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Other than building hate by doing damage, IDK what you guys mean by "building hate" on DRK.
CE values:
Stun: 180
Last Resort: 0
Souleater: 0
Weapon Bash: 0
Poisonga: 1

Keep in mind that you also lose hate based on damage taken, another reason why PLD and RUN are able to hold hate well. If you're taking 1000+ damage per hit, it doesn't matter if you are able to get your HP back through cure bombs, Apoc, or Foenaria, you're still losing mass amounts more hate than a tank job would. You also don't have gear which improves enmity retention while taking damage, which PLD and RUN both have.

You can still hold hate off other DD by doing damage, you can solve this with other abilities/spells/songs, but just looking at the DRK kit itself, you're not going to be building any hate with JA and spells.

You could rotate through these JA and try to maintain hate by spiking above the other DD with a JA, but it's nothing like RUN/BLU, PLD/RUN, PLD/BLU.

It really is dependent on the content. If you're talking about a 3 minute ambu with 3 enemies, it will be very different to a 2 hour long dynamis with a pull every 30 seconds where you need to hold multiple mobs. Holding hate on 1-5 packs of Sheol mobs is out of the question.

You're forgetting that DRK has a pretty sweet enmity set coupled with the full range of Absorb spells.

Go Bruins?

*shifts gears* we’ve done 8 boss Sortie runs with a PUP tank instead of a RUN.

RUN definitely has its upsides but PUP ain’t too shabby for Sortie especially if you’re running with exceptional mages.

Edit: I guess this is a DRK thread. Go Bruins?

Sure, same principle applies though, CE value of Absorb spell: 1

As someone who hasn't played since they added anything beyond wave 3 dynamis I thought this was a troll post at first. Looking into it more though it seems legit. Are things back to the /war days, or /drg for now?

Sortie I use /DRG. LR is up for every fight and hate control makes basement bosses easier.

20stp vs jumps and wsdmg boost.

Hmm you run with a tank for melee method? We use WAR + DRK and both end up "tanking".

WAR tanks. Makes fetter movements easier and sometimes we end up kiting F he starts with thunder hands and swaps to wind.

Hmm, well I do end up "Tanking" most of the time on WAR, and usually do the fetter dance. The only one that occasionally gives grief is F, thunder hands stunga spam is really annoying but better then getting buffs dispelled. You guys just kite it and have the DRK WS's while chasing?

If it’s Wind we asylum Zerg. If it’s slow after asylum we kite but most of the time he dies in 30-35 seconds.

Thunder we Zerg but it’s slower due to stunga. When he swaps to wind I super jump while war runs away and I finish him off. If the person with hate is at 20+ he doesn’t steal buffs.

We do D - H use asylum and it’s back up for F which we do last.

We are going to start skipping asylum on H as well in order to fit in other things at the end.