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By Titan.Marzbarz 2010-01-14 17:20:54
Valefor.Mattyc said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Valefor.Mattyc said: i dont think people knew what they signed up for, i think alot of people wanted to look tough only to get killed,people in high school who got picked on n such are the ones usually, like my little brother, none of the u.s problems were ours, there all created between our presidents and there "defense" of our country, that our "freedom of speech" was silenced.*** war shouldnt even have to use guns for diplomacy thats why we all have a mouth to speak out of.
Lol, u got me in again, if you join the military you should know, if you didn't then why did you join... And peace is the person with the bigger stick, thats why guns are needed for diplomacy. If talking it out fails then you duke it out
true but my point is theres no need for death over stupid ***, id have to agree with Veg not my problem,just upset still that people die for problems that they didnt create. I agree
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By Sylph.Megumii 2010-01-14 17:21:16
Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included
there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel
wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion.
Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool?
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-14 17:21:59
Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion. Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
that is very blunt, and people would like to think that the human race is past that point but that is much to idealistic and romantic lol
I mean we owe 1,000,000,000,000 dollars to the chinese and theyre making money like crazy out of afghanistan, we're doing china's dirty work in afghanistan for sure with 0 payment from them
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By Fenrir.Ktjrn 2010-01-14 17:22:55
Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included
there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel
wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion.
Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool?
i agree w/ megumi's comment ^^^ it's all about greed. people always want what they can't have. and if they can't get it.. fight is on. That's what started this war in the first place, and it goes years back, to '92!
it's sad that men, women, our young and seasoned soldiers are dying at the expense of profit for an ex-president and his oil tycoon buddies.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-01-14 17:23:12
Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included
there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel
wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion.
Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool?
Yes, sadly there are people with that train of thought.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-01-14 17:23:37
Valefor.Mattyc said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Valefor.Mattyc said: i dont think people knew what they signed up for, i think alot of people wanted to look tough only to get killed,people in high school who got picked on n such are the ones usually, like my little brother, none of the u.s problems were ours, there all created between our presidents and there "defense" of our country, that our "freedom of speech" was silenced.*** war shouldnt even have to use guns for diplomacy thats why we all have a mouth to speak out of.
Lol, u got me in again, if you join the military you should know, if you didn't then why did you join... And peace is the person with the bigger stick, thats why guns are needed for diplomacy. If talking it out fails then you duke it out
true but my point is theres no need for death over stupid ***, id have to agree with Veg not my problem,just upset still that people die for problems that they didnt create.
Then don't join, if you join you should know. Hell I'm all for no troops dying, just drop a bomb instead.
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By Bahamut.Pjohn 2010-01-14 17:23:49
Gilgamesh.Andras said: Valefor.Mattyc said: i dont think people knew what they signed up for, i think alot of people wanted to look tough only to get killed,people in high school who got picked on n such are the ones usually, like my little brother, none of the u.s problems were ours, there all created between our presidents and there "defense" of our country, that our "freedom of speech" was silenced.*** war shouldnt even have to use guns for diplomacy thats why we all have a mouth to speak out of.
Lol, u got me in again, if you join the military you should know, if you didn't then why did you join... And peace is the person with the bigger stick, thats why guns are needed for diplomacy. If talking it out fails then you duke it out
you take this kid that sees little to no hope for college. Promise him a big GI bill, a 20k signing bonus, promise him he'll never see war time, promise him he can choose where he is stationed and start naming off places like Hawaii, Italy ect. promise him he can go to school while enlisted. Then papers signed and next thing you know you are on your 3rd duty in Irac some longer than the 8~12 months. When you get home you are pulling ridiculous 12 hour duties making school while enlisted impossible.
I would compare recruiters to used car salesmen but then I'd be insulting the salesman :D
Every single one of my friends will tell you the armed services was not what they expected when they signed in.
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2010-01-14 17:24:36
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said: Am I allowed to troll this yet/more? :D:D:D Maybe slow down since it looks like it might go somewhere. lol
In general my attitude towards politics is at the very least be self-aware about whether you should or shouldn't speak out about something depending upon whether you're informed and know what you're talking about or not. Politics is hard that way in that in order to actually create an informed opinion on something you not only need to be aware of current issues but also be aware of how those reflect on past events. I gave it my best shot during the elections and a few months afterward to actually feel like I know something, but staying up on things and trying to sift through all the news spin and find the facts is ..really, really depressing. lol I wouldn't say I'm to the point of intelligently commenting on any of this anymore and I'd say the same for a handful of names in this thread so far.
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-14 17:25:29
Sylph.Beelshamen said: Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion. Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources. You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool? Yes, sadly there are people with that train of thought.
Lol, grow up~ Your idealistic view of humanity is far from correct
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-01-14 17:25:41
Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included
there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel
wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion.
Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool?
Lol, no, because thats not what I meant, If i wanted to start a colony in his pool maybe? lol, if his pool could make me money? or give resources I need? I mean comparing a house to a country isnt really easy.
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By Titan.Marzbarz 2010-01-14 17:26:01
Bahamut.Pjohn said:
you take this kid that sees little to no hope for college. Promise him a big GI bill, a 20k signing bonus, promise him he'll never see war time, promise him he can choose where he is stationed and start naming off places like Hawaii, Italy ect. promise him he can go to school while enlisted. Then papers signed and next thing you know you are on your 3rd duty in Irac some longer than the 8~12 months. When you get home you are pulling ridiculous 12 hour duties making school while enlisted impossible.
I would compare recruiters to used car salesmen but then I'd be insulting the salesman :D
Every single one of my friends will tell you the armed services was not what they expected when they signed in.
..and thats EXACTLY right. maybe even sugar coated a little XD
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-01-14 17:27:03
Bahamut.Pjohn said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Valefor.Mattyc said: i dont think people knew what they signed up for, i think alot of people wanted to look tough only to get killed,people in high school who got picked on n such are the ones usually, like my little brother, none of the u.s problems were ours, there all created between our presidents and there "defense" of our country, that our "freedom of speech" was silenced.*** war shouldnt even have to use guns for diplomacy thats why we all have a mouth to speak out of.
Lol, u got me in again, if you join the military you should know, if you didn't then why did you join... And peace is the person with the bigger stick, thats why guns are needed for diplomacy. If talking it out fails then you duke it out
you take this kid that sees little to no hope for college. Promise him a big GI bill, a 20k signing bonus, promise him he'll never see war time, promise him he can choose where he is stationed and start naming off places like Hawaii, Italy ect. promise him he can go to school while enlisted. Then papers signed and next thing you know you are on your 3rd duty in Irac some longer than the 8~12 months. When you get home you are pulling ridiculous 12 hour duties making school while enlisted impossible.
I would compare recruiters to used car salesmen but then I'd be insulting the salesman :D
Every single one of my friends will tell you the armed services was not what they expected when they signed in.
Recruiters are like salesmen... thats their job.
But still, you should still have an idea, no matter how small, of what you're getting yourself into.
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By Sylph.Megumii 2010-01-14 17:27:48
Gilgamesh.Andras said: Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included
there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel
wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion.
Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool?
Lol, no, because thats not what I meant, If i wanted to start a colony in his pool maybe? lol, if his pool could make me money? or give resources I need? I mean comparing a house to a country isnt really easy.
Alright then let's say the war was over oil (an example, bollocks to whether it's true or not)
Instead of invading/killing to get the oil why didn't we just buy/trade them for the oil? Their country gains and their economy gets better and we get the oil we want? I realise this is simple and idealistic and that stuff would never happen like that but I just don't see why it can't.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-01-14 17:27:59
Phoenix.Airbag said: Lol, grow up~ Your idealistic view of humanity is far from correct
I don't think I've ever projected my view on humanity on these forums and I doubt I ever will.
Does it offend you I'm not a greedy, abusive ***?
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-01-14 17:28:03
Fenrir.Ktjrn said: Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included
there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel
wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion.
Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool?
i agree w/ megumi's comment ^^^ it's all about greed. people always want what they can't have. and if they can't get it.. fight is on. That's what started this war in the first place, and it goes years back, to '92!
it's sad that men, women, our young and seasoned soldiers are dying at the expense of profit for an ex-president and his oil tycoon buddies.
since when is war not over resources...
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By Siren.Avina 2010-01-14 17:28:45
Valefor.Mattyc said: Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra said: Lakshmi.Kitrah said: Titan.Marzbarz said: Oh of course sorry. I should have gone on Wiki and copy pasted all and any info I could find
Yes, you should have. It would've made you look less ignorant.
Research ftw! ^_^
Copypasting wiki is not reasearch.
copy and pasting makes you look "more ignorant" because anyone can do it, reading and understanding is FTW.
Instead of crying about how he might have copied and pasted stuff from a wiki, you could do something that might help your argument, for example, going through and listing alternate viewpoints to the articles that he cited. Or some other evidence that further helps your viewpoint.
It's true, doesn't take much to copy and paste something. But all you bashing him for this are more or less saying "WTF you can't bring actual facts into this!?"
Instead you've just left the content of his post alone. Does this suggest you have no counterpoint? It certainly seems that way.
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-14 17:29:13
Sylph.Beelshamen said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Lol, grow up~ Your idealistic view of humanity is far from correct I don't think I've ever projected my view on humanity on these forums and I doubt I ever will. Does it offend you I'm not a greedy, abusive ***?
No, but its shocking you dont realize that a large portion of the world is
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By Sylph.Megumii 2010-01-14 17:29:20
Gilgamesh.Andras said: Fenrir.Ktjrn said: Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included
there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel
wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion.
Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool?
i agree w/ megumi's comment ^^^ it's all about greed. people always want what they can't have. and if they can't get it.. fight is on. That's what started this war in the first place, and it goes years back, to '92!
it's sad that men, women, our young and seasoned soldiers are dying at the expense of profit for an ex-president and his oil tycoon buddies.
since when is war not over resources...
when it's about religion? or something else that doesn't match up for an actual good reason to go to war and kill people because no reason exists.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-01-14 17:29:32
Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included
there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel
wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion.
Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool?
Lol, no, because thats not what I meant, If i wanted to start a colony in his pool maybe? lol, if his pool could make me money? or give resources I need? I mean comparing a house to a country isnt really easy.
Alright then let's say the war was over oil (an example, bollocks to whether it's true or not)
Instead of invading/killing to get the oil why didn't we just buy/trade them for the oil? Their country gains and their economy gets better and we get the oil we want? I realise this is simple and idealistic and that stuff would never happen like that but I just don't see why it can't.
Idk, because one side would try to screw the other over and it wouldn't really work, so going to war seems to be an alternative.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-01-14 17:30:20
If you don't vote, I personally don't think you have the right to complain.
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By Ramuh.Lilbusta 2010-01-14 17:30:29
Bahamut.Pjohn said: you take this kid that sees little to no hope for college. Promise him a big GI bill, a 20k signing bonus, promise him he'll never see war time, promise him he can choose where he is stationed and start naming off places like Hawaii, Italy ect. promise him he can go to school while enlisted. Then papers signed and next thing you know you are on your 3rd duty in Irac some longer than the 8~12 months. When you get home you are pulling ridiculous 12 hour duties making school while enlisted impossible. I would compare recruiters to used car salesmen but then I'd be insulting the salesman :D Every single one of my friends will tell you the armed services was not what they expected when they signed in.
/bow
Right now it's like you're still deployed even though you're in the states. Gotta pull longer shifts to keep the mission at home rolling otherwise it'll affect the "real" mission going on overseas.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-01-14 17:32:04
Gilgamesh.Andras said: since when is war not over resources...
There are always two sides on a war.
Take for example the British Empire. The British Empire has in the past fought many wars for conquest. Australia, India, Africa etc etc. The colonies would be used to produce goods for the British Empire. But that's one side of the coin. The British Empire fought for conquest. The countries that defended their lands fought for self preservation.
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By Bahamut.Kaioshin 2010-01-14 17:32:25
Bismarck.Altar said: Bahamut.Kaioshin said: Bismarck.Altar said: Bahamut.Kaioshin said: Iraq isn't over oil Wrong. Sorry. Source and facts or it didn't happen. Before you swear something is a thing, make sure it's not an opinion. I could retort w/ the exact same thing really... . Gilgamesh.Andras said: If it is over oil, who cares, war for resources Oh Noes! Moreso the denial that it's over oil that's annoying really.
If we went to war over the oil, wouldn't we have more of it? wouldn't I not have to pay 3 dollars a gallon. Check the price of gas pre iraq war and now. It's actually more. It's not about oil, especially since a majority of the oil is in Kuwait and saudi arabia.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-01-14 17:32:34
Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Fenrir.Ktjrn said: Sylph.Megumii said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Phoenix.Airbag said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Lol, I wouldn't go to war even if they had another draft. If I personally have a problem w/ w/e it is the war is about, sure, but if it's a matter of which does not concern me, no *** way. Most wars don't concern the soldiers that are involved in it. Being a soldiers is following orders. Period. Which is why I would never "fight for my country" draft included
there are ligitimate wars too you know, not just this shitstorm in the middleeast thats been happening since the creation of israel
wars are always over something. shitstorm in the middleeast is over religion.
Honestly I only agree with going to war over land and resources.
You agree with people being killed because some other people want more land or more resources? Would you kill your neighbour if you wanted his pool?
i agree w/ megumi's comment ^^^ it's all about greed. people always want what they can't have. and if they can't get it.. fight is on. That's what started this war in the first place, and it goes years back, to '92!
it's sad that men, women, our young and seasoned soldiers are dying at the expense of profit for an ex-president and his oil tycoon buddies.
since when is war not over resources...
when it's about religion? or something else that doesn't match up for an actual good reason to go to war and kill people because no reason exists.
War is never good, but it is essential and will continue, for any reason, any at all.
Even if everyone on Earth looked identical and had the same race had same tone of voice blah blah blah
They would find another thing to fight over until the last person was standing
war over resources just seems like the best thing to go to war for
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By Pandemonium.Silvaria 2010-01-14 17:32:50
I had no choice but to vote for Obama. McCain was nothing more than George Bush Lite, and the idea of a...*shudder*...President Palin...was horrifying and nightmarish. Obama may not have been overly qualified, but she was nothing more than window dressing...as evidenced by the fact that she QUIT her governor job in the middle of her term because the big bad pwess people were being MEANIES. 8D
As for what he's done so far, I find it stunning that you people who are screaming about the amount of money he's spending didn't say a damn word when Bush was demanding a blank check for a ridiculous War in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11. I think he's doing the best he can, considering the horrible mess he was left. I don't agree with all his decisions, but there's certainly no evidence that McCain would have done ANY BETTER BY NOW.
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By Titan.Marzbarz 2010-01-14 17:32:53
Ramuh.Lilbusta said: Bahamut.Pjohn said: you take this kid that sees little to no hope for college. Promise him a big GI bill, a 20k signing bonus, promise him he'll never see war time, promise him he can choose where he is stationed and start naming off places like Hawaii, Italy ect. promise him he can go to school while enlisted. Then papers signed and next thing you know you are on your 3rd duty in Irac some longer than the 8~12 months. When you get home you are pulling ridiculous 12 hour duties making school while enlisted impossible. I would compare recruiters to used car salesmen but then I'd be insulting the salesman :D Every single one of my friends will tell you the armed services was not what they expected when they signed in.
/bow
Right now it's like you're still deployed even though you're in the states. Gotta pull longer shifts to keep the mission at home rolling otherwise it'll affect the "real" mission going on overseas. not to mention the physical, mental and emotional stress
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-01-14 17:33:20
Sylph.Beelshamen said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: since when is war not over resources...
There are always two sides on a war.
Take for example the British Empire. The British Empire has in the past fought many wars for conquest. Australia, India, Africa etc etc. The colonies would be used to produce good for the British Empire. But that's one side of the coin. The British Empire fought for conquest. The countries that defended their lands fought for self preservation.
lol, yea, the guys who started the war went for resources thou, defending a war is different
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-14 17:34:00
Sylph.Beelshamen said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: since when is war not over resources... There are always two sides on a war. Take for example the British Empire. The British Empire has in the past fought many wars for conquest. Australia, India, Africa etc etc. The colonies would be used to produce good for the British Empire. But that's one side of the coin. The British Empire fought for conquest. The countries that defended their lands fought for self preservation.
Thats obvious.. but as you said ^
It only takes one offending party to start a war
Bahamut.Kaioshin
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By Bahamut.Kaioshin 2010-01-14 17:34:00
Shiva.Flionheart said: If you don't vote, I personally don't think you have the right to complain.
This brits got a point.
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By Odin.Kalico 2010-01-14 17:34:08
Sad thing is we some how believe in this myth of our President actually runs the country is amazing. Every one well most every has bought into this american presidential BS. Obama does not control America in any shape or form and no american president has. Supprising as it may seem and actually most of you will refuse to believe it but a US president is only a liaison or better yet a figure head(puppet)for this country.
Predidents are used for scape goats Bush Obama Clinton Regan ect.... are all the same and take orders from Private Coperations and big buisness owners bankers ect.... ex. Rocafella's Kennedy's Morgan stanley
this list goes on. These people put the politicans in office who will push their personal adjendas. If you do a little reasearch or know anything about politics will understand this. Allowing the President to be seen as a leader and to give you the misconception that he actually make policies and has a tru say so as to who we war with send aid too ect... allows the people with "Old Money" to stay in power ( thats who actually runs america) and just switch up new faces(presidents) and run the "well i'll do better than the last guy" scam gimic all presidents run. Why because its their job to and thats why they are there to eat the ***when things go wrong. This is just a fact... This is just politics... reguardless of who you put in office... nothing will change
because... presidents do not have the power to change...... the country
only the people do....which is why a President is put in place to fool the people......
Yes, I know many of you don't have business degrees, and are probably don't even have anything higher than a high school education. Some of you are pro-Obama, pro-Socialist, and probably anti-corporation for whatever reason you feel is true.
So I'm going to dumb it down for you.
Obama is going to toss a tax to banks for repaying the TARP (thats the bailout money that Bush started, and he doubled as soon as he came into office) even though most of them already paid back their loans in full, or have not taken out a loan in the first place.
Its pretty much Robin Hood tactics, steal from the rich (or in this case, tax them) and give it to the poor (or in this case, the government, and I seriously doubt anyone would consider the government poor, even with the worlds biggest $1,000,000,000,000+ debt it owes). Except this won't be like the story, you aren't going to see one cent of this money.
What you will see, however, is more businesses going out in business thanks to the following: Higher fees to businesses for making loans, higher fees to the customers for monthly business (i.e. checking fees and all that) and more taxes to come when this looks to be "sucessful" in the short term.
Less businesses out there means less jobs for people to have, which also means higher unemployment.
Our major problem is not the national debt, but the unemployment rate, which is just under 10%.
We need to stop punishing the rich, it is not working. Has things really improved at all since Mr. Obama taken office? According to the most recent economic factors, it hasn't. The "improvements" that the media is showing lately is because of the year-by-year analysis from last year. We have slowed down our recession, but thats because of the huge dip it took right after Mr. Obama was elected, and it "improved" because we didn't take such a big dip as last year....
...I don't know about you, but downward is not improvement...
Taxing banks to recover "unrecoverable" money even though they had absolutly nothing to do with it is not the right solution.
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