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Regulate Religion, Not Guns.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 12:47:59
Pandemonium.Aravol said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Pandemonium.Aravol said: Fairy.Vegetto said: In the end it all goes to the "You can't prove he doesn't exist" argument and that's all fine and dandy to me, as my claim, which is correct, is that it is all just a theory. Basically it is just an unproven opinion, but we all have the right to an unproven opinion i guess. Sorta but it completely contradicts convientional logic. Why do you beleive 1 unproven thing but not others? Can't really use the you can't prove otherwise argument unless you actually believe everything until proven otherwise.  LOL i like the pic you posted. I understand everyone has there own views, and i am cool with that. WHen i tell my 5 yr old son i love him it would be hard for me to show him what love is in a "proof" standpoint, but i could just tell him i love him because i buy his clothes and food and take care of him and stuff. But would we truly understand the answer i would give him? He may or may not understand. You show it everyday. All the time. At that point it is up to him to believe you or to understand you are. You can't really show someone you love them without being there and well showing them.
My mom claims she loves. I know she exist and she actually says it. Or at least did the last time she actaully spoke to me or my dad. Hell she probably even believes it. She certainly does not show it though. And it certainly is not true.
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By Pandemonium.Aravol 2009-12-03 12:49:30
So basically Non believers need proof for God to exist. Proof to them, cant be given. One reason some of us beleive there is a God is because there is no proof of nonexistence. Vice Versa?
This discussion has hit a wall so peace out from here.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 12:51:01
this is exactly how Religion is depicted, and as you *** are debating about this here, there's a similar discussion on FB about Christmas.
Here's the topic... "Do Atheist people go Christmas shopping over the holidays>"
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-12-03 12:53:24
Well....do you?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 12:54:30
Pandemonium.Aravol said: So basically Non believers need proof for God to exist. Proof to them, cant be given. One reason some of us beleive there is a God is because there is no proof of nonexistence. Vice Versa? This discussion has hit a wall so peace out from here. But you see it isn't about non-believers are this way just about this. It is the normal thought process. Do you believe everything that cannot be proven? If not you can't use that as your reason for believing 1 thing that can't. Can't have your cake and eat it too!
"In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs."
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 12:54:52
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Well....do you?
Im not Atheist, I'm just "not religious", which means I don't practice the religion I was born into.
And yes, I do go Christmas shopping, Black Friday has great deals :)
Oh yeah, its MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 12:55:40
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Well....do you? Only when around family but it has nothing to do with religion. More like I don't like commercialism or fighting in lines or deciding to give random gifts to people who probably wont like them much while they do the same for you at certain times of the year.
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-12-03 12:56:03
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Well....do you?
Im not Atheist, I'm just "not religious", which means I don't practice the religion I was born into.
And yes, I do go Christmas shopping, Black Friday has great deals :)
Oh yeah, its MERRY CHRISTMAS!
I don't practice the religion I was born into either, but I'm religious.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 12:57:25
Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Well....do you? Only when around family but it has nothing to do with religion. More like I don't like commercialism or fighting in lines or deciding to give random gifts to people who probably wont like them much while they do the same for you at certain times of the year.
***, only other reason I go shopping on Black Fridays is for the violence. Of course, me and my lady work as a team, I run in and get a hold of bigger things we planned to buy, while she runs around with the cart for smaller stuff.
great exercise.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 12:57:59
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Well....do you?
Im not Atheist, I'm just "not religious", which means I don't practice the religion I was born into.
And yes, I do go Christmas shopping, Black Friday has great deals :)
Oh yeah, its MERRY CHRISTMAS!
I don't practice the religion I was born into either, but I'm religious.
so do you practice another religion?
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-12-03 12:58:44
Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Well....do you? Only when around family but it has nothing to do with religion. More like I don't like commercialism or fighting in lines or deciding to give random gifts to people who probably wont like them much while they do the same for you at certain times of the year.
Has nothing to do with religion? Really? The whole idea behind Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ. (Hence, CHRISTmas.) The three wise men offered gifts to him when he was born. You think that scientists just decided one day to exchange gifts on Christmas? It has a religious background, and you're practicing that in the most mundane way as possible. Just because it's been commercialized (what HASN'T been commercialized?) doesn't mean the roots simply disappear.
Quote: so do you practice another religion?
Yes, I do.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 13:01:45
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Well....do you? Only when around family but it has nothing to do with religion. More like I don't like commercialism or fighting in lines or deciding to give random gifts to people who probably wont like them much while they do the same for you at certain times of the year.
Has nothing to do with religion? Really? The whole idea behind Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ. (Hence, CHRISTmas.) The three wise men offered gifts to him when he was born. You think that scientists just decided one day to exchange gifts on Christmas? It has a religious background, and you're practicing that in the most mundane way as possible. Just because it's been commercialized (what HASN'T been commercialized?) doesn't mean the roots simply disappear.
Quote: so do you practice another religion?
Yes, I do.
meh, doesnt matter which one, they're all HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
As for Christmas, Jesus was born on March 29th, look it up.
Yeah, and its not because of scientists, its because of kids getting gifts on Christmas that makes it commercialized.
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-12-03 13:03:43
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Well....do you? Only when around family but it has nothing to do with religion. More like I don't like commercialism or fighting in lines or deciding to give random gifts to people who probably wont like them much while they do the same for you at certain times of the year.
Has nothing to do with religion? Really? The whole idea behind Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ. (Hence, CHRISTmas.) The three wise men offered gifts to him when he was born. You think that scientists just decided one day to exchange gifts on Christmas? It has a religious background, and you're practicing that in the most mundane way as possible. Just because it's been commercialized (what HASN'T been commercialized?) doesn't mean the roots simply disappear.
Quote: so do you practice another religion?
Yes, I do.
meh, doesnt matter which one, they're all HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
As for Christmas, Jesus was born on March 29th, look it up.
Yeah, and its not because of scientists, its because of kids getting gifts on Christmas that makes it commercialized.
Because everyone had Iphones and calendars back then, right?
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By Siren.Ashkente 2009-12-03 13:08:19
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Has nothing to do with religion? Really? The whole idea behind Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ. (Hence, CHRISTmas.) The three wise men offered gifts to him when he was born. You think that scientists just decided one day to exchange gifts on Christmas? It has a religious background, and you're practicing that in the most mundane way as possible. Just because it's been commercialized (what HASN'T been commercialized?) doesn't mean the roots simply disappear.
So it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that a nascent religion chose to "celebrate" it's holy days at/around already existing 'pagan' celebrations?
Your religion has a celebration in December? OURS DO TOO! /shock
And you have one around the spring equinox, based upon lunar cycles? SO DO WE!
And whilst I'm thinking about it, wtf does baking a ham have to do with the alleged birth of a deity made flesh? Even if he -did- exist, hmm, let's see, he would have been Arabic, and raised as a Jew.
Neither society eats pork in any form.
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-12-03 13:11:44
Hi. My name is Kat. I'm Pagan. Nice to meet you.
I don't tell Christians how to celebrate their holidays, or when. I'm simply stating the idiocy behind "I buy gifts for Christmas, but only cause it's commercialized lulz"
And the joke's on all you if you thought for a second I was a Christian. Retards...
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-03 13:15:43
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said:
this is exactly how Religion is depicted, and as you *** are debating about this here, there's a similar discussion on FB about Christmas.
Here's the topic... "Do Atheist people go Christmas shopping over the holidays>"
i bet they do which falls under what i typed on the last page.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-03 13:16:05
Bahamut.Stanflame said: Pandemonium.Aravol said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: Whats the meaning of life? everything people want to ask about that term aly just explained it. God probably wanted you to think for your selves if he exists or not. You have your freedom you are alive, well and enjoying what you were given be it creator, big bang etc. Whats to say god was not created with the big bang anyway? i agree so we can exist for who we truly are. Not put on a front for "God" to get goodies.
That is twofaced, God is not.
You are happy with your life? God should not interfere with people per say. God is not two faced never said he was. He supposedly gave people life, people fend for themselves and we do stuff on our own now. You still believe in god and do what he wants and think of heaven, hell and such and follow what he has left and what has been written in the bible. But at the same time atheist , or not religion is there. Aly stated she does not believe in got but, it was not in the sense most would think. She said she has all she needs here, she is living life to the fullest of her limits. You should not be worrying about anything else, when you die answers probably will come clear. People go to church and do bible school, let them be and do it. We are arguing over nothing is basically what people like aly is saying. I mean the OP is ignorant as an example, and pissed off lots of people. You choose your self what the meaning of life is to you, but ethics and morals come into play. Everyone knows the bible, I do not think no one thinks there is not a higher being or creator. It is probably in the reference of it as god and Christianity and other religions. If god was a powerful alien and he is sitting here, shocked people revere him as such... what if the guy goes by a different name or not? besides the numerous names he has in other religions?
I honestly , hope no one goes to hell for not thinking or believing in something =/. it is all here it is what we know whether there is a creator or not no one can't deny something is there, and there is some truths. it's all here no one can pop out of thin air and write such things, prophets, moses, jesus, etc.. it all came from some where. So everyone can't we all get along, take a chill pill.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 13:49:57
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Hi. My name is Kat. I'm Pagan. Nice to meet you.
I don't tell Christians how to celebrate their holidays, or when. I'm simply stating the idiocy behind "I buy gifts for Christmas, but only cause it's commercialized lulz"
And the joke's on all you if you thought for a second I was a Christian. Retards...
Hi Kat, my name is Kung, and I'm a Catholic.
I still say Merry Christmas, I like to drink, have pre-marital sex, and I don't trust anyone :)
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2009-12-03 14:26:59
As a biological sciences major, I find it incredibly funny people who haven't even delved into the deeper end of the pool of scientific theories and research still make it a point that "religious people are stupid and avoid scientific fact." I actually know several doctorate-level people who are religious whose lives are completely devoted to their research and church, and don't remain ignorant to either.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-12-03 14:35:51
I believe in Charizard. He will come in and save us all, except the water lovers. You are all doomed. If you love water, Charizard will show no mercy on your poor excuse of a soul.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 14:36:53
Ragnarok.Anye said: As a biological sciences major, I find it incredibly funny people who haven't even delved into the deeper end of the pool of scientific theories and research still make it a point that "religious people are stupid and avoid scientific fact." I actually know several doctorate-level people who are religious whose lives are completely devoted to their research and church, and don't remain ignorant to either. I find it odd that as a biological science major you claimed that enough evolution could've taken place to explain Noah's Ark
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-12-03 14:38:10
Ragnarok.Anye said: As a biological sciences major, I find it incredibly funny people who haven't even delved into the deeper end of the pool of scientific theories and research still make it a point that "religious people are stupid and avoid scientific fact." I actually know several doctorate-level people who are religious whose lives are completely devoted to their research and church, and don't remain ignorant to either. Gurl, you trowlin'.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 14:38:57
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Well....do you? Only when around family but it has nothing to do with religion. More like I don't like commercialism or fighting in lines or deciding to give random gifts to people who probably wont like them much while they do the same for you at certain times of the year. Has nothing to do with religion? Really? The whole idea behind Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ. (Hence, CHRISTmas.) The three wise men offered gifts to him when he was born. You think that scientists just decided one day to exchange gifts on Christmas? It has a religious background, and you're practicing that in the most mundane way as possible. Just because it's been commercialized (what HASN'T been commercialized?) doesn't mean the roots simply disappear. Ahem I was stating why I don't do Christmas. Ie that has nothing to do with religion. Really read all of what I read the rest should've made that obvious. Also as said before it wasn't originally Christian
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 14:42:23
Fairy.Vegetto said: I believe in Charizard. He will come in and save us all, except the water lovers. You are all doomed. If you love water, Charizard will show no mercy on your poor excuse of a soul.
I guess Im gonna stand behind Blastoise when Charizard comes back.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 14:52:33
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Fairy.Vegetto said: I believe in Charizard. He will come in and save us all, except the water lovers. You are all doomed. If you love water, Charizard will show no mercy on your poor excuse of a soul. I guess Im gonna stand behind Blastoise when Charizard comes back. Psh I got Chuck Norris!
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By Pandemonium.Vavaud 2009-12-03 15:03:39
Bahamut.Stanflame said: Fairy.Vegetto said: "Why does it offend you when I pray to my god?" It doesn't, but that doesn't mean I have to acknowledge whoever your god may be and believe it or not, some people get pissed because of that. "What effect does that have on you and your normal every day life?" If you pray, nothing. If you're going out of your way trying to convert me, it does have an effect. All depends on what you do with your beliefs, not the beliefs themselves. "It doesn't bother me that you don't belive the same as I do. Why does it bother you so much?" Maybe not to you personally, but there are some out there that do. I don't have a problem with people who believe in something, but I do have a problem with people trying to push those beliefs onto myself, ect. How stupid will you feel if you find out god exists?
It goes the same the other way. There's two ways to look at it. You either devote your whole life to a (or multiple) supreme deity and then die and find out you were right, and laugh at all the non-believers, or you die and find out you wasted your time.
In the end, we'll all find out when we die, so why not enjoy what we KNOW for a FACT, and that is that we all live once and die once. Let's enjoy it while we can, and if there's an afterlife we can worry about that later.
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By Remora.Narrubia 2009-12-03 15:04:37
Seraph.Caiyuo said: Ragnarok.Anye said: As a biological sciences major, I find it incredibly funny people who haven't even delved into the deeper end of the pool of scientific theories and research still make it a point that "religious people are stupid and avoid scientific fact." I actually know several doctorate-level people who are religious whose lives are completely devoted to their research and church, and don't remain ignorant to either. Gurl, you trowlin'. I don't know, I think this is a valid point. It's just that there's a lot more exposure to the ignorant religious than otherwise because, quite frankly, there are a good number of the religious who do avoid scientific evidence, so it makes sense that people develop those kinds of stereotypes. Hell, you don't see PhDs in biology, Christian or not, arguing that creationism (or intelligent design) should be taught as a science, since, regardless of its accuracy, it cannot be tested with the scientific method. No, you see radical, and often poorly educated, Christians arguing for that, and that image gets associated with religion.
lulz
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-12-03 15:04:54
I was going to say that, but if he's wrong, when he's dead, he'll just be dead. He'll never know.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-12-03 15:05:16
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 15:07:53
Fairy.Vegetto said: I was going to say that, but if he's wrong, when he's dead, he'll just be dead. He'll never know. He will if lol scientology has it right!
A lot of the people in this world believe we need to regulate drugs and guns to make this a safer place. I have a different insight. I think if you're going to regulate one thing that has the most potential to cause death and destruction, it should be religion. Religion is dangerous, and I don't say this out of bitterness. I was raised catholic. I was never molested, but.. Meh i'm a little insulted lol. I was attractive, so hey it was their loss.
What I have against religion is... They start you when you are so defensless. I was 3 years old when they started pumping this BS into my head. I believed in Santa Clause and the Fairy Godmother, ofcourse I believed in virgin birth, a guy that lived in a whale, and a woman came from a rib. But then, something very important happened to me that made me doubt all of it. I graduated the 6th grade :)
What is so hard about saying "I don't know" !?
Ofcourse there are questions that plaque all of us...
How did we get here?
What happens when we die?
Is there a heaven?
Am I on the list?
Who let the dogs out?
So why would you believe some other human being (Who's brain "I promise you is no bigger or better than your own") when he tells you he knows what happens when you die?
"Don't masturbate now, or you won't get to hang out with Jesus in heaven! How do I know!? I've got a pointy hat! I have a hat, and a robe, I have smoke and a wand!"... It's so gay.
Every Sunday is like a pageant with the costumes, the wands, the goblets, the smoke, and the men kneeling down in front of other men with their mouths open.. Nothing gay about that!
Religion, easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there is an invisible man living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things He does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things, he has a special place full of fire, and smoke, and burning, and torture, and anguish, where he will send you to live to burn, and suffer, and choke, and scream, and cry forever and ever untill the end of time. BuT He LoVeS YoU <3 <3 <3 <3
He loves you and he always needs MONEY! He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing, and all wise, but somehow he just can't handle money o.O!! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more $$$$$ Talk about a good bullshit story.. Holyshit!
This is Sincere: When it came to believing in god, I really tried. I wanted to believe that there was a god who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I tried, but the longer you live, the more you look around, and the more you realize that something is ????d up:
(War Disease Death Destruction Hunger Filth Poverty Torture Crime)
This is not good work. If this is the best god can do, I am not impressed. A results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. These are the results you would expect from an office temp with a bad attitude.
Between you and me... In any feasibly ran universe, this guy would have been out on his all powerful ass a long time ago. I say guy, because if there really is a god he has to be a man. No woman could or would ever ???? things up like this ^.^
If there is a god, I think that most reasonable people would agree that he is atleast incompetent, and maybe.. Just maybe.. He doesn't give a shit. Which I admire in a person, and it would explain a lot of these bad results. So instead of being just another mindless-religious robot, mindlessly.. Aimlessly.. Blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompitent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to find something else to worship. Something I could actually count on...
I immidiatly thought of the sun. Overnight, just like that. I became a sun worshipper, but not overnight because you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning....
Several reasons...
First of all, I can see the sun. (Unlike a few other gods I know). I'm big on that, if I can see something it kind of helps the credibility. So everyday I can see the sun as it gives me everything I need: Light, Heat, Food, Flowers in the Park, Reflections in the Lake, the occasional skin cancer but hey.. Atleast there are no crucifixions and setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.
Sun worshipping is simple. There are no mysteries, no miracles, no pageantry, noone asks for money, no songs to learn, and we don't have a building we gather together in once a week to compare clothing.
Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? Its god's will~? It will be done. Fine, but if it's god's will, he is going to do what he wants to anyway... Why the hell pray for it in the first place? Couldn't you just skip the paying, and just go straight to god's will?
I do believe prayers are answered though.. Maybe at a 50% rate! Half the time I get what I want. Half of the time I don't. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the wishing well, the rabbit's foot, the mojo man, same as the voodoo lady that tells you fortune by squeezing a goat's testicle. It's all the same.. 50/50... So just pick your superstition, make a wish, and sit back and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you who look to the bible for moral lessons, and literary qualities... I'll suggest a few other stories for you... You might want to look at:
~The Three Little Pigs (It has a nice happy ending)
~Little Red Riding Hood (Although it has that X-rated part where the wolf actually eats the grandmother)
~Humpty Dumpty (All the king's horses, and all the king's men couldn't put humpty dumpty back together again. That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God.)
If there is a God, may he strike me dead!....
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