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Ixion Lore and Proc Attempts
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-29 12:17:46
My main theory on horse rn is to ping pong hate on it... like as much as possible. That or don't do a majority of dmg from any one direction. so like 40% back, 40% front, 20% side or something.
Last time my group ran we tried something like this. We each made sure to pull hate once, no box. Tonight I'm going to try 50% damage during aura, and then try 0 spells on him.
As for the reaction to spells, try more than one cast. It's either spells have a 25% chance to force him to charge or its every x number of spells.
On mnk when solo with mon/qul/joach/sylvie/koru he would charge about 3-4 times per fight. I added shantotto ii for last 3 fights and this increased to 12 times per fight so I started watching when he does it and it is always in reaction to a spell cast. Observed this more than 10 times.
By Univarsity 2023-07-29 12:20:20
Ok so I noticed a weird thing on this the other day.. and if someone can test this because I won't have another Ruspix for a while to do so again myself. So I went in solo on Rdm/War with trust. My plan was to pull a elemental with it and have elemental hate and WS it with the Ixion using Aeolian Edge. Of course the Ixion killed all my trust very quickly and I ended up dying without being able to kill it around 30% (I'll explain why). So something I noticed, everytime I would disengage the Ixion to engage the elemental to resleep it, it would terror me. And each time I disengaged and got re terror'd the Timmer would increase. So about the 3rd or 4th time I did that I got a 20ish second terror and with that it ended up killing me around 30%. Can someone test this out, try the AoE WS with it and a elemental and/or kill it after getting terrored and see if they get any results.
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2023-07-29 15:36:41
Between terror and engravity that is a very suspicious mechanic
I guess we could try killing it on the gadget or the blitzer
By klayy 2023-07-29 15:58:01
Tried another round of botulus.ixion.
Botulus fail attemopts...
100 front 0 back dmg no hate transfer. no SC dmg. FAIL
75 front 25 back dmg no hate transfer. no SC dmg. FAIL
65 front, 35 back no hate transfer. no SC dmg. FAIL
For sll these we had geo bubbles and I did not SC on purpose. I think at this pt I had the GEO stop doing bubbles and I added in some SC dmg.
65 front, 35 back. no hate transfer, no GEO. But I did wf to wf from behind to get to 65, SC dmg may have tainted it. FAIL.
At this point I wanted to just recreate the same box success I had yesterday. No GEO, no SC from the back, then exactly the same from the front SC wise. W so leaden x4 back 58% swing to front leaden to AE then leaden to ae to leaden wildfire to kill it... SUCCESS.
So it's not 50% strictly speaking. It could and probably is very much still directional. In terms of emnity, hate manipulation, as far as I can tell no change. Only other thing I still have on the table is more dmg from front than back if SC dmg is considered invalid. So tomorrow I'd need to to a 60-40 split with no SC dmg to figure that out.
Did a variety on horse... tried to ping pong hate back n forth. RUN kept it a bit long at the start I couldnt pull it off till 67% or so. From there we exchanged hate a bunch. no dice.
We had a RDM and let him do some RDM ***, many seraphs. idk the original seraph account said they did seraph cuz it killed horse fast. Was the exact opposite for us. Leaden is vastly superior and it felt like a seraph/light WS spam would be somewhat time consuming. idk it struck me how slow it was though.
I tried to spread out leaden dmg on another, like 30% back, 30% front, some on the sides.
Think that's all of it tbh.
By Univarsity 2023-07-29 16:17:25
Ok so I noticed a weird thing on this the other day.. and if someone can test this because I won't have another Ruspix for a while to do so again myself. So I went in solo on Rdm/War with trust. My plan was to pull a elemental with it and have elemental hate and WS it with the Ixion using Aeolian Edge. Of course the Ixion killed all my trust very quickly and I ended up dying without being able to kill it around 30% (I'll explain why). So something I noticed, everytime I would disengage the Ixion to engage the elemental to resleep it, it would terror me. And each time I disengaged and got re terror'd the Timmer would increase. So about the 3rd or 4th time I did that I got a 20ish second terror and with that it ended up killing me around 30%. Can someone test this out, try the AoE WS with it and a elemental and/or kill it after getting terrored and see if they get any results.
What was causing terror cos the ixion doesnt have any terror TP moves. I don't know, I had filters on but i didn't even recall seeing it do any TP moves, as soon as I disengaged I was terror'd. I'd like someone to test this as well, maybe they could give a better explanation on what happens. The first time it happened it stuck for like 3 seconds, I thought I was just stunned, then the more it happened I realized i couldnt react for a longer period of time.
By klayy 2023-07-29 16:22:13
Quote: At this point I wanted to just recreate the same box success I had yesterday. No GEO, no SC from the back, then exactly the same from the front SC wise. W so leaden x4 back 58% swing to front leaden to AE then leaden to ae to leaden wildfire to kill it... SUCCESS.
Can you clarify this please as it doesnt make much sense? You did 58% on back , then went to front, killed it and got chest? But you later say its not 50%?
Sure. I knocked him DOWN to 58% then swung around. and did the rest of the front. Hence 42 on the back, 58 on the front. But the frontal dmg included a 99999 darkness. If you remove my SC dmg, then technically I did more dmg from the back then the front even though I left him at 58% HP when I went in frontal mode.
By klayy 2023-07-29 16:24:50
Here is my breakdown from two days ago if that helps. Basically same stuff today....
"Back
Leaden 66528
Leaden 75245
Leaden 70817
Wildfire 31549
Front
Leaden 57956
AE 17321 (Distortion 12470)
Leaden 52345 (no SC I think i missed the window lol)
AE 18305 (Distortion 13142)
Leaden 61928 (Darkness 99999)
Dead botulus.
back 244,139
front 207,855 WS only. 125,611 SC dmg. 333,466 total dmg."
By klayy 2023-07-29 16:28:06
Like on a parse, it will say I did more from back than front cuz my sc dmg isn't directly attributed to me. If you're doing legit 50% from the back, you cannot fail this so it may just be semantics. The reason I was/am interested is if the 50% disclaimer goes away then its time to think beyond that for horse. But even if I refine it to "just do more dmg from back than other sides" that really doesn't help us with horse. We've all done more dmg from one side to the horse at this point a bunch of times. So I feel like there's no inverse to that. So back to square one.
By klayy 2023-07-29 16:36:32
The other possibility is that maybes its 40% lol. But that just seems weird. I would like to try fail flower and naraka similarly. So like AOE flower to 55% HP remaining then direct kill. Should fail. Or direct dmg naraka to 55% HP remaining then cleave a different target and kill it. That's sorta the only way I can see a naraka fail unless maybe you did crap opener to massive leaden darkness in which the SC dmg was more than 50% of the "parse" But yeah... whether that ends up being true or not, Im no longer sure its of much use in terms of looking at the other 3 objs to try figure out the 4th one.
By Univarsity 2023-07-29 16:48:52
Was the elemental an ice based one? because they have aoe terror move, could have been bad timing. It actually was a ice elemental, that could possibly explain it then..
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By klayy 2023-07-29 16:51:17
Took the SC dmg out and still succeeded i didnt see box at first but its there. so lets say 40%? idk does it matter?
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By klayy 2023-07-29 16:59:35
Again idk how it helps us but maybe it's do less than 60% dmg from the front. I guess I could try hit it from the sides instead then try the frontal stuff. That's the only way I can see all our accounts fitting in with each other.
By klayy 2023-07-29 17:17:39
I have another weird horse idea kinda playing off the directional stuff. What if horse was do no frontal dmg. Like at all. Feel like every horse attempt ever is autofailing that. Pull the horse without dmg, have tank build hate without engaging, do all dmg from some other direction. I feel like for ever "spam this ws from behind" test, there's probably always been some tank at least engaging and meleeing. idk.. reaching at straws but that's something that would auto fail the vast majority of attempts immediately. Even with my attempts to leaden and wildfire it from behind, august was still doing stuff to its face. Would make this impossible to solo but they never intended for basement bosses to be solo friendly. Admittedly this would be borderline impossible for melee setup though. Soo... yeah >.>
but still maybe we need to think about "don't do" rather than do. Something that every group does that could just result in an autofail. Not sure what that would be. Like dont enfeeble it at all could have autofailed a ton of people. Anyone with trusts or who diaed, frazzled anything.
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-29 19:11:23
Again idk how it helps us but maybe it's do less than 60% dmg from the front. I guess I could try hit it from the sides instead then try the frontal stuff. That's the only way I can see all our accounts fitting in with each other.
From what you've been describing it seems like SC damage is included, so 50%+ damage from the back = chest?
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-29 19:45:40
Stand corrected on the magic thing. It's any repeated action causes him to charge his horn. Trying now doing nothing but meleeing and Savage Blade and he's putting up aura every few seconds.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2023-07-29 19:47:30
Could the aura be related to spike damage like Grande Grenade?
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-29 19:49:29
This is stupid, gonna try to see if I can get in one more kill before time out. I've got a strong feeling Ixion = Cannot repeat WSs Spells or JAs more than twice. 3 Repetitions trigger Horn charge Aura
Seems damage based. Testing with parse and seems to be every 50k of Physical damage or Magical Damage causes him to charge his horn without doing any of the other damage type. I think you have to step him down 45k physical then 45k magical to avoid aura and get chest.
When he gets to 30% that reduces to 30k damage of each type.
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-29 20:07:27
This is stupid, gonna try to see if I can get in one more kill before time out. I've got a strong feeling Ixion = Cannot repeat WSs Spells or JAs more than twice. 3 Repetitions trigger Horn charge Aura
Seems damage based. Testing with parse and seems to be every 50k of Physical damage or Magical Damage causes him to charge his horn without doing any of the other damage type. I think you have to step him down 45k physical then 45k magical to avoid aura and get chest.
When he gets to 30% that reduces to 30k damage of each type.
So if that is the case, I wonder how a RDM with enspell up meleeing him down to death would fare (no WSs)?
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-29 20:08:16
Got chest
RDM/DNC no trusts, no enspell no nukes. Distract Dia melee and Savage Blade only. Triggered Aura 15 times entire fight, got chest. Looking for a way to share screenshot.
https://ibb.co/X70Lchk
Aura either = a result of 50k Damage of one type from 100-30%, 30k of one type from 30-20% and then 15k of one type from 15-10% OR it is based on repeating the same action over and over again without another action in between. Since the numbers were practically dead on 50k then 30k then 15k, I'm leaning to the first.
Might also possibly be 0 skillchains or less than 1k Elemental damage
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-07-29 20:30:14
Taint should've gotten it.
He did a full white damage kill and a full savage blade warrior kill (or I assume he did, with sword warrior when he went) Maybe it was all seraph blades. I find it hard to believe no one did a savage blade onry kill.
So you're gonna need more details to compare.
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-29 20:32:39
Possibilities that I can think of to narrow it down to:
Use only 1 WS (can repeat that one, possibly savage blade only spam)
Minimal Elemental Damage
Trigger Aura x amount of times
Trigger Wrath of Zeus less than twice (only saw once)
Trigger aura every 25% of his life, stick to one damage type/ws and slow down a bit
Only light/physical damage
Only one person (including trusts) can engage
Day fought was Watersday
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-29 20:39:56
That's basically all of the detail.
RDM/DNC
Had Composure Haste II Refresh III Phalanx Gain-Dex Aquaveil Temper II Prot/Shell
No trusts from start
Pulled and attempted 0 spells on him, but I couldn't hit for ***. After 1 full minute he was at 99% still and I had 400 tp so I put distract on him and did nothing but melee Savage Blade at 1250 and cure myself. Noticed him charge horn at 91%, then again at 82%, then again at 73%. Turned parser on. 9% = 50k hp. Applied Dia III at 64% and watched parse. Continued to charge horn at 50k hp on the dot, but it seemed to be random when he actually used the Aura (Lightning Spear or wrath of zeus can spend this charge and drop the aura. Dansel Memento drops the aura, but does not expend the charge as he can still use Lightnig Spear / WoZ 1 time before the next time he charges).
From 64% > 0% I kept Dia III/Distract III on full time.
at 30% his Charge Aura changed to every 30k hp, then at 20% he charged twice at 15k, 15k and then he didn't charge again from around 12% until dead.
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By Asura.Yottaxa 2023-07-29 20:42:56
Couple stupid ideas for clarity:
You only cast dia / distract once each?
Was it the first thing you killed in F?
How quickly upon entering F did you kill it?
Had you entered any other area?
Where did it spawn / where did you kill it?
(Again just stupid ideas / questions)
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-29 20:49:33
Couple stupid ideas for clarity:
You only cast dia / distract once each?
Was it the first thing you killed in F?
How quickly upon entering F did you kill it?
Had you entered any other area?
Where did it spawn / where did you kill it?
(Again just stupid ideas / questions)
I cast Disract a total of 6 times, and Dia twice. Dansel Memento does not drop Dia.
Ixion is the only thing I killed in F, but this was my 5th kill of the night.
I killed him in the hallway near the Nakuul room, where I've fought him many many times before.
I had not entered any other area, but I have been doing this all week long.
It spawned in the first 4 square before you cross the Nakuul Room door, the Blitzer was in that 4 square also, but that is not it as I've done that many times as well.
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By Asura.Cthaeh 2023-07-29 20:51:53
I'm truly leaning to it being one of the following three:
Only one person engages and damages (including trusts)
Onle one source of damage other than melee hits
Force Aura X amount of times
https://ibb.co/34qwvYJ
This screenshot shows the buffs I had active during fight
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I had a revelation last night. What if Ixion from historical greek mythology has the actual hint/ answer to proccing Ixion? See below post copy and pasted from wikipedia and my guesses at possible Ixion proc:
Ixion married Dia,[1] a daughter of Deioneus (or Eioneus), and promised his father-in-law a valuable present. However, he did not pay the bride price, so Deioneus stole [2] some of Ixion's horses in retaliation. Ixion concealed his resentment and invited his father-in-law to a feast at Larissa. When Deioneus arrived, Ixion pushed him into a bed of burning coals and wood [3]. These circumstances are secondary to the fact of Ixion's primordial act of murder; it could be accounted for quite differently: in the Greek Anthology (iii.12), among a collection of inscriptions from a temple in Cyzicus, is an epigrammatic description of Ixion slaying Phorbas and Polymelos, who had slain his mother, Megara, the "great one".
Ixion went mad, defiled by his act; the neighboring princes were so offended by this act of treachery and violation of xenia that they refused to perform the rituals that would cleanse Ixion of his guilt (see catharsis)[4]. Thereafter, Ixion lived as an outlaw and was shunned. By killing his father-in-law, Ixion was reckoned the first man guilty of kin-slaying in Greek mythology.
This act alone would warrant Ixion a terrible punishment, but Zeus took pity on Ixion and brought him to Olympus and introduced him at the table of the gods. Instead of being grateful, Ixion grew lustful for Hera, Zeus's wife, a further violation of guest–host relations. Zeus found out about his intentions and made a cloud in the shape of Hera, which became known as Nephele (from nephos "cloud") and tricked Ixion into coupling with it. From the union of Ixion and the false-Hera cloud came Imbros or Centauros, who mated with the Magnesian mares on Mount Pelion, Pindar told, engendering the race of Centaurs, who are called the Ixionidae from their descent.
Ixion was expelled from Olympus and blasted with a thunderbolt [5]. Zeus ordered Hermes to bind Ixion to a winged fiery wheel [6] [7] that was always spinning. Therefore, Ixion was bound to a burning solar wheel for all eternity, at first spinning across the heavens, but in later myth transferred to Tartarus [8]. Only when Orpheus [9] played his lyre during his trip to the Underworld to rescue Eurydice did it stop for a while [10][11].
[1] Cast Dia on Ixion (Dia 1? Dia 2? Light Shot?)
[2] Steal, Mug, or Despoil the Horse?
[3] Craft near Ixion... so he can be pushed in?
[4] Cast onto Ixion, Cure, Erase, Viruna, Esuna, Holy, Holy II?
[5] Have a BLU use Thunderbolt (Learned from behemoth) on Ixion
[6] Cast the elemental wheel in order on Ixion starting with Fire (Fire > Water > Thunder > Earth > Wind > Ice)
[7] Cast the elemental wheel in order on Ixion ending with Fire
(Water > Thunder > Earth > Wind > Ice > Fire)
[8] Cast Banish on Ixion to banish him to Tartarus...
[9] Equip an Orpheus Sash While playing a harp song near Ixion
[10] Sing a song while engaged on Ixion using a harp
[11] Sing a song debuff on Ixion using a harp
Please let one of the above memes actually be the answer.
Happy (proc) hunting
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