Official BLM Epeen Vs SCH Epeen Thread!! Keep These Fights Clean!

Did someone say... attercops?!? :O

Without any bonuses:




With abs-int used and burn on the fat spidaaaar ,,(,,;;,,),, :




If only I had that last 10 pet MAB from random tenshodo chest/fey weapon fight... I could break 2k. /cry

Oh hey, I didn't know I could do image links. gonna turn those direct links to images on first post then. (/ o.o)/

1286... wow. Seriously.
As you can see this first one is no day no enchantment nothing but food and sanction solo on light day wind weather




This 2nd and 3rd one were done with spirit on lightningday still neutral day and same food. Mostly did both burst and thunder cause I forget was comparing thunder at first lol.

I dislike liars too, Princemercury, but the only person who loses when you start insulting in a discussion is the person doing the insulting, not the person you think is wrong. Keep it clean as per the thread title because it's a lot easier to provoke good debate from a positive post rather than a string of insults.

PS. Psion, take your PUP trolling somewhere else.

(That was sarcasm btw, lolpup. I'm on the bandwagon... ***, I AM the bandwagon.)

Oh Oh does that mean I can ride you mister bandwagon?

No, I'm sorry, that seat is reserved for Alyria.

She can sit on my lap. Neither of us would mind that I think.

>.>;

See she agrees

Love how those who disagree with me about my damage are those who don't play the game anymore...

I play the game, and I agree with your damage (you obviously did it)
I don't agree with the gear you clam to have used.

I wish I could show you the original screenshots, but since it was over a month ago (at least) I don't have it anymore. Even if I did, I'm pretty sure I didn't take the screenshot with my gears on because I only took the screenshot just to get the numbers off and save it in a file showing max damage so far.

This is true i guess. But im gonna throw a random sorta theory out.
If a sch and blm were to stick to Bliz and Thunder IV and rotate between the 2 for maximum (And effecient dmg). Both using Only Parsimony, who do you think would output the most dmg from start to finish.

Would sch having a charge always ready for every nuke = more dmg in the long run? + Helix on top vs w.e dot blm has.?

Not that it mtters at all ,because its all about Epeen in this thread. Im just curious because i lke to read and learn all this jazz.

Also ive been told for maximum effieciency. A blm would stick to TII~III spells and Stack INT for max dmg over MAB. (Due to the formula's working different on those tiers)

Instead of wasting our time defending it, why not reproduce it with a screenshot showing your gear and buffs like you said in the OP.

Because then he would have to get another spirit lantern, a COR for wizard's roll, or INT potion.

And I would, but unfortunally I have not had any free time to do so.

so are you admiting to other buffs then shown?

edit: its not my fight~ just asking ^^

Then you cannot expect anyone to take your numbers seriously. I posted my numbers earlier in this thread on page2 I think and you clearly said that they cannot be used because I was not showing gear. That's fine and I respect that. However you trying to defend YOUR numbers against your own rules is silly.

Edit: Page3

Well sure probably could do better dmg/mp on lower tier spells. You'll also just be feeding the mob tp which is kinda the point of getting max nukes. Also if a sch is rotating between thunder and blizz that would hurt there dmg due to weather.

You are right, I am defending it just because I have hit it, but I can't go out and prove straight away that I had help or not (for all I know I did, I don't remember having any SCHs in that BLM burn party or not, I'm pretty sure I didn't though)

Soo Your saying stick to one spell? Thus having a longer wait inbetween nukes? Thus allowing the sch to use more strat's ?

Seems like you just handed sch a point there.

either way for the Lower tier spells, was more based on End game situations for a blm being 100% more effecient.

Well efficiency can be looked at as a matter of time too. Sure to keep up the dmg you can stick to one spell and cast it what ever 30 sec or so? While blm cast 2-4 spells in that time and /heals

/sigh now your just twisting everything away from what i first stated.

/end discussion

Damn right I am! Seriously though there are choices but in the end they kinda just balance out.

Porkg, if you'd said that 21 pages ago we might have believed this was an honest mistake, but instead you've been trying to claim that it was unsupported this whole time when we all know damn well it wasn't. Nice try.

Lowblow, technically yes, but at the same time, very much no. It's "more efficient" because you'll do (pulls numbers out of his arse) 20 damage per MP with a T1 nuke (would make stone for 8mp do 40 damage), but only 10 damage per MP for a TIV nuke, (would make stone4 for 138mp do 1380 damage).

So while yes, you're getting more damage out of every last mp by using lower tier nukes, you'll never spend enough MP fast enough to make that "efficiency" work out for you. If you stand there cycling through stone > water > aero as fast as you can and being completely unresisted on all of them, by the time you've emptied your tank once, another BLM will have blown his load with AMII and TIV, rested to full and done it again, probably twice. So even ignoring the massive amounts of comparative tp you're feeding the mob compared to higher tiers, you're a long way behind in actuality.

You just didn't say that Blm can cast 2-4 spells in the same amount of time that Sch casts 1 did you?

I said a blm can cast 2-4 in the time it takes waiting for the recast on 1. And no I wont consider using the fast cast strat!

Has anyone answered my previous question yet? Looking for it now.

There's also endgame mobs tend to have more int so lower tier spells become not as efficient even loading up on int due to the low dint you can get. Just watch a sch helixing kirin lol. Also you could stick to nothing but alacrity drain. A blm should be able to get 300+ per drain ever 30sec for only 22mp each!

Question?

And why wouldn't you? That's the best strat of them all. Alacrity T4 > T3 > Alacrity T4 > T3... empty MP pool with no waiting for recast timers. There's no way a blm can keep up with that dmg output