Which should i be using? i see most other drk using tiger stole but only have spike necklass myself but will purchase one if they are better.
+3 str +3 dex -6 mnd vs 2 defence +5 attack
30 Drk, Spike Necklass Vs. Tiger Stole
30 drk, Spike necklass vs. Tiger stole
Spike.
/endthread.
Lol, but no really. Attack is only good for RNG at low levels.
/endthread.
Lol, but no really. Attack is only good for RNG at low levels.
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Siren.Enternius said:
Spike. /endthread. Lol, but no really. Attack is only good for RNG at low levels.
Whole heartedly agree.
3 STR = 2 ATK
3 DEX = 2 ACC
vs.
5 ATK
Spike. 2 Attack, 1-2 Accuracy, 75% chance of fSTR+1 > Attack +5.
got it, mine has +2mp augmented on anyways. ftw. thanks :P
It's very common to TP in Tiger Stole and then macro in Spike Necklace when you fire a weaponskill. :)
Ragnarok.Anye said:
It's very common to TP in Tiger Stole and then macro in Spike Necklace when you fire a weaponskill. :)
And then macro in your Spike necklace for TPing too >.>
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Ragnarok.Anye said:
It's very common to TP in Tiger Stole and then macro in Spike Necklace when you fire a weaponskill. :)
It shouldn't be.
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I feel like I recall seeing the math somewhere about why tiger stole is better for tping at that lvl but would have to go look it up.
This is the part where someone goes, "*grumble* And that's the last time I take DD advice from a Paladin...."
edit: Anyways, I was under the assumption that 2 STR = 1 Attack; unless with 2-handed weapons where it's more like 4 STR = 3 Attack
edit: Anyways, I was under the assumption that 2 STR = 1 Attack; unless with 2-handed weapons where it's more like 4 STR = 3 Attack
Ragnarok.Anye said:
This is the part where someone goes, "*grumble* And that's the last time I take DD advice from a Paladin...."
edit: Anyways, I was under the assumption that 2 STR = 1 Attack; unless with 2-handed weapons where it's more like 4 STR = 3 Attack
edit: Anyways, I was under the assumption that 2 STR = 1 Attack; unless with 2-handed weapons where it's more like 4 STR = 3 Attack
I think it's more that at that level, accuracy is far more important than attack; which makes the Spike Necklace better because of the DEX.
And *mumble*, that's the last time I take gear advice from a PLD.
<3
Yes, but you have to realize that that's not ALL STR does.
STR also improves WS damage far more than Attack, and more importantly, 4 STR= +1 DMG on your weapon, give or take depending on what you're fighting.
Likewise, DEX is more than just ACC.
Same with every stat. A +5 VIT ring will mitigate more damage than a +10 DEF ring, etc.
STR also improves WS damage far more than Attack, and more importantly, 4 STR= +1 DMG on your weapon, give or take depending on what you're fighting.
Likewise, DEX is more than just ACC.
Same with every stat. A +5 VIT ring will mitigate more damage than a +10 DEF ring, etc.
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^ What he said, although I'm not sure about that VIT thing. I've been told after a certain point that VIT doesn't make as big a difference as more Defense does. But thats a topic for another thread... lol
Yeah, when I first leveled DRK I used that tiger one. But once I got a spike necklace. I've used it on every DD I lvled since, until 60 (Chiv Chain). <3 Spike Necklace.
And DD advice is welcome from a PLD!! lol But it will just be taken with a grain of salt.. ;) j/k! I <333 PLD
Yeah, when I first leveled DRK I used that tiger one. But once I got a spike necklace. I've used it on every DD I lvled since, until 60 (Chiv Chain). <3 Spike Necklace.
And DD advice is welcome from a PLD!! lol But it will just be taken with a grain of salt.. ;) j/k! I <333 PLD
That makes a lot of sense now; thanks for clearing it up! ^^
D;
Lakshmi.Wardens said:
DD advice is welcome from a PLD!! lol But it will just be taken with a grain of salt.. ;) j/k! I <333 PLD
D;
Ragnarok.Anye said:
It's very common to TP in Tiger Stole and then macro in Spike Necklace when you fire a weaponskill. :)
lolololol
<_< I feel like deleting my post now. May the gods of damage dealing be ever so swift in their judgment towards me. I BEG FORGIVENESS! MERCYYYYY T_T
Siren.Enternius said:
Spike. /endthread. Lol, but no really. Attack is only good for RNG at low levels.
this
Ragnarok.Anye said:
That makes a lot of sense now; thanks for clearing it up! ^^ D;
Lakshmi.Wardens said:
DD advice is welcome from a PLD!! lol But it will just be taken with a grain of salt.. ;) j/k! I <333 PLD
I'm sowwy!! ;_; lol
Ragnarok.Anye said:
<_< I feel like deleting my post now. May the gods of damage dealing be ever so swift in their judgment towards me. I BEG FORGIVENESS! MERCYYYYY T_T
and nevaaaahhh!! >:D
It will forever be remembered in this quote!! Bwahaha!!!
Sylph.Beelshamen said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
It's very common to TP in Tiger Stole and then macro in Spike Necklace when you fire a weaponskill. :)
Ragnarok.Anye said:
<_< I feel like deleting my post now. May the gods of damage dealing be ever so swift in their judgment towards me. I BEG FORGIVENESS! MERCYYYYY T_T
My mog house, ten mins, and it'll be done!
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XD ok /rerail~ I feel bad for derailing the thread this far already. XD <3
Most jobs, Spike neckalce can be used until Chiv chain, unless you got the money to dish out, or got the rare ex for p charm.
How's it derailed? lol it was definitively answered by the first response xD
Lets just start talking about how awesome PLD is!!
Hmm... I guess lots of people do like peacock charm.. I've never been a fan. I like the store tp and the STR from Chiv Chain. But I know for DRK zergs PCC is supposed to be good.
Lets just start talking about how awesome PLD is!!
Hmm... I guess lots of people do like peacock charm.. I've never been a fan. I like the store tp and the STR from Chiv Chain. But I know for DRK zergs PCC is supposed to be good.
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Actually, Anye, I object. The OP has been responded to, so now it's either derail or nothing!
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i love how these posts get derailed in such a good way ^_^
on a side note: on 2 handers i thought it was 3 stat = 2..... am i wrong??
on a side note: on 2 handers i thought it was 3 stat = 2..... am i wrong??
Siren.Delirium said:
i love how these posts get derailed in such a good way ^_^
on a side note: on 2 handers i thought it was 3 stat = 2..... am i wrong??
on a side note: on 2 handers i thought it was 3 stat = 2..... am i wrong??
1 STR = 0.75 attack for two handers. Not going to work out if that's the same thing, my head's hurting today, haha.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
XD ok /rerail~ I feel bad for derailing the thread this far already. XD <3
Don't worry about it. We got some good laughs out of it. No harm done.
Spike Necklace---> Chiv chain
it's what I did, worked well ^^
it's what I did, worked well ^^
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milich of allakhazam said:
at 21, i’d imagine tiger stole wins, and they quickly become even, but i’m not sure. um... let’s see what weapon you use then...
k, neckchopper. so base dmg is about 45. spike necklace has a 75% chance of raising base dmg by 1. assuming that happens, it’s about a 2.222% increase. 3DEX gives about 2ACC, and thus 1ACC%. assuming your ACC is mad low (50%), that’s a 2% increase for a total increase of 4.2%. the ACC bonus will be more or less static, and the base dmg % increase will get lower as your weapons’ base dmgs increase. however, the total bonus should always hover around 3%.
5ATT will give around a 4% increase once your ATT is, um.... let’s do algebra, assuming mobs are 7 levels above you:
[((X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35)-(X/(X/1.25)-.35)]/(X/(X/1.25)-.35) = .04
well, (X/(X/1.25)-.35) = X * X/1.25 - .35 which = 1.25 - .35, which = .9, so...
our original equation can become...
[((X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35) - .9]/.9 = .04
((X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35) - .9 = .036
(X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35 = .936
(X+5)/(X/1.25) = 1.286
(1.25X + 6.25)/X = 1.286
1.25X + 6.25 = 1.286X
6.25 = .036X
173.611 = X
soooooo, tiger stole will beat spike necklace until your ATT is around 175. the lower the mobs DEF, the earlier spike necklace will come out ahead, but this is about as close to a “general rule” as one could deduce on the topic.
k, neckchopper. so base dmg is about 45. spike necklace has a 75% chance of raising base dmg by 1. assuming that happens, it’s about a 2.222% increase. 3DEX gives about 2ACC, and thus 1ACC%. assuming your ACC is mad low (50%), that’s a 2% increase for a total increase of 4.2%. the ACC bonus will be more or less static, and the base dmg % increase will get lower as your weapons’ base dmgs increase. however, the total bonus should always hover around 3%.
5ATT will give around a 4% increase once your ATT is, um.... let’s do algebra, assuming mobs are 7 levels above you:
[((X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35)-(X/(X/1.25)-.35)]/(X/(X/1.25)-.35) = .04
well, (X/(X/1.25)-.35) = X * X/1.25 - .35 which = 1.25 - .35, which = .9, so...
our original equation can become...
[((X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35) - .9]/.9 = .04
((X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35) - .9 = .036
(X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35 = .936
(X+5)/(X/1.25) = 1.286
(1.25X + 6.25)/X = 1.286
1.25X + 6.25 = 1.286X
6.25 = .036X
173.611 = X
soooooo, tiger stole will beat spike necklace until your ATT is around 175. the lower the mobs DEF, the earlier spike necklace will come out ahead, but this is about as close to a “general rule” as one could deduce on the topic.
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Garuda.Wooooodum said:
Siren.Delirium said:
i love how these posts get derailed in such a good way ^_^ on a side note: on 2 handers i thought it was 3 stat = 2..... am i wrong??
okay cool got it
so 4 Stat = 3
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