If Horizon Had A $1 Monthly Fee

So? Why can't he mention Horizon to someone interested in returning? And if a single youtube comment is going to sway someone into playing Horizon over retail, doesn't that speak extremely poorly of retail? Is retail literally so bad that the mere mention of an alternative will steer people away?


lmao "I called him a goon out of disbelief, not anger!". Your kvetching about the guy "trying to recruit" contradicts this silly assertion.


It's not about caring, it's about how pathetic it is that Horizon has you in such a tizzy that the mere mention of it has you traipsing about the internet lashing out at anyone who mentions it and making hundreds of posts about it. It extends to the rest of the anti-Horizon crowd posting here as well. Like, if you guys weren't so feverishly obsessed with hating on Horizon, this subforum would have zero activity lol


The only "defending" of Horizon I've done is in specific Horizon topics on this subforum, though much of my "defense" is just pointing out some of the nonsense people are saying regarding the similarities between Horizon and 75-era XI. I've even said that I probably won't be playing Horizon for much longer. Not much of a defense if you ask me.

idc about any of this stupid argument

HOWEVER

Cat's Eye has almost all of that stuff

for me - retail lacks fun small/menial tasks or events that still feel impactful. crafting is a wash. leveling is trivial. camping random NM's for gear, or to make money. i actually used to mine or idk, farm materials randomly at points. there was just ***to do, to a fault even - retail doesn't feel that way. the current meta revolves around a few events, and skipping through the rest.

we can list out all the available content, who it applies to, and argue in circles until we're all blue in the face about how plentiful and good the content is. the reality, the current game is boring af - so much so, people are going back to play the (presumed and argued in this thread) even more boring first iteration of the game.

I DIDNT SAY PROVE ME RIGHT HOLY *** GET A ROOM

yeah instead it's

"dagger is actually a great relic and i don't regret it at all"
"i think it's unfair to make any HNM enrage"
"people told me melee WHM couldn't be a real DD but..."
"what's wrong with TPing in hecatomb? doesn't it apply slow to the mob?"
"toau coming next week, get hype!"
"if you don't abide by the unofficial server Dynamis schedule spreadsheet you're probably a 12 y/o in your mom's basement"

way more nuanced big brain discussion going on in that discord :thumbs up emoji:


if you've done all the stuff being skipped. but unless you've got a secret main not linked on your AH profile you certainly aren't in a place to be skipping that stuff in favor of the 'few events' (presumably Ody, Sortie)


I strongly doubt most of the pserver crowd are coming from a serious attempt at retail. most of them quit before or shortly after abyssea and haven't looked back. their idea of what retail is happens to be incredibly skewed, and 75 cap pservers cater directly to their nostalgia goggles. full stop. you can literally ask any horizon streamer about their retail experience and they will tell you almost exactly this.

Dont forget if anyone dares to say anything remotely negative about their precious

or if you make fun of staff for harassing women in DMs. no bullying allowed! being a creep is perfectly acceptable, however

if you're going to play a private server, the one spicyryan is involved in would be the absolute worst option.

the dude makes all the other private server owners look stable. he is truly unhinged.

Show me your private server Daddy.

OMG ITS HUGGGEEE.... Bigger than that Asura guy...

I played retail from 2014 -> 2023. For me the only thing left to do in Retail is Sortie / Ody.

So when I went to get horizons it was an entirely new experience for me. But most ppl there played retail from RoZ-CoP. Very few did Aby. Some did WoTG. I met maybe 3 people who played on current retail era of Ody / Sortie.

who *** cares

there's plenty of people working on CE and they all seem to care a lot about making a fun server to play on rather than an ego sandbox where they can lord over the rest of the players like they couldn't do back in '05. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but that has been my impression. If I were to play on a PS that'd probably be the one I'd choose. I like the idea of a bunch of custom content mixed in with ***that the other PS haven't figured out how to make work yet from retail.

one spicy man wouldn't be the difference maker for me

alright semantic sam. "having it" means "having it". if I wanted to say that they have it at a 100% retail accurate state I wouldve said that

from what i've been told, they're just missing some of the ENMs, AV, and ISNMs. Everything else on that list is in the game in one way or another, in addition to some modified Adoulin content and a bunch of custom content.

in other words, eat my ***

*Cries in Quetzalcoatl*

Jesus is rebuttal in this thread now Homsar's primary source of income?

Hint: if you have to fight this hard to justify something you enjoy- you're just in the very vast minority. Keep enjoying what you do, but for your own sanity stop trying to convince others who will never move that you're right.

All y'all Horizon people asked for this- we didn't come into your world and start shitting on it- we're just responding to y'all barging in.

Sliiiiiight clarification.

Someone from a different PS petitioned His Scraggness™ for a PS section on the forums. This section then sat idle for over a fortnight before someone popped in and was like "this ***sucks". That's what actually started it.

No lies were told.

Coincidentally, most of my posts in these topics are made when I'm at work. #WFHLife baby!


That's like the total opposite of the 2 big topics on this subforum lol

Like there would be nothing here if the crotchety retail players didn't make topics to whine about Horizon.

Why do you resort to nostalgia? So soon do you run out of arguments?

I have 2 friends who started in FFXI retail 3 years ago, they have done all the content and now they are only spam odyssey and sortie, they got bored and played a server that was 75, and after trying both their conclusion is that it feels much better and more fun to play was 75, even without trying the Aht Urgan expansion where they would probably be trapped forever there.

And in their case they are not affected by nostalgia, are you not able to understand that retail and era 75 are very different games with different virtues and defects?

Also reading some arguments here to defend retail is like watching a really funny comedy movie XD.

Anyway, I continue paying retail because I want to support the game and I would like at some point to stop making decisions that make it similar to FFXIV with daily tasks, but I haven't felt like playing it for a few months now because doing sortie/odyssey is boring and heavy.
While playing an era 75 server feels more adventure, more MMORPG and more fun, it's that simple. And I really want to do Nyzul isle and Salvage and ISNM and play Aht Urgan in general, really.

I wish retail had made nyzul isle 3, salvage 3, delve 3 and more content than limiting it to 2 daily events.....

And yes, adapting sortie to do it 2 to 3 times a week would have avoided the rapid fatigue of doing it daily, it is a bad design decision, and it is strange because FFXI had always been TOP in content design decisions with respect to any another MMO.
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you say 3 years like that's not much. y'all are literally in here screeching now because horizon ran out of content in 3 months


coolcool i specifically said 'most' (not 'every', not 'all') for a reason. you could argue i'm generalizing, but you're arguing anecdotally.


this argument is wild. if i thought they were the same why would i even be in here? as for the "virtues and defects" of pservers, i am literally arguing from a place of been there, done that. i've sunk hundreds of hours into pservers and i haven't even decried the idea of pservers in general. i am almost exclusively dunking on horizon because it's run by goons and is the only pserver with a cultlike following that's nearly as bad as the ff14 stans (maybe worse? hard to say)


i'm glad you feel that way. because horizon discord is an absolute joke and it wouldn't be fair if ya'll are monopolizing all the laughs


sick bro, see you in 2025. if the vanity project even lasts that long, of course. godspeed!

In other words they missed the era that had the highest content variety, lol.

2015-2018 FFXI had the highest content variety that comes with fast gameplay. Content variety decreased greatly after 2020. So if they joined in 2020 they'll quickly face the "2 content only" situation that they described.

Therefore, using 2020-2023 ffxi as a standard to praise 75 era isn't a fair comparsion to begin with.

A lot of people here played 75 era ffxi, I did too. While I had my fair share of nostalgia with 75 era, it was far from being the best era. I always felt in 75 era the combat was too slow, the build/playstyle variety was lower than current ffxi. It had too much focus on exping, too much ls drama because of how the reward systems worked. And it felt like work needing to wake up at 3am for an NM pop or do dynamis for 1 year for rdm hat.

That is why people are posting hate about 75 era ffxi. It was not THAT entertaining for many people. You are free to like it if you wish, but if you try to sing praise about how good it is on this forum then you WILL see people disagree. For many of us it is an era that we don't miss. Just move on and go play on a 75 era server and give up on trying to convince us.


Sure, whoever experienced 75 era probably won't disagree with this. Except that magical "adventure feel" only works once. It felt like an adventure when I traveled to V.dune for the first time, or killed shadow lord, or completed CoP. I still remember this feel even today.

But if I am going to do that all over again, I doubt I'll get the same feel since I already experienced them all back then. There won't be any surprise nor "adventure" anymore. Hence another reason why 75 era isn't appealing for many retail players. It was not a different game nor new game for many people, it was an old game that we've played literally 10000 hours and don't care to play more.

I don't want to convince anyone, you are too obtuse to be able to reason without engaging in childlike attitudes.

You yourself are resorting to another era of FFXI to attack era 75....when here the comparison was with era 75 and CURRENT RETAIL, where you yourself recognize that the game loop is limited to 2 daily contents.

And I discovered that I still enjoy most of the content was 75 almost like the first day, but the fact that you don't want to try it is your problem, I don't want to convince anyone.

What's more, although I play Horizon, for me they have made bad decisions that have made the game too much worse (as a shitty ninja on their server or the jobs with pets that are too strong), I prefer Eden which is more faithful but being able to use double account is a bad decision also.

I repeat, FFXI is still the best MMO there is, but era 75 is clearly superior to current retail, without a doubt, but that does not make current retail a bad game like you want to do with era 75.

Anyway, I will continue reading you at work because it is quite funny to see how you contradict yourselves :D

Some here play the role of buffoon very well and they make my workday happy XD
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Exactly which post/sentence had "childlike attitude"? Quote it please.

People disagreeing with you (with reasons) in a discussion is not the same as "childlike attitude" lol.


No, I listed 4 different advantages that current retail still has. You are the only person who decide that content variety is the only factor that makes a game fun.


Even with only 2 relevant contents, retail still has higher build variety, faster combat pacing, less exping and more fair reward system. Those are advantages that only retail has regardless of content variety. Some of the most interesting builds and stats only exist after 2015 or so. They didn't exist back then.



Contradictions where? Saying I dislike 75 era ffxi even with higher content variety is not "contradiction". It is different preference on gameplay.


Your personal opinion, okay.

So you have two friends who you PLed a couple jobs to 99 and then PLed to Master in a couple days.
They skipped:
all the 75 content like Sky, Dynamis, Salvage, Limbus, Assault, Nyzul, Campgign, Sea, etc
all the pre-ilvl content: Meebles, Legion, Abyssea, Salvage II, Neo-Nyzul, Voidwatch, etc
all the initial 119 content: WKR, Delve, Vagary, HTMBs, Incursion, Skirmish and its stupid random augments, Sinister Reign, Geas Fete farming, etc

They went right to Aeonics, Dyna-D, Omen, Ody, Sortie

And are upset that after 3 years the ride is over when you encouraged them to skip 90% of the ride.


But Horizon is so fun because you have to slow burn a job to 75 at 5k xp/hr over a couple months. You then get to a couple things that were available on retail, but you opted to skip in favor of more modern things. So you'll slowburn sky, which depending on congestion and LS size may take a couple months to get what you want. You can do a very slowburn towards a relic weapon. You can grind more jobs at 5k xp/hr too.

I am not sure where the idea that people on retail are only doing Ody and Sortie comes from. Is it as simple as we complain about that content the most so it must we all we are doing?

• If you want to do a relic you still need to do dyna for the fragments and attestation.

• If you want to make an empy you still need to build pops and kill the NMs (oh and pull your hair out while waiting for time based non aby NMs).

• If you want to make a mythic you still need to be a captain run assults, nyzul, einherjar, and do znms.

• If you want an ergon weapon you still need to be a legend, beat all the delve bosses, and farm plasm

So like all that content is still relevant, because those weapons are still relevant.

Check back in after 3 years on Horizon and LMK how your friends are enjoying the Horizon experience, then we can compare to the retail experience!

BTW thanks for helping out the retail argument by pointing out that it takes 3+ years to even get to "the end game grind"

WAAAAAAAAAAAAH 20 PAGES LATER PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

***was much more entertaining 10-15 years ago when it was ffxi vs WoW.

those of you that are obtuse enough to not understand the fact that not everyone likes the same ***were annoying then and you're annoying now. only now it's even sadder because you're forced to hate on the same game you're playing because retail has slipped so far that people don't bother comparing it to anything else anymore.

even sadder still that this same crowd blames the playerbase or other externals instead of *** SE. it must be so insanely depressing to have this constant internal struggle

Play Horizon for 3 years

Finally Camp HNMs

Claim NM from the best LS on Horizon

???

Banned

I think the idea is that the core experience is different as you do these contents in different era. Doing assults/nyzul/dynamis for relic/mythic back in 75 with a ls/static felt drastically different from today doing the same thing mostly solo. I still remeber my nyzul/assult statics from like 15 years ago because of people. I don't remember any solo content these days because they are just farming.

There was difficulty difference too. It was possible to wipe in a dyna run at 75 if it was poorly organized. Hence doing them feels more meaningful. So I do see dyna as a relevant content in 75 but not in 2023 as difficulty really dropped.

That being said, if I get to choose between only doing ody/sortie as group content in retail or go back to 75, I would still choose retail over 75 era anyways... 75 era ffxi was like 90% painful experience and 10% super memoriable experience lol, the good part was super memoriable but the painful part mostly outweigh the good part. Been there, done that...