Fixing The MW 3-8 Cashgrab

It's better than being an expert on all things whining and throwing temper tantrums when you don't get your way

Oh, you were forced to buy the wardrobes. Now I see why you're upset. SE made them optional for me. Lol

He's just mad at life bro. Let him whine into deaf ears.

The inventory system in this game is incredibly dysfunctional. The "fix" for it, is to charge the players more so that it kinda matters less. It's a slap in the face and an insult to our intelligence. You're not offended, because you're just not that smart.

I'm not offended because that's a stupid reason to be bitter.

Imagine being "offended" by an online game. We got some Karens up in here.

I hate stock accounts but he is 100% right...

No sock. Made a new account and relinked when guildwork broke a while back.

so are for example exp boosts in free2play games, at least on paper. the reality is those games are developed around the fact that they sell exp boosts, they make exp grinding increasingly tedious to incentives exp boost purchases.
FFXI has wardrobes and sure enough it's designed to make inventory management increasingly tedious to sell more wardrobes.

I see the point you're trying to make, but I would disagree, at least partially.

My only experience with a game with a cash shop that sells exp boosts is FFXIV (not a f2p game, but still), and I think the idea of actually buying an exp boost is really silly. You're basically robbing yourself of the experience of doing the stories in FFXIV, which are great (it's like 80% of the reason to play FFXIV for me, I don't do any of the side stuff on FFXIV). You're also robbing yourself of the seeing the zones, the music, the fights, ect. It just dilutes everything, even the endgame fights when you don't understand the context. I would assume even f2p games would have a similar effect as well.

I really just don't believe they set out to make inventory bad from the start to make more money years down the road. I think it's more likely they didn't envision the game coming this far, and then took the path of least resistance to "fix" the problem. Would have been nice to have a bundle package of some sort I suppose. All wardrobes for $6/month or something like that.

Which games are you referring to in particular though, so I know to steer clear? lol

To argue that XI was developed around making inventory management tedious to sell you wardrobes 20 years on is a helluva stretch.

And, really, the latest gear with Odyssey has eased gear issues. Odd strategy if they're developing around *forcing* you to get wardrobes.

odyssey gear is not as much of a inventory disburden as you make it out to be. if you look up the BiS guides you'll notice quite a couple of times only a few odyssey pieces replacing old gear, not always the entire set and a lot of times only at a high rankings. more importantly most of the inventory strain comes from accessories, ambu capes and dark matter augments with exotic stats like +refresh, phalanx, block rate, treasure hunter that you barely find on the new sets.
odyssey also asks you to bring 3 well equiped jobs which more than outweights the couple of pieces the new odyssey sets replace.

a MMO has to introduce new equipment to keep the gear grind going since it's the only thing that keeps players subscribed. FFXI also sets itself up for horizontal gear progression which means to keep old equipment relevant. both combined can only channel in inventory strain.
however i'm not claiming SE conciously planned mog wardrobes already back at vanilla launch, their roadmap was never planned ahead that far in the future.

now get your tinfoil hats ready boys:
skirmish (hunts aside, almost nobody did them) afaik was the first event that put big emphasis on augment rewards and was introduced with the adoulin expansion on March 27th 2013. 2 Escha/Reisenjima zones and their augment equipment were first introduced between May 14th 2015 and November 2015 ambuscade with its augmented capes was first introduced on April 5th 2016.
unfortunately i can't find dates for roadmaps/financing cycles for that time frame but somewhere in on FFXIAH i remember reading the info of 3 years roadmap/financing cycles pre Rhapsodies of Vanadiel and 1 year cycles afterwards (if someone has a official link feel free to post it).
the first wardrobes got introduced in may 2014.

it's very reasonable to conclude that at least some of the heavy inventory strain was planned out within the same roadmap that scheduled the mog wardrobes.

I don't think you can make a reasonable case that items were introduced with the goal of cluttering inventory. I think SE became aware of how bad an issue inventory clutter was, and realized that rather than creating a solution that will be long term sustainable and solve it for the players, they could charge monthly for wardrobes and get some microtransactions in.

As I've said in every one of these threads, it would be trivial to introduce a prismatic wardrobe that has different contents for each job. It would still have been feasible to increase inventory size to like 200 slots a container if they reworked the packet flow a little bit(which they should have done anyway), as soon as consoles were out of the picture. Their own mentioned idea of being able to equip JSE without having to carry it isn't as good as either, but it would have still been better than wardrobes.

I honestly can't see Bosworth or Velner posts as good faith arguments. They're not defending SE's actions, they're essentially just calling everyone else poor and saying to deal with what you get over and over. Might have better grammar than GetHelpNerd, but they're certainly not any deeper.

He didn't say or imply that it was designed 20 years ago to sell you wardrobes. Its initial design was tedious of course but they could have fixed this years ago. "Fixing" it by selling you the fix is shady at best.


It almost looks like that but they still added more gear. While the gear does replace some already in the game, it does not replace everything. I still maintain that the worst thing to exacerbate the problem was ambuscade capes. I love them but man do they hog space.

It replaces quite a bit tho

Not enough to make someone say "Shew, look at all this space I now have!" At R25, you can replace your Cor's Malignance with Ikenga but you'll still need either Malignance or Nyame for DT. So now I went from 5 pieces of gear to 10. No matter what, they're still adding things to the game on top of the few sets that just replace a few pieces.

I haven't been active on FFXI much in a while (except for by way of my coding community) in no small part due to inventory space making changing jobs for Odyssey bosses awkward for me. I've been waiting to see what they came up with for an inventory solution, and this decision (along with SE's president talking up NFT plans) was enough for me to fully cancel any forseeable plans to play and stop supporting my code.

At the end of the day, businesses are doing their best to increase their revenue, all we can and should do as consumers is support business decisions we like, and resist ones we dislike, by voting with our wallets and/or publicizing our sentiment (which ends up being more money by how we sway others.)

The developers have stated that in 2005 (after chains of promathia, which was supposed to be the end of XI originally due to ps2 winding down) they had a discussion as to what they were going to do with XI. Overhaul the entire game and future proof it with a new engine and devkit for ps3, xbox and pc or make a new game from scratch. Both of these options were supposed to be for the XI audience. They decided to make a new game from scratch for us to move onto because that was more exciting for them as a project.


XIV was originally called project rapture, which means ascend into heaven when the world is destroyed I believe. They have even stated the only reason the races were copy and pasted was to make transition easier to this new game they made for us. The problem is, they didn't really know what we liked or wanted and so made a total shtshow and so were stuck with a) XI still having serious issues it had in 2005 and b) a new game nobody liked. A double whammy.

At a point of total chaos they just decided they had no idea what we were all about at all or were too difficult to please and so just reworked XIV into Final fantasy wow and tried to appeal to a new audience instead. XI was allowed to continue running "as is" while they put most of their attention into XIV.

The fundamental issues that exist with XI now are are becasue it's a 20 year old piece of code, updated on a 20 year old dev kit that has evolved via updates in a way that wasn't really intended originally. These big issues are never going to be fixed because the project doesn't make enough money to warrant a massive rework above and beyond what they are doing, because there is probably still some -bad feelings- at a company level at us and because they don't want to appeal to new players on this since that is what XIV is for (why would you want to attract new players to a game with no cash shop?). It is what it is, you have to accept the engine flaws (such as inventory issues or whatever) of the game if you want to play it.

At the end of the day, if Tanaka had instead updated XI for ps3 they would of still made a total mess of it and XI would of been destroyed in the process. So even though we have flaws with the game now due to bad decisions it means we still have XI to play.

It's stupid to complain about foundational issues with XI in 2022 because for the reasons above they are not going to fix them. You can complain cause you don't like how the money is being used or you can just be a realist and be happy its running at all.

It needs to be understood that Square Enix and the FF11 developers are two different things, square enix is a corporation run by suits who only care about money and profit margins. The FF11 developers have devoted and still devote their careers to this game to keep it running, and do go above and beyond what is expected to try keep us invested in the game. They have a limited budget and try to keep both sides happy, players and head office.

To quote from the latest "my playlist from Yaeko Sato (she is the main writer from windurst storylines and CoP, as well as the main story planner for 14/ARR I believe) and who is apparently working on VR.

"Here is a song from The Voracious Resurgence, a series of quests we're currently working on with our full effort. This song helps convey that the journey continues for all of you, our adventureres, in the vast and unending world of Vana'diel"

Just did a bit of research on Yaeko Sato earlier due to the playlist. I remembered her writing some stuff but wasn't sure what.

the source you linked has nothing to do with your statement, making your statement an opinion. i didn't quote all of it because no one wants to read your *** twice

many people a lot smarter than you that know ffxi a lot better than you have told you several times that they definitely have the ability to provide better solutions that are relatively easy from the technical perspective. many of these solutions have been implemented in the forms of windower/ashita functionality and plugins or addons without even having the source code of the game.

you just don't like that solution because you prefer to live in a fantasy world, that is the truth of the matter.

WoW was on very old code too but it got updated to take advantage of newer hardware and an overhauled UI. I doubt anybody was wanting a complete overhaul, just update the code to take advantage of multicore CPUs and loading would be a huge thing.

Came back after a couple of days to see that lo and behold you all were still here.

I'm just going to gently close the lid on you guys and walk away on tiptoes.

I'll send some food and water over later.

I have never called anyone poor, I would never do that. And I never said "deal with it".

My point hasn't changed. They're optional. If you're completely against more paid wardrobes, fair enough. Don't buy them. That has always been my point, and is what I'm doing myself.

At the end of the day, I would think most people would be able to get by with just 1 of the new wardrobes. I can't really think of any reason why you'd NEED them all. So, I would think this would translate, for most people, into a $2/month increase.

I get your point of they could have done this better. That's probably true. My point is no amount of complaining, crying, outrage, and personal insults thrown at people who disagree is going to change anything. You withholding your money is what they'd see. Nothing else. Use that power.

I think everyone knows that. I do not like the idea but I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm "completely against". I pay for 2 wardrobes and I just (personally) think it's shady to make people pay for additional storage when other MMOs (just as old) get more storage for absolutely free.


And as true as that is, it also takes quite a few to vote too but unfortunately, most people's obsessions prevent them from doing so. Just 1 person not paying doesn't even dent the bottom line to raise a red flag. That's why it's a non-issue when 1 disgruntled player gets ultra shafted and quits. WoW (used to...) ask you why but no matter what crap you endured, it was a waste of time telling them.

"b-b-b-b-but WOW did it!"

Reminds me of the days long ago when bedtime would roll around we'd say things like...

"B-b-b-but Billy's parents let him stay up!"

Did that ever work? Did your parents ever say "holy crap, BILLY'S parents let HIM stay up? Honey, what are we, Nazis? We're killin this kid here. Hey, go to the kitchen and get some whisky, we're stayin up all night!"


lol I love how some peoples levels of entitlement are such, that they justify said entitlement by pointing at some other entity doing what they want and saying "SEEEEEEEE!!!1!11!!!!!"

If you like WoW's business model, then go play Wow, and quit crying about optional add on services.

people looking for a SOLUTION are more than entitled to complain about this as a SOLUTION to inventory woes.

i'm not sure what about this isn't clear to you. this is circular as *** because your argument is *** stupid.

"vote with your wallet" ok, lots of people have, as referenced by selindrile and a few others. the rest of us though are very disappointed in this SOLUTION to inventory problems and are expressing our disappointment, if you don't like it, this thread is optional, please leave.

here is the poll from reddit, feel free to make whatever excuses you'd like regarding the sample size and userbase of reddit but i believe it accurately represents the population based on the # of votes.



it is not a vocal minority, most people are displeased with this as a solution, i'm sure you'll want to create a few sock accounts to vote so here you go:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/ssxo5m/where_do_you_stand_on_the_mog_wardrobe_58_8month/

The problem is the only options for people who are mad about this is to simply not buy the wardrobes or stop playing altogether. Both of these options hit SE's income. Complaining and screaming into the sky has virtually zero chance of changing anything. If enough people withhold money from SE, we have a higher chance of them noticing that. If we really want any kind of change, I would think this would be the best way to go.

I have a similar position on updates in general. If SE puts out a weak update that doesn't include anything to get excited for, I respond by unsubbing until they do. I'm really not sure why this isn't common practice for online gaming in general.

Same goes for you, champion. I am not an entitled brat, and have no issue with this solution. If you don't like that, perhaps you should take your own advice, and flounce.

:)

I have not once called anybody poor in this thread or anything reasonably close to it. Pointing out that it's an optional service cannot be reasonably construed as calling somebody "poor." What's good faith about just making stuff up?

lol MOST are displeased? Looks to me like MOST said they don't mind paying.

lol are you hard-of-reading or something?

Also, voting closed on it 6 days ago, genius.