If Horizon Had A $1 Monthly Fee

...Merc.

Interesting, I'll have to try it after a reboot to see if I can get it to not crash.

Yeah I know, just bitchin'

My new band name.
Thank you.

That could be an LS name. ButtMercs

Eden has had functioning BLU for several years at this point; pretty sure he hasn't jumped ship for that wagon, either.

Imagine thinking someone who owns a 3d printer to make their own ffxi character figures would be a poor who plays on a free private server lol

You've seriously got to get over the idea that people play on these servers because they're free. It isn't a real argument, nobody cares that they're free, hell a majority of those folks would pay to play on them if servers took donations.

People just play them cause they are different than the current state of the game and cause they enjoy nostalgia. That's really all there is to it.

Are there really still people who think that we play era 75 servers because they are free? I can't believe it, it's too stupid.

So where do I and my friends who pay FFXI retail and play Eden/Horizon fit in?

Although I have to admit that we have been playing much more in Horizon than Retail for a few months now. At Retail we really dislike the amount of mercenaries and bots there are, also the direction they took with the daily content is overwhelming, and it's surprising because before you had a lot of content but it didn't feel like a daily task, you alternated between Nyzul isle, Salvage, Sky, dynamys, einherjar, HNM...

That's why we play Era 75 servers, because it has a practically perfect design in most aspects and you never feel like you're doing a boring daily job.

Whoever thinks that people play servers were 75 because they are free has no idea what they are saying, but they have no idea and are making a fool of themselves.

I do not miss waking up to go to work at Dragon's Aery at 3 AM just to play Security Monitor for some stupid lizard. Worst decision of my life.

Listen man, do you want the Ridill or not?

Can you explain the difference between being "forced" to doing daily content but then on the same line saying you do Nyzule isle, salvage, sky, dynamis, einherjar and HNM? Most of them are also done daily, so what difference is it? lol People are just inventing excuses against retails favor.

Most do play on those servers because its free, they can't justify a monthly fee even if its cheap. I know a lot of them personally, so you are probably in the minority.

Yes, gimme! I dont wanna camp it or be at the keyboard tho.

I will confess, when I pay a MMORPG with a sub I feel like I’m obliged to play it. To the point it can become a chore.

This is why I much rather pay a one-time fee and then play when I feel like it.

What makes it diff than any other monthly sub fee like netflix, gym, internet etc? This one is very cheap at least if you ask me.

People simply want their money to be spent on something worthy. They asked for a classic server. Nothing. Console version? Nothing. Remaster/Remake? Nothing. If they ever want to support SE then XIV is a better option.

Just go barking at SE for a new expansion you will never get.

So what you're saying is they're no different than the folks who said "I'll never watch HBO again since they canceled Westworld!" only to watch the YouTube versions of John Oliver's show?

5 Nights at Dragon's Aery

You know he's just shitposting, right?

Can someone translate that pls? I dont speak broke.

I wouldn’t equate this to utility bills. I need the internet to do my job (literally). So I consider it a essential good. The others you posted, such as Netflix or the Gym are quite comparable.

The difference in my view is the time investment necessary. I can sit down and watch a 20min Netflix show, when I feel like it, at any time of day, then go to bed.

Ffxi I need to log in when other ppl in a static (or normal pug time) are free. So I feel like I HAVE to use it at certain times.

I’m not against subs, I’m against feeling ‘forced’ to play the game at certain intervals or missing out.

Wow classic I recently picked up and can log in @5am, PUG without issue. So I don’t feel obliged to play it and have been only on once a week.


I know this seems odd. But I suppose the biggest issue I have is that ffxi feels like a ‘Chore’ to me with how it’s set up rn.

It’s also worth noting that I have beaten all expansions* (not the new thing) and when basically soloed all I can solo. So unless I want to make like Empy Staff, the only content left to me is 6-man stuff. And see above issues there.

I guess being a filthy casual also makes the game off putting and makes me feel like I’m wasting my $$ because I cannot enjoy it when I am free/want to —- say like with Skyrim.

Multiple times I would get off work, try to get on, only to find out everyone did their Ody C run or used their segs for the day. So I was logging in just to log off.

An individual player has a variety of 75-era endgame group content to pick and choose from and are able to meaningfully progress even if they miss a run or two. The only meaningful endgame group content for most retail players are Sortie and Odyssey and the only way to reliably progress through them is to have a static. That means you are forced to carve out an hour or two daily at a specific time if you want to meaningfully progress since PUGs are nearly nonexistent at this point in the game and the ones that do exist don't perform anywhere near as effectively as a static. I'm sure you'll try to throw the idea of some mystical unicorn static that is flexible on gathering time and frequency of runs, but those are mystical unicorns for a reason.

All of the events in 75 era required a "Static" or more a linkshell... You needed a linkshell to progress in literally anything. I can't believe you are comparing them when we need less than 6 people these days considering most multi box. HNM itself was a huge barrier to participate requiring very specific time windows lol. You have plethora of content to choose from today too, you keep ignoring it and we keep discussing the same thing over and over. You can progress in Odyssey solo, solo segment farms to wait for a shout or linkshell. You are honestly looking at it thru the lens of a jaded ex player who feels the game is desolate with nobody around to team up with... Its not true.

PUG was rare for most endgame in 75 era. You almost never saw someone shouting for HNM or sky or sea until nearly Abyssea lol. You were forced to join a linkshell, forced to participate for points or spots on drop lists, etc.

A linkshell and a static operate very differently. This is something that you know but are being deliberately obtuse about in order to make convoluted comparisons, as you have done many times already.


You cannot make meaningful progress within Odyssey on your own. You can, at best, farm enough segments to get a Gaol KI and have segments left over, but you're still miles behind groups in terms of segment count and KI access and will have to form a static to experience regular progress and upgrade Odyssey gear.


There's content, then there's meaningful group content. Most of the content in retail is not meaningful group content. The meaningful group content(Odyssey and Sortie) require a static to make meaningful progress.

Meaningful content in 75 era requires a linkshell, which is worse to organize than a static. So what is your point?

From the perspective of an individual player who isn't running a linkshell(read: most players), linkshell participation is simpler and much more flexible than static participation.

Yet somehow with a linkshell that isn't required? This guy is spinning in circles lol