Coincidence? Maybe. However if we go by the needs proof theory I offer this - My life better with God than it was without. I do believe in "all paths" so in my eyes all good people belong in Heaven. Please remember that I am not an expert. I accept that you may not believe, just try do the right things and this world will be a better place. :)
No but Faith may help you improve the already great person you are! I'm not saying be good to avoid hell, I'm saying be a good person so that we can try to make Heaven on Earth. That is what working for the Kingdom is all about.
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Psyence I have read only 4 or 5 pages of this thread. I must say from what I read, you presented yourself and your position very well. A very rational and logical stance. You probably touched on how when it comes to religion people turn off the critical thinking/evaluation skills that has allowed the human species to progress as far as we have. One can only imagine how far we would have come if we were never hindered by various primitive superstitions which helps keep us divided.
Indoctrination is a very powerful thing. Up until recently I just started eating pork again because of how I was raised not to eat it. Something as small and simple as food. Now to have a whole belief system coming from people who loves and raised you, that's another thing all together. I can't even imagine how hard that must be to be able to have the courage and inner conviction to break free from a thing that has had it's hands on you before you were born.
These people are victims of culture/indoctrination. The irrational positions, the mind numbing logical fallacies, the pure ignorance of absolute certainty are mostly taught to them at young ages and that it's virtuous to be this way. People always wonder how can some very intelligent people still believe in this. I love this quote that goes something like this "If you have a big brain with more neural transmitters, you can learn to be stupid faster, it depends on who you associate with" lol
Indoctrination is a very powerful thing. Up until recently I just started eating pork again because of how I was raised not to eat it. Something as small and simple as food. Now to have a whole belief system coming from people who loves and raised you, that's another thing all together. I can't even imagine how hard that must be to be able to have the courage and inner conviction to break free from a thing that has had it's hands on you before you were born.
These people are victims of culture/indoctrination. The irrational positions, the mind numbing logical fallacies, the pure ignorance of absolute certainty are mostly taught to them at young ages and that it's virtuous to be this way. People always wonder how can some very intelligent people still believe in this. I love this quote that goes something like this "If you have a big brain with more neural transmitters, you can learn to be stupid faster, it depends on who you associate with" lol
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Honestly, you or anyone else can believe in what they want, but just don't push it on me and we're fine. I do believe in the same things, though, in the sense of try to do the right thing.
The bible is filled w/ holes and conflicts, which is why I don't believe in it.
One major conflict is adam and eve.
God "creates" humanity on the 6th day.
Why do dinosaur fossils go back 65 million years, but the earliest species of human ancestry (and not even humans, but human like species) date back no more than 3.5 million years.
The bible is filled w/ holes and conflicts, which is why I don't believe in it.
One major conflict is adam and eve.
God "creates" humanity on the 6th day.
Why do dinosaur fossils go back 65 million years, but the earliest species of human ancestry (and not even humans, but human like species) date back no more than 3.5 million years.
Why did Adam get so *** old. 930 years!
If there is a supreme being, which I don't personally believe there is, which religion would be the correct one. What personally makes anyone feel that the religion they feel is the correct one. How many religions are there? Hundreds? Thousands? Most of which contradict one another. If there were one that was true, there is an incredibly small chance of the correct one being yours.
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Honestly, you or anyone else can believe in what they want, but just don't push it on me and we're fine. I do believe in the same things, though, in the sense of try to do the right thing. The bible is filled w/ holes and conflicts, which is why I don't believe in it. One major conflict is adam and eve. God "creates" humanity on the 6th day. Why do dinosaur fossils go back 65 million years, but the earliest species of human ancestry (and not even humans, but human like species) date back no more than 3.5 million years.
Look to your Science for the answers. Scientist believe that dinosaurs, etc grew to be so large and live so long because the Earth was so rich with oxygen. Also, time references can be merky. As the universe expands Earth days become longer little by little. God created man(end of 6th day) after the beast(6th) and birds/sea creatures(5th) for the dino question. Guys I don't have all the answers, that's kinda what Faith is about.
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Science has built in it a self correcting process. With that in place we can look back and say, hey new information came along that proved this old answer was incorrect, then make the changes. That process is not present in religions. Religions changes/adapts when overwhelming information makes them look ridiculous in holding on to their old ways of thinking. I am sure I don't have to make a list to prove that.
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
If there is a supreme being, which I don't personally believe there is, which religion would be the correct one. What personally makes anyone feel that the religion they feel is the correct one. How many religions are there? Hundreds? Thousands? Most of which contradict one another. If there were one that was true, there is an incredibly small chance of the correct one being yours.
Is why I believe in "all paths." Most religions believe in most of the same basic values.
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Yea, it's all good. Like I said, you can believe in what you want. Makes no difference on what I think of you as a person. It's not like I go "Hey if you're religious I hate you!", though there are some groups, not saying yours in particular or anything, of religious people who don't like those not in their religion.
I just plain don't trust someone who sat down and wrote all of that in the bible and to accept it because he claims god told him to.
I just plain don't trust someone who sat down and wrote all of that in the bible and to accept it because he claims god told him to.
Guys you're all so angry, we are peaceful god loving people and we're only trying to help you get into heaven with us. Science has helped us a lot, but it can also be wrong that's why they change learned information as they gather new information. I would say that one day you will find the right information about god from science, but truth is he doesn't want everyone to "know" he wants them to "believe" and have faith in him.
You tell me to open my mind but it's not closed I just see the light, you should try it. You will understand the love of God and how he can change your life, you just have to open your heart and let him in.
I don't want to see you guys burn in hell because you like to sin, God hasn't did anything wrong to you, or anyone for that matter that didn't deserve it. He only let things happen to test our faith and make us stronger. It's for the best, you will see if you let him your heart.
You need god most of all Tigerwoods, I have see what you did on the news, and that is very sad. I'm glad you're back playing golf again though, I just hope you changed your ways and will accept god now. He can heal you of your lustful appetite.
You tell me to open my mind but it's not closed I just see the light, you should try it. You will understand the love of God and how he can change your life, you just have to open your heart and let him in.
I don't want to see you guys burn in hell because you like to sin, God hasn't did anything wrong to you, or anyone for that matter that didn't deserve it. He only let things happen to test our faith and make us stronger. It's for the best, you will see if you let him your heart.
You need god most of all Tigerwoods, I have see what you did on the news, and that is very sad. I'm glad you're back playing golf again though, I just hope you changed your ways and will accept god now. He can heal you of your lustful appetite.
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Hey Tiger, The thing about religion is even if they don't try to force it to you, the people in charge believe this and then make policies based on their beliefs which will ultimately effect you. So to me, I am not down with the live and let live ideal because realistically that's no where near being the case. All you have to do is look at what's been going on with the texas school system.
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Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said:
Guys you're all so angry, we are peaceful god loving people and we're only trying to help you get into heaven with us. Science has helped us a lot, but it can also be wrong that's why they change learned information as they gather new information. I would say that one day you will find the right information about god from science, but truth is he doesn't want everyone to "know" he wants them to "believe" and have faith in him.
You tell me to open my mind but it's not closed I just see the light, you should try it. You will understand the love of God and how he can change your life, you just have to open your heart and let him in.
I don't want to see you guys burn in hell because you like to sin, God hasn't did anything wrong to you, or anyone for that matter that didn't deserve it. He only let things happen to test our faith and make us stronger. It's for the best, you will see if you let him your heart.
You need god most of all Tigerwoods, I have see what you did on the news, and that is very sad. I'm glad you're back playing golf again though, I just hope you changed your ways and will accept god now. He can heal you of your lustful appetite.
You tell me to open my mind but it's not closed I just see the light, you should try it. You will understand the love of God and how he can change your life, you just have to open your heart and let him in.
I don't want to see you guys burn in hell because you like to sin, God hasn't did anything wrong to you, or anyone for that matter that didn't deserve it. He only let things happen to test our faith and make us stronger. It's for the best, you will see if you let him your heart.
You need god most of all Tigerwoods, I have see what you did on the news, and that is very sad. I'm glad you're back playing golf again though, I just hope you changed your ways and will accept god now. He can heal you of your lustful appetite.
Wow, lol. Idk whether to take this seriously or just laugh. You trollin bro?
I was abit disappointed to see some of my simple post getting rated down fast and hard so I looked through the thread and have discovered a trend with the people here that believe in God. I didn't tell anyone they were wrong, nor was I judgemental or unpleasant. So either there are a ton of Aethist here, or I am crazy, or both. Either way I hope that all of you have many blessing/ good fortune/ exceptional luck with everything you do and I will leave it at that. Be a good person and more than likely good things will happen to you!
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Odin.Trelan said:
I was abit disappointed to see some of my simple post getting rated down fast and hard so I looked through the thread and have discovered a trend with the people here that believe in God. I didn't tell anyone they were wrong, nor was I judgemental or unpleasant. So either there are a ton of Aethist here, or I am crazy, or both. Either way I hope that all of you have many blessing/ good fortune/ exceptional luck with everything you do and I will leave it at that. Be a good person and more than likely good things will happen to you!
I know tre, this is what happens when you try to help people that don't want it.... I was being nice taking time out of my day and they all rate me down because they are closed minded. It saddens my heart.
"we are peaceful god loving people" Clearly you have not read the bible.
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I am not suggesting you did Tiger. Also, I wasn't so much telling people what to believe, I was telling them what I believe, which I thought was what this topic had evolved to. I may be confused and I apoligize if I stepped on anyones toes. So we have different beliefs? We all still have that little voice that tells us wrong from right. Whether you believe it is God or Fred Flintstone, so long as you listen to the voice telling you to be a good person, you are "all right" in my book! ^^
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What people need to understood is the love that is preached in the bible was only meant for those who believe as you do. It was made with the idea of YOUR community not outsiders. Now people use the verses generally, speaking like it was meant to include everyone. Which is kinda ironic when the book clearly shows how they treated outsides of the religion and even those in it.
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Why is everyone so focused on the bible? Or religion at all for that matter? Everything on Earth that documents God could be pure ***, and there would still be the possibility that He exists.
Religion: If you don't believe in it, why does it bother you?
I believe in religion but I'm not religious. Does it bother me? not really unless someone takes religion to a fanatical level and strap a bomb to their chest and yell ALLAH! and blow themselves up. Or when white hooded individuals burn a cross and drag a black person 30 miles behind a pickup truck and say Praise Jesus. Believe in what you want. People saying that they are peaceful "god" (should be God) loving people, those people are highly mistaken. No one is peaceful, no one is that loving. If you look at the history of the human race, across every single country/culture you find remnants,remains,text~history of wars, battles, conflicts. Everyday in many parts of the world people are killing people. Either intentionally or accidental. If we were peaceful no one should be dying that often from human causes. Everyone has a bit of hate,envy,jealousy in them. Like the time when you were up for W.legs but the new guy lotted them. If you were really peaceful, you wouldn't need profanity to help prove your point at the dinner table.
For those people who say they're god loving. Well I thought mythological gods like Zeus, Hades, Hera were called gods. Christian/Jewsih/Islamic god is pronounced with a captial [G]. Are you really that God loving? Do you attend your place of worship every sunday? Do you take your 5~7 prayers towards Meca every day? Well I hope youdo if you say you are God Loving. Religion shouldn't bother you because more than 75% of the world believes in something. If you're that worked up over someone elses beliefs then man up and grow a pair and stop being a baby. Just because someone is different than you doesn't mean you have to hate them instantly. No matter what race, creed or gender people should proove their worth and let society as a whole think of them based on that instead of just exterior looks.
Oh and btw, if you say you're a Satanist and you worship Lucifer, you're not really a Satanist. You're infact a Luciferian. theres a difference get it right.
and the bible is just a glorified history book
I believe in religion but I'm not religious. Does it bother me? not really unless someone takes religion to a fanatical level and strap a bomb to their chest and yell ALLAH! and blow themselves up. Or when white hooded individuals burn a cross and drag a black person 30 miles behind a pickup truck and say Praise Jesus. Believe in what you want. People saying that they are peaceful "god" (should be God) loving people, those people are highly mistaken. No one is peaceful, no one is that loving. If you look at the history of the human race, across every single country/culture you find remnants,remains,text~history of wars, battles, conflicts. Everyday in many parts of the world people are killing people. Either intentionally or accidental. If we were peaceful no one should be dying that often from human causes. Everyone has a bit of hate,envy,jealousy in them. Like the time when you were up for W.legs but the new guy lotted them. If you were really peaceful, you wouldn't need profanity to help prove your point at the dinner table.
For those people who say they're god loving. Well I thought mythological gods like Zeus, Hades, Hera were called gods. Christian/Jewsih/Islamic god is pronounced with a captial [G]. Are you really that God loving? Do you attend your place of worship every sunday? Do you take your 5~7 prayers towards Meca every day? Well I hope youdo if you say you are God Loving. Religion shouldn't bother you because more than 75% of the world believes in something. If you're that worked up over someone elses beliefs then man up and grow a pair and stop being a baby. Just because someone is different than you doesn't mean you have to hate them instantly. No matter what race, creed or gender people should proove their worth and let society as a whole think of them based on that instead of just exterior looks.
Oh and btw, if you say you're a Satanist and you worship Lucifer, you're not really a Satanist. You're infact a Luciferian. theres a difference get it right.
and the bible is just a glorified history book
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Honestly, you or anyone else can believe in what they want, but just don't push it on me and we're fine. I do believe in the same things, though, in the sense of try to do the right thing. The bible is filled w/ holes and conflicts, which is why I don't believe in it. One major conflict is adam and eve. God "creates" humanity on the 6th day. Why do dinosaur fossils go back 65 million years, but the earliest species of human ancestry (and not even humans, but human like species) date back no more than 3.5 million years.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/longlife.html#OUwax7WIzXIn
That was *** beautiful Darkshade.
/bow
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That was the knock out punch on the first swing in the first round. You a baaaaaad boy Darkshade lol
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At this point, I'm really turned off by the condescending tone of nearly everyone's posts....
I'll respond to any previous replies that I haven't been able to devote sufficient time via PMs (Spicyryan, Psyence, and I think Maruraba several pages back).
Think of it this way, guys--you're all no better than those hypocritical religious fanatics labeling everyone whose ideals differ from theirs as ignorant if you keep this up.
I'll respond to any previous replies that I haven't been able to devote sufficient time via PMs (Spicyryan, Psyence, and I think Maruraba several pages back).
Think of it this way, guys--you're all no better than those hypocritical religious fanatics labeling everyone whose ideals differ from theirs as ignorant if you keep this up.
Asura.Bartimaeus said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
At this point, I'm really turned off by the condescending tone of nearly everyone's posts....
I'll respond to any previous replies that I haven't been able to devote sufficient time via PMs (Spicyryan, Psyence, and I think Maruraba several pages back).
Think of it this way, guys--you're all no better than those hypocritical religious fanatics labeling everyone whose ideals differ from theirs as ignorant if you keep this up.
I'll respond to any previous replies that I haven't been able to devote sufficient time via PMs (Spicyryan, Psyence, and I think Maruraba several pages back).
Think of it this way, guys--you're all no better than those hypocritical religious fanatics labeling everyone whose ideals differ from theirs as ignorant if you keep this up.
That was happening for like.. the last 25 pages.. lol.
It's just hard for some people to believe that having multiple views of the world could POSSIBLY be alright, and actually helpful and healthy.
I agree. I've seen far worse people in previous threads, basically telling me I'm wrong for being Agnostic, and that didn't seem to bother anyone so...
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