Official BLM Epeen Vs SCH Epeen Thread!! Keep These Fights Clean!

It's not really clear enough considering that the high travel environment of nyzul favors haste over march, especially if the brd is pulling. Another benefit is haste will keep you from getting slowed, march won't. So equating the two of them is silly at best.

Well when you go with people that dont know not to stand in front of him, it becomes a problem.

If your Bard can't keep double march up while pulling, your have a shitty bard. If your healer is incapable of erasing slow in a matter of seconds, you have a shitty healer.

If your Bard can't keep double march up while pulling, your have a shitty bard. If your healer is incapable of erasing slow in a matter of seconds, you have a shitty healer.

We never really cared lol its single target so meh.

Fossilizing Breath - Targeted Cone Attack Petrification.

If you pitted a SCH/BLM against a BLM/SCH... i guarantee the SCH will do more damage before both are completely out of MP.

And we will be sure to get a sch brd cor smn and blu up there as well. Are you noticing a trend? Anything you can do we can do? Jesus H Christ, it's as if you think we can't invite those same jobs and do what you do?

Aaroca is completely correct in every literal aspect she just mentioned. Completely unbiased, has all the jobs, and actually has experienced all of them first hand as I and Enternius have. In Light Arts mode i have almost 900MP just as my WHM does. Can't forget about the merited emnity- stratagem on spells for both arts as well. I have gone and much better enjoyed SCH/RDM than WHM/SCH in low man things and will continue to do so. Nobody has even come close to the tip of the iceberg on SCH performance in every aspect... just flat out arguing over higher nuke damage numbers. It's really rather sad.

Quote of the day. Lets get this out now. SCH can heal. SCH can enfeeble. SCH can nuke. For a SCH to heal, they would need to be SCH/WHM (to heal at its maximum potential, thanks to the boost to MND, Auto-Regen, Divine Seal that /WHM gives, plus the ability to cast -na spells without using a charge) For a SCH to enfeeble, they would need to be SCH/RDM (to use Gravity, to use Slow, to use Paralyze, to use Blind, to have all access to all enfeeble spells) For a SCH to nuke, they would need to be SCH/BLM (for the boost in INT, for a better Magic Attack Bonus than /RDM, and for Elemental Seal because, lets face it, MAcc on SCH sucks anyway). You cannot be all three at the same time. You have to have the specific subjobs to be good at any one particular subjob. You can be "good" at one particular job, or you can be "medicore" at all (by subbing /RDM or /SMN) but you can't be the "best" at anything because thats what specialty jobs (i.e. WHM, RDM, BLM) are there for.

Let's keep this "I think..." stuff to a minimum. To be completely honest, most people who haven't played SCH themselves don't know a damn thing about it. This talk that a BLM's individual nuke will out-perform a SCH's individual nuke is simply not true. I say this being both a well equipped, fully merited BLM as well as a well equipped, fully merited SCH. At this stage, I basically only have BLM to look pretty, and to stun, and for the very very rare situation where AoE nukes are actually necessary.

Let's consider a few things:

1. MP use over time
SCH obviously beats BLM hands down here. There's really nothing to discuss. SCH has Parsimony and Sublimation (+2) at their disposal; BLM does not. In fact, SCH is the most MP efficient job there is. You might argue that BLM/SCH has these things. Well for starters, I very, VERY strongly disapprove of BLM/SCH in almost every imaginable situation since they have absolutley no survivability. But aside from that, BLM's sublimation is only half as strong as a SCH using relic body and AF hat, and they only get a charge every 2 minutes instead of 4, and furthermore they can't even rest while sublimation is charging.

2. Damage per nuke
Anyone who claims that a BLM's individual nuke will outdo a SCH's individual nuke has obviously never seen a GOOD SCH at work before. Personally, my SCH's T4 WITHOUT Ebullience is roughly equivalent to my own BLM's T4 (keep in mind that my BLM is pretty well perfectly equipped). With Ebullience, it's roughly equal to AM2, and sometimes even better under the right circumstances (and costs half the MP and has way less recast!) so even if you put AM2 into the picture, a good SCH can STILL outdo a BLM's individual nukes.

3. Resist rate
It is true that a BLM's nuking accuracy is, in general, better than a SCH's; however, this isn't something that can't be easily made up for. For trash mobs, the difference in nuking accuracy makes absolutely no difference. If you're fighting an HNM, a SCH is still capable of breaking the 120/320 rule AND has Klimaform at their disposal, which, while has a long recast, can be kept up pretty much full time if combined with Alacrity.

4. DoTs!!!
These are really underestimated!! Helix is a truly amazing technique. A SCH keeping a helix up on an NM that's being kited will be doing more damage throughout the fight JUST in DoTs than your average BLM who is nuke spamming. Yes, the helix will take a full minute to do as much or more damage than a BLM's nuke, but requires virtually no MP in comparison and a SCH just DoTing will NEVER have to rest. In fact, they can still nuke quite frequently in conjunction with these DoTs while STILL never having to rest.

5. Other perks
SCH casts A LOT faster, has access to a much wider variety of useful spells (all -na spells including Stona, Raise II, Reraise II, Cure IV, Storms, Klimaform, Protect IV, Shell IV, Helix, Erase AND Dispel simultaneously), has much higher enfeebling magic skill than BLM, AOE buffs, AOE enfeebles, and the sheer versatility of being able to switch between roles freely. There are probably a few other things I failed to mention also.

Don't get me wrong, I love my BLM too and still think it's a great job, but in my experience, a GOOD SCH outshines it in almost every conceivable way. The catch is that the SCH has to be very well equipped and be able to play worth a *** (because let's face it, most SCHs out there are really terrible at playing the job. It is a rather complicated one).

Holy ***did you even bother to read or did you just skim? If your just going to half *** ***I'm not even going to reply to you.

LMAO I was just gonna say that. Plus SCH/BLM would get burn anyway too. And what fast cast gears do blm have access to that sch cannot?

your actually comparing burn to helix spells for DoT? gtfo.

LMAO I was just gonna say that. Plus SCH/BLM would get burn anyway too. And what fast cast gears do blm have access to that sch cannot? If anything it would be SCH that has more fastcast gear than BLM.

why do you think so few people bother leveling sch past a sub for whm? is it the same reason why so few level puppetmaster?

Not maat jobs...

Nope but I was toying with the idea of sch/drk today, think it would be fun to try out.

I find it odd how you said you want to avoid any drama but you respond to the first post by insulting Scholars.

The fights been going on for 8 pages and you bring that up now!?