Spharai Vs. Destroyers
Spharai vs. Destroyers
Wish people would explain why they rate down if they disagree with my point of view lol. I was just pointing out mnk/war in merit doesnt rly exist is the truth of the matter everytime ive merrited with vegetto or any other mnk we are all sub nin. Simply because it would be mp rape and the monk would pull hate almost instantly until a 2hander ws's.
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mainly because of mamools and ws that can 1shot a CS bersrek mnk. As far as birds goes, mnk/war is fine if the pt doesn't suck
Never merrited with you or any monk mnk/war on mamool or colibri albeit I have only merrited with you maybe 4-5times. I was curious tho when you said about destroyers not even ranking within top 3 hand 2 hand im assuming theyre 4th tho right? spharai >> shenlong >> glanz >> destroyer?
K thanks Dasva your like my own personal wiki. Come to Sylph :D Also guys as MNK/NIN your going to keep shadows up birds don't live long enough for them to fall unless your an idiot, cannot counter, he'd also need to know AGI from gear, (lolMerits?), and base AGI, guarding skill, it's too much. But under basic conditions the math suggests Spharai will outparse Destroyers. TY again Dasva
I think he put it Shenlong > Spharai > Glanzfaust > Hades +1 > Destroyers
Also I just put shenlong first because someone on our server has, says they're better than Spharai (his LS mate has) which are better than glanzfaust.
Also I just put shenlong first because someone on our server has, says they're better than Spharai (his LS mate has) which are better than glanzfaust.
Yea bas cause the pts we did on birds were not made by me. I don't do mnk/war on mamools for a reason. Can get 1shotted. If i personally make the pt, have ppl i can trust mnk/war is np, but then again I wouldn't even be mnk.
Spharai aren't the only H2H that outparse Destroyers. Faith Bagh's and Hades +1 are also better.
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As for h2h order, spharai and shenlongs depends on your acc. Any situation u can fully benefit the acc, shenlongs definitely. Capped acc ect, spharai. Glanz idk about. you could do math in theory but no way to tell how often you're actually going to be able to maintain t3 aftermath and if yo ucan't then they're just pieces of ***.
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Shenlong's are not better than Spharai. On average Spharai are 3-5% better.
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Now the destroyer vs hades+1 maths comes out...
@Wat if acc capped on both, yea, but rly depends where ur acc is sitting. But w/ pizza+1 should be capped most of the time. Shenlongs are not to be underestimated though. 21 DMG vs 23, spharai only have 2 DMG more, 3 str is enough to put up your fstr by 1 75% of the time.
Any time that does happen you have 22 dmg vs 23 dmg
22 dmg 51 delay 1% da 1-2 attack 10 acc vs 23 DMG 20 attack 10% counter 86 delay and x3 proc (which only works for mainhand btw offhand can't proc this)
Any time that does happen you have 22 dmg vs 23 dmg
22 dmg 51 delay 1% da 1-2 attack 10 acc vs 23 DMG 20 attack 10% counter 86 delay and x3 proc (which only works for mainhand btw offhand can't proc this)
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Cerberus.Watanabie said:
Spharai aren't the only H2H that outparse Destroyers. Faith Bagh's and Hades 1 are also better.
Hades+1 really better? Was tempted to get some when I got nq pair last week for pup.
At the moment im working on Stage 4 Spharai, and in no position to be getting Shenlong's anytime before i finish Spharai.
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Hades+1 really better? Was tempted to get some when I got nq pair last week for pup.
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The crits are actually pretty meh, will be less than 6% increase (like most other stats don't get better as stacked but actually less of a return) and only applies to DoT offers nothing to ws.
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Aye, with capped crit merit's as well as the dex you get from gear, Destroyers only add 3-5% crit for me personally.
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Bit too close to fork out 14m for hades+1 atm for till we see where these new lvl caps go. But I personally dont think any owners of Spharai/Shenlongs need to worry im sure these 2 will always, till game dies be most superior hand2hand weapons with the correct trial of magian quest augments.
If I had to pick between spharai and shenlongs, only having 1, I'd go shenlongs, personally.
I'll admit Shenlong's look cooler than Spharai. But being as far into relic upgrading as I am...I'll take Spharai over Shenlong's. Maybe in time I'll have both and just sextify parties with my MNKness.
Cerberus.Watanabie said:
I'll admit Shenlong's look cooler than Spharai. But being as far into relic upgrading as I am...I'll take Spharai over Shenlong's. Maybe in time I'll have both and just sextify parties with my MNKness.
What stage of which relic are you on? Im assuming stage 4 of h2h?
Cerberus.Watanabie said:
At the moment im working on Stage 4 Spharai, and in no position to be getting Shenlong's anytime before i finish Spharai.
I have stage 3 atm, if i got a pair of shenlongs, I'd sell my currency
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Siren.Kyte said:
That math doesn't account for the Counter 10 either, which would increase damage and survivability. I would maybe argue that the counter enhancement is the most important thing about them; it makes them more than just a simple DD upgrade.
Oh no, I wasn't actually suggesting that the counter should be modeled- only that they were more useful and would parse a bit higher than a mathematical comparison only on the basis of their other stats would indicate.
to add to what's been said there are versions of Fay relic weapons that are better than hades sainti +1, but you need insane luck.
Fairy.Vegetto said:
I have stage 3 atm, if i got a pair of shenlongs, I'd sell my currency
Was talking to other dude. You still working on it? I thought you were more fond of your SAM figured you'd do Amano. ALSO anyone find it weird that SAM can use Yoich but not Gungnir?
I think part of the whole omg destroyers are the best is cause well they used to be. Like pre-AU days. Not only were most those better ones not out but generally the mobs you were had more def you had less att which just makes the crit hits that much better
Sylph.Sindri said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
I have stage 3 atm, if i got a pair of shenlongs, I'd sell my currency
Was talking to other dude. You still working on it? I thought you were more fond of your SAM figured you'd do Amano. ALSO anyone find it weird that SAM can use Yoich but not Gungnir?
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