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 Asura.Yottaxa
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By Asura.Yottaxa 2022-06-29 05:44:14  
The official ama post just added this? It wasn't originally answered correct?
Ama offical post…

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The game was designed for 56k modems, with a peak download bandwidth requirement of about 6kb/s (2.5kb packets every 400ms). Modern internet connections have much higher bandwidths. What prevents you from modestly increasing the bitrate to provide a more responsive experience?

A: The packet data sent and received by FFXI is very small, and the game is structured in such a way that increasing the amount of data wouldn't do much for the game. So rather than being unable to do so, it's more accurate to say that it'd be a meaningless change. If you're referring to the network delay, I believe that tends to be more noticeable on Worlds with higher server loads, and would ask that you consider playing on another World

Boy are they like dead wrong about it being a meaningless change? It almost sounds like they can change it and dont think it matters?
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By Shiva.Thorny 2022-06-29 06:18:52  
It definitely wasn't originally answered, we waited a week after the AMA to see if they said anything that would imply this could cause negative impact to them.

I would just assume they don't really have any idea the deeper impacts of the change, and wanted an easy way to say no.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-06-29 06:35:56  
Just a longer version of "ps2 limitations" aka; "we simply don't feel like it. Stop asking us to do stuff and be grateful you get anything, peasant."
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2022-06-29 06:59:36  
Shiva.Thorny said: »
I would just assume they don't really have any idea the deeper impacts of the change, and wanted an easy way to say no.

Yeah, this reads like the FFXI network system is spooky code for the current team.

Err... they did reply to my prioritization question but they asked me for more examples. I have no idea how to reply to them. The thread is closed. I guess I'll wait for them to maybe cross-post this on the reddit thread?
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By Mystil 2022-06-29 07:32:39  
Where can i download this for windower? thanks
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-06-29 08:12:03  
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Shiva.Thorny said: »
I would just assume they don't really have any idea the deeper impacts of the change, and wanted an easy way to say no.

Yeah, this reads like the FFXI network system is spooky code for the current team.

Err... they did reply to my prioritization question but they asked me for more examples. I have no idea how to reply to them. The thread is closed. I guess I'll wait for them to maybe cross-post this on the reddit thread?

They likely have no idea that the prioritization is working in reverse or how any of the netcode works in the first place. It's one of those things that most treat as "set and forget".
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By Asura.Daleterrence 2022-06-29 09:08:33  
ryukin182 said: »
GwenStacy said: »
so has anyone been banned for this yet
Been using it since it released. No bans on any character

Been full-timing it also since release and not been bonked as of yet
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By Asura.Neviskio 2022-06-29 09:21:56  
could be worth opening a tread in the official forums with a catchy title in reference to their request, maybe also cheekily try to casually mention the improvements of this? They did say in the ama they monitor the OF, not much of a loss to try I suppose.
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By RadialArcana 2022-06-29 09:40:21  
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Shiva.Thorny said: »
I would just assume they don't really have any idea the deeper impacts of the change, and wanted an easy way to say no.

Yeah, this reads like the FFXI network system is spooky code for the current team.

Err... they did reply to my prioritization question but they asked me for more examples. I have no idea how to reply to them. The thread is closed. I guess I'll wait for them to maybe cross-post this on the reddit thread?

Send them a private message on reddit maybe, you'll be messaging the community team but they can pass it on if they see it.

https://www.reddit.com/user/FFXI_DevelopmentTeam
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By Asura.Iamaman 2022-06-29 10:51:36  
Maintaining and making major changes to legacy code can be scary, especially for something like this. You've got to remember most of this code was probably written or started 20-25 years ago, most of the engineers that worked on it are going to be at least in their mid 40s or early 50s, likely having long since moved on or up. My experience being that it's not uncommon even among large organizations for there to be maybe be 1 or 2 people left with any faint memory of how it works, that's if anyone even knows where the code is to begin with (doubt that is an issue here).

There is also the possibility that they don't own or didn't write all of the code themselves, if they are using libraries from another source then it's possible they don't have visibility into everything it is doing and lack the ability/staff/funding to figure it out. It seems unlikely, but it is possible another group within SE wrote it and they are just consumers of it, although recent changes to the way items are loaded would point to this not being the case, at least in part. Things like this are often why reverse engineers have better visibility and understanding into how things work compared to the actual developer, but especially with old/legacy code.

Unless they have someone that knows the ins and outs of it or is capable of looking at it to find all the possible corner cases where it could break, it's just easier and safer for them to say no and move on.
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By Bahamut.Balduran 2022-06-29 17:02:54  
RadialArcana said: »
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Shiva.Thorny said: »
I would just assume they don't really have any idea the deeper impacts of the change, and wanted an easy way to say no.

Yeah, this reads like the FFXI network system is spooky code for the current team.

Err... they did reply to my prioritization question but they asked me for more examples. I have no idea how to reply to them. The thread is closed. I guess I'll wait for them to maybe cross-post this on the reddit thread?

Send them a private message on reddit maybe, you'll be messaging the community team but they can pass it on if they see it.

https://www.reddit.com/user/FFXI_DevelopmentTeam

Okieeeomi and Psyseeker are live on twitch right now, maybe a good idea to drop them a note they can pass to the AMA team?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2022-06-30 07:48:59  
I'll try a reddit DM and move to other methods if I get no response after a few days.
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By IBHalliwell 2022-07-04 19:08:28  
Hello,

How does one obtain PacketFlow? I checked github and couldn't find it.

I already tired: Go to Windower's app with the 3 tabs, choose the plugins tab,on your keyboard: ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

I know I figured it out once because I have Bidder (ah, obox, dbox) and JaZero. Guess you have to do it again after they add a new hidden plugin.

I did NOTICE the list moving as I did the ↑↑↓↓ maybe they should or maybe not, which? Bottom line: What am I doing wrong?

Thank you so very much in advance for your help.

Here's a real cheat --- can someone send me the DDL, please? Thanks.
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By Asura.Aburaage 2022-07-04 19:16:25  
windower client, plugin tab, press konami code, and it'll show up
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By IBHalliwell 2022-07-04 19:19:20  
Asura.Aburaage said: »
windower client, plugin tab, press konami code, and it'll show up

I tried that and PacketFlow didn't show up. I've been successful in the past, as I have Bidder and JaZero.

Thanks for your reply and hopefully an idea on what I did wrong.
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By IBHalliwell 2022-07-04 19:27:12  
I feel like I'm insane doing the same ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA on my keyboard on the Plugins tab and expecting it to work. Isn't there something about doing the same thing time and time again and expecting a different result being the sign of insanity?

I don't mind it being complex. I do mind when it doesn't work, but it must be something I'm doing wrong - but what?

Up Arrow
Up Arrow
Down Arrow
Down Arrow
Left Arrow
Right Arrow
Left Arrow
Left Arrow
Capital B
Capital A

Right?
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By Lakshmi.Zaps 2022-07-04 19:28:16  
hit enter at the end, caps don't matter, and hitting caps lock probably breaks it
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By IBHalliwell 2022-07-04 19:41:51  
Lakshmi.Zaps said: »
hit enter at the end, caps don't matter, and hitting caps lock probably breaks it


THANK YOU it worked! I used lower case b and a

Thus what I'm seeing is people have been giving the wrong code because at a minimum they don't tell us about the enter key.

Thus the correct code (at least the one that worked for me - Thank you to "Lakshmi.Zaps") is:

From the Plugins tab of the Windower program:

↑↑↓↓←→←→ba enter key
No space between "ba" and enter key.

Up Arrow
Up Arrow
Down Arrow
Down Arrow
Left Arrow
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Left Arrow
Left Arrow
lower case b
lower case a
enter key

At least it worked for me.

Question: Is there a symbol for the enter key?
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By IBHalliwell 2022-07-04 19:45:55  
Question: Now that I have PacketFlow installed - thank you to everyone who helped! Are there any commands / options / etc for it?

I did look for any additional files (e.g. Readme, settings, etc) but only the DLL came down with it.
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By Asura.Raelia 2022-07-04 23:05:41  
There's a config file with one option for whether to enable it everywhere instead of just the bugged laggy instances.
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By IBHalliwell 2022-07-05 00:33:27  
Asura.Raelia said: »
There's a config file with one option for whether to enable it everywhere instead of just the bugged laggy instances.
COOL / GREAT! Where do I learn more about it? Thank you for replying! :)
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-07-05 10:10:46  
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Where do I learn more about it?
You can change the plugin to run all the time, by default for windower it only runs in instances.
Nothing else to learn.
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By IBHalliwell 2022-07-06 14:12:49  
Asura.Bippin said: »
IBHalliwell said: »
Where do I learn more about it?
You can change the plugin to run all the time, by default for windower it only runs in instances.
Nothing else to learn.

OK. How do I change it to run all the time? In what instances does it run by default? I can't find any documentation (easily). Is the documentation in this very long thread? If yes, where might I find it?

Thank you.
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By GetHelpNerd 2022-07-06 14:17:45  
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/56713/packetflow-for-ashita-and-windower#3627230

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By Asura.Bippin 2022-07-06 14:21:24  
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How do I change it to run all the time?
Have you opened the setting file...

IBHalliwell said: »
In what instances does it run by default?
I would assume Dynamis D, Ody and maybe Ambu but I don't know.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2022-07-06 14:25:57  
It runs in all layered zones (Dynamis D, Ambuscade, Meebles, MMM, Campaign Ops, Assault, Odyssey, etc.)
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By DaneBlood 2022-07-06 14:36:00  
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
It runs in all layered zones (Dynamis D, Ambuscade, Meebles, MMM, Campaign Ops, Assault, Odyssey, etc.)

out of extreme curiosity.
Is this hardcoded for each zone or can it autodetect zones that are instanced ?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2022-07-06 15:20:49  
It is just a list of all the zone IDs that those events use, which are never reused for non-layered content.
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By IBHalliwell 2022-07-07 15:48:14  
Asura.Bippin said: »
IBHalliwell said: »
How do I change it to run all the time?
Have you opened the setting file...

IBHalliwell said: »
In what instances does it run by default?
I would assume Dynamis D, Ody and maybe Ambu but I don't know.

Yes, I have Settings.xml open. Mine has as its content:

<settings>
<global>
<instancesOnly>true</instancesOnly>
</global>
</settings>

I would change "true" to "false," correct? To make sure I understand it: Changing to false would me it would run everywhere and not just the specifically coded zones, right?

Thank you for your reply and help.
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IBHalliwell said: »
I would change "true" to "false," correct?
Yes
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