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Regulate Religion, Not Guns.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:35:08
Bismarck.Ebonie
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By Bismarck.Ebonie 2009-12-02 17:35:14
Tell then, what is the target? how do you know you're being accurate?
Seraph.Bulleta
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 17:36:21
I'll shut up when someone gives me some proof that god exists.
I'll kiss everyone's *** :)
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:36:30
Bismarck.Ebonie said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Bismarck.Ebonie said: Science can't prove anything, unless to those that accept it. If by to those that accept it you mean those that accept what there senses tell them then sure You should go back and read a post I made about your science based purely on experiments. Why? Is it gunna be some silly phlisophical craziness about how nothing can be proven.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-02 17:37:24
For Bulleta:
Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: \ˈfāth\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust — more at bide
Date: 13th century
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
Gilgamesh.Andras
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-02 17:38:16
And i'll shut up when you prove to me he doesn't.
And i mean proof not assumptions.
Seraph.Bulleta
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 17:38:47
I was hoping for a picture, or some live footage -.-
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:41:18
Gilgamesh.Andras said: And i'll shut up when you prove to me he doesn't. And i mean proof not assumptions.
Seraph.Bulleta
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 17:41:54
Gilgamesh.Andras said: And i'll shut up when you prove to me he doesn't.
And i mean proof not assumptions.
The proof that he doesn't exist is right here:
There is absolutely 0 proof that he does exist.
You prove that something does exist by coming up with facts.
If you can't come up with facts that it does exist, that proves it doesn't exist :P
Leviathan.Solare
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By Leviathan.Solare 2009-12-02 17:45:53
Seraph.Bulleta said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: And i'll shut up when you prove to me he doesn't.
And i mean proof not assumptions.
The proof that he doesn't exist is right here:
There is absolutely 0 proof that he does exist.
You prove that something does exist by coming up with facts.
If you can't come up with facts that it does exist, that proves it doesn't exist :P
Show me proof that he doesn't exist? You saying he doesn't, isn't proving he doesn't. Its just proving you're an idiot.
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By Bismarck.Ebonie 2009-12-02 17:46:39
exist [ɪgˈzɪst]
vb (intr)
1. to have being or reality; to be
2. to eke out a living; stay alive; survive he could barely exist on such a low wage
3. to be living; live
4. to be present under specified conditions or in a specified place sharks exist in the Pacific
5. (Philosophy) Philosophy
a. to be actual rather than merely possible
b. to be a member of the domain of some theory, an element of some possible world, etc.
c. to have contingent being while free, responsible, and aware of one's situation
Take note of 5a.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:46:44
Leviathan.Solare said: Show me proof that he doesn't exist? You saying he doesn't, isn't proving he doesn't. Its just proving you're an idiot. You asking for proof of something that is unprovable is just as dumb.
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Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:47:37
Leviathan.Marzanna
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By Leviathan.Marzanna 2009-12-02 17:47:40
Seraph.Bulleta said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Anyone else think we're all bitching?
I just think everyone's feelings is hurt becuase I brought to their attention that their god isn't actually ... Real.
lolwut?
Ok..
My proof that he does exist is right here:
There is absolutely no proof that he doesn't exist.
If you can't come up with facts that it doesn't exist, that proves that it does.
See what I did there..?
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Leviathan.Solare
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By Leviathan.Solare 2009-12-02 17:48:20
Ramuh.Dasva said: Leviathan.Solare said: Show me proof that he doesn't exist? You saying he doesn't, isn't proving he doesn't. Its just proving you're an idiot. You asking for proof of something that is unprovable is just as dumb.
But, Bulleta asking for proof that it doesn't exist, isn't? How does that work?
Gilgamesh.Andras
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-02 17:48:51
What says he is not real, and idk about a definition, a man made that.
Asura.Zarine
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By Asura.Zarine 2009-12-02 17:49:57
Asura.Zarine said: Ah well. Discussions on religion are silly. To each their own, just don't be a *** about it.
Quoted again just because.
And to the OP: quit your crying already. Do the people who come to your door 4-5 times a month really make you feel like ***? How difficult is it to tell them you're not interested and to shut the door? Or better yet, just ignore them and keep doing whatever it is you're doing at the moment.
I imagine you as one of those people who would file enormous lawsuits over the pettiest of offenses, and then go on to claim mental anguish, emotional distress, harassment, and god only knows what other ***. Way to make a mountain out of an anthill..
Grow up, get a thicker skin, and try to accept the fact that the majority of people on earth believe in some form of higher being. You're just so much better than all the believers, amirite?
Bismarck.Ebonie
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By Bismarck.Ebonie 2009-12-02 17:50:58
I'm starting to wonder if the science people can produce that 'target' that proves they're being accurate.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:52:09
Leviathan.Solare said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Leviathan.Solare said: Show me proof that he doesn't exist? You saying he doesn't, isn't proving he doesn't. Its just proving you're an idiot. You asking for proof of something that is unprovable is just as dumb. But, Bulleta asking for proof that it doesn't exist, isn't? How does that work? Because you don't beleive everything that hasn't been absolutely proven to be not true. As such you are picking and chosing which is dumb. Either believe things because they are proven to be true or believe everything until proven untrue.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:52:54
Gilgamesh.Andras
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-02 17:53:42
What about if... we stop bitching and start ffxing?
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-12-02 17:55:00
Gilgamesh.Andras said: What about if... we stop bitching and start ffxing?
Your gear sucks
(see what I did thar?)
Asura.Zarine
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By Asura.Zarine 2009-12-02 17:55:29
Gilgamesh.Andras said: What about if... we stop bitching and start ffxing?
I can't D: At work... /cry
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:56:12
Asura.Zarine said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: What about if... we stop bitching and start ffxing? I can't D: At work... /cry Sneak it!
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-02 17:56:43
Ludoggy... u sly dog...
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By Leviathan.Marzanna 2009-12-02 17:57:01
Asura.Zarine said: Asura.Zarine said: Ah well. Discussions on religion are silly. To each their own, just don't be a *** about it.
Quoted again just because.
And to the OP: quit your crying already. Do the people who come to your door 4-5 times a month really make you feel like ***? How difficult is it to tell them you're not interested and to shut the door? Or better yet, just ignore them and keep doing whatever it is you're doing at the moment.
I imagine you as one of those people who would file enormous lawsuits over the pettiest of offenses, and then go on to claim mental anguish, emotional distress, harassment, and god only knows what other ***. Way to make a mountain out of an anthill..
Grow up, get a thicker skin, and try to accept the fact that the majority of people on earth believe in some form of higher being. You're just so much better than all the believers, amirite?
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:57:43
Leviathan.Solare
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By Leviathan.Solare 2009-12-02 17:58:29
Ramuh.Dasva said: Leviathan.Solare said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Leviathan.Solare said: Show me proof that he doesn't exist? You saying he doesn't, isn't proving he doesn't. Its just proving you're an idiot. You asking for proof of something that is unprovable is just as dumb. But, Bulleta asking for proof that it doesn't exist, isn't? How does that work? Because you don't beleive everything that hasn't been absolutely proven to be not true. As such you are picking and chosing which is dumb. Either believe things because they are proven to be true or believe everything until proven untrue.
First of all, I was making fun of Bulleta's arguement. And, spinning it around on him. I Do not believe in God. I don't understand what you are trying to prove there? Some kind of assumption because I'm trying to defend something that you dont believe in?
What is wrong with spinning the arguement around? OP is making a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE arguement. If proof cant be made that he doesn't exist (Which, is impossible apparently) But, proof cant be made that he does exist (Which is impossible again) And, I'm the one who is dumb?
You're as bad as the OP.
Seraph.Bulleta
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 18:00:16
Leviathan.Marzanna said: Seraph.Bulleta said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: Anyone else think we're all bitching?
I just think everyone's feelings is hurt becuase I brought to their attention that their god isn't actually ... Real.
lolwut?
Ok..
My proof that he does exist is right here:
There is absolutely no proof that he doesn't exist.
If you can't come up with facts that it doesn't exist, that proves that it does.
See what I did there..?
You said the exact same thing I said.
Since it is impossible to prove that something doesn't exist, the only proof that there possibly could be is the lack of proof that it does exist.
To prove something does exist is easy.. Unless it doesn't exist LOL
I'm sorry, what you said was ... LOL
Asura.Zarine
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By Asura.Zarine 2009-12-02 18:01:18
Ramuh.Dasva said: Asura.Zarine said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: What about if... we stop bitching and start ffxing? I can't D: At work... /cry Sneak it!
We have some crazy firewall here at work (ex: I can only access this forum through the JP site..), so I'm thinking FFXi would be a no-go. One more hour to go. Weeee :D
A lot of the people in this world believe we need to regulate drugs and guns to make this a safer place. I have a different insight. I think if you're going to regulate one thing that has the most potential to cause death and destruction, it should be religion. Religion is dangerous, and I don't say this out of bitterness. I was raised catholic. I was never molested, but.. Meh i'm a little insulted lol. I was attractive, so hey it was their loss.
What I have against religion is... They start you when you are so defensless. I was 3 years old when they started pumping this BS into my head. I believed in Santa Clause and the Fairy Godmother, ofcourse I believed in virgin birth, a guy that lived in a whale, and a woman came from a rib. But then, something very important happened to me that made me doubt all of it. I graduated the 6th grade :)
What is so hard about saying "I don't know" !?
Ofcourse there are questions that plaque all of us...
How did we get here?
What happens when we die?
Is there a heaven?
Am I on the list?
Who let the dogs out?
So why would you believe some other human being (Who's brain "I promise you is no bigger or better than your own") when he tells you he knows what happens when you die?
"Don't masturbate now, or you won't get to hang out with Jesus in heaven! How do I know!? I've got a pointy hat! I have a hat, and a robe, I have smoke and a wand!"... It's so gay.
Every Sunday is like a pageant with the costumes, the wands, the goblets, the smoke, and the men kneeling down in front of other men with their mouths open.. Nothing gay about that!
Religion, easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there is an invisible man living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things He does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things, he has a special place full of fire, and smoke, and burning, and torture, and anguish, where he will send you to live to burn, and suffer, and choke, and scream, and cry forever and ever untill the end of time. BuT He LoVeS YoU <3 <3 <3 <3
He loves you and he always needs MONEY! He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing, and all wise, but somehow he just can't handle money o.O!! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more $$$$$ Talk about a good bullshit story.. Holyshit!
This is Sincere: When it came to believing in god, I really tried. I wanted to believe that there was a god who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I tried, but the longer you live, the more you look around, and the more you realize that something is ????d up:
(War Disease Death Destruction Hunger Filth Poverty Torture Crime)
This is not good work. If this is the best god can do, I am not impressed. A results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. These are the results you would expect from an office temp with a bad attitude.
Between you and me... In any feasibly ran universe, this guy would have been out on his all powerful ass a long time ago. I say guy, because if there really is a god he has to be a man. No woman could or would ever ???? things up like this ^.^
If there is a god, I think that most reasonable people would agree that he is atleast incompetent, and maybe.. Just maybe.. He doesn't give a shit. Which I admire in a person, and it would explain a lot of these bad results. So instead of being just another mindless-religious robot, mindlessly.. Aimlessly.. Blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompitent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to find something else to worship. Something I could actually count on...
I immidiatly thought of the sun. Overnight, just like that. I became a sun worshipper, but not overnight because you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning....
Several reasons...
First of all, I can see the sun. (Unlike a few other gods I know). I'm big on that, if I can see something it kind of helps the credibility. So everyday I can see the sun as it gives me everything I need: Light, Heat, Food, Flowers in the Park, Reflections in the Lake, the occasional skin cancer but hey.. Atleast there are no crucifixions and setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.
Sun worshipping is simple. There are no mysteries, no miracles, no pageantry, noone asks for money, no songs to learn, and we don't have a building we gather together in once a week to compare clothing.
Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? Its god's will~? It will be done. Fine, but if it's god's will, he is going to do what he wants to anyway... Why the hell pray for it in the first place? Couldn't you just skip the paying, and just go straight to god's will?
I do believe prayers are answered though.. Maybe at a 50% rate! Half the time I get what I want. Half of the time I don't. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the wishing well, the rabbit's foot, the mojo man, same as the voodoo lady that tells you fortune by squeezing a goat's testicle. It's all the same.. 50/50... So just pick your superstition, make a wish, and sit back and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you who look to the bible for moral lessons, and literary qualities... I'll suggest a few other stories for you... You might want to look at:
~The Three Little Pigs (It has a nice happy ending)
~Little Red Riding Hood (Although it has that X-rated part where the wolf actually eats the grandmother)
~Humpty Dumpty (All the king's horses, and all the king's men couldn't put humpty dumpty back together again. That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God.)
If there is a God, may he strike me dead!....
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