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Defuding the Police & the Aftermath
By Viciouss 2020-08-15 17:46:23
I've never once said that, nor even implied it. Nice deflection attempt tho. Neither has Savael, Prong, nor myself said that, nor implied, for your response.
You were the one who deflected Prong's argument.
I'm just replying directly to your assertion. If you don't like it, don't make the blanked statements you always like to make.
Or is that a conspiracy the three of us have against you?
Prong did say that, actually, and your lying to cover for him. Its not working. Prong literally sat there and tried to claim that conservatives don't do the things that he believes "the left" does. He is full of ***. I didn't "deflect" anything. We have seen plenty of violence from the right, on a daily basis. I'm pretty sure a conservative walked into a Planned Parenthood and shot the place up, which directly refutes his example. This was a total strikeout. At least there was only one person stupid enough to + his post.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-15 18:30:45
I've never once said that, nor even implied it. Nice deflection attempt tho. Neither has Savael, Prong, nor myself said that, nor implied, for your response.
You were the one who deflected Prong's argument.
I'm just replying directly to your assertion. If you don't like it, don't make the blanked statements you always like to make.
Or is that a conspiracy the three of us have against you?
Prong did say that, actually, and your lying to cover for him. Its not working. Prong literally sat there and tried to claim that conservatives don't do the things that he believes "the left" does. He is full of ***. I didn't "deflect" anything. We have seen plenty of violence from the right, on a daily basis. I'm pretty sure a conservative walked into a Planned Parenthood and shot the place up, which directly refutes his example. This was a total strikeout. At least there was only one person stupid enough to + his post. No he didn't. You made up that argument because you couldn't even argue against his main point. Which is that conservatives are more likely to defend their freedoms than the left. Never mind it is the left that wants to abolish said freedoms (speech, religion, gun ownership, privacy, fair trial, illegal searches, etc.) and only when it is convenient for them (aka as long as their speech is protected, or their religion is protected, or if criminals go after them, or when others demand to know their ***, etc.).
You had to create an argument out of thin air just to debate him on something he never mentioned.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-15 18:30:45
anyone who honestly can look at themselves in the mirror and think its still a "Right vs Left" issue in terms of who's doing what has completely missed the boat.
The problems stem from extremism and sheltering one from opposing ideas through social media becoming too many people's "news". And its extremism on all sides, not even just "both sides".
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-15 18:32:00
Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »anyone who honestly can look at themselves in the mirror and think its still a "Right vs Left" issue in terms of who's doing what has completely missed the boat.
The problems stem from extremism and sheltering one from opposing ideas through social media becoming too many people's "news". And its extremism on all sides, not even just "both sides". To Vic, only the right are demons, and the left are nothing but angels.
He has yet to denounce anything that the left has done that is immoral or harmful, mainly because it goes against his narrative.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-15 18:34:59
Prong literally sat there and tried to claim that conservatives don't do the things that he believes "the left" does.
Would you claim that liberals don't do things that you believe "the right" does?
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-15 18:40:57
and once you accept that the extremists of any political belief are what corrupts it and clouds the message, you can then look to your own camp and see that yes, there are those who claim to share my beliefs, but due to their actions, they do more harm than good to the movement.
By Viciouss 2020-08-15 20:00:33
The completely insane "will do anything" folks firmly sit on the progressive/leftist side. Conservatives will gripe, get out and vote, attend some rallies in the hundreds and maybe do a podcast, but you don't see them burning down Planned Parenthood's in large, angry mobs. That's all the flavor of leftists.
Just to quote for reference, because KN's lies have gone so completely off the rails, yes, Prong alleged that the "completely insane, will do anything folks sit firmly on the left. You don't see conservatives burning down ***in large, angry mobs. Thats all the left does."
When in fact, yes, there are plenty of completely insane will do anything folks that sit firmly on the right. We DO see conservatives burning ***down in large, angry mobs all the time. For some unknown reason, KN is trying, and failing, to claim that Prong did not say this, despite it being right there for us all to see.
To Vic, only the right are demons, and the left are nothing but angels.
Once again, this is a complete lie.
By Viciouss 2020-08-15 20:04:21
Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »anyone who honestly can look at themselves in the mirror and think its still a "Right vs Left" issue in terms of who's doing what has completely missed the boat.
The problems stem from extremism and sheltering one from opposing ideas through social media becoming too many people's "news". And its extremism on all sides, not even just "both sides".
Its funny that KN would plus this post because he is the only one trying to prop up a statement that its just one side, the left. Unsuccessfully, I will add.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-15 21:55:39
Vic, just, stop.
Your desperation is astonishing...
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By Prong 2020-08-15 22:47:20
I've never once said that, nor even implied it. Nice deflection attempt tho. Neither has Savael, Prong, nor myself said that, nor implied, for your response.
You were the one who deflected Prong's argument.
I'm just replying directly to your assertion. If you don't like it, don't make the blanked statements you always like to make.
Or is that a conspiracy the three of us have against you?
Prong did say that, actually, and your lying to cover for him. Its not working. Prong literally sat there and tried to claim that conservatives don't do the things that he believes "the left" does. He is full of ***. I didn't "deflect" anything. We have seen plenty of violence from the right, on a daily basis. I'm pretty sure a conservative walked into a Planned Parenthood and shot the place up, which directly refutes his example. This was a total strikeout. At least there was only one person stupid enough to + his post.
Your the one full of ***. Show me the news article or video of a large group of conservatives attacking and burning down a Panned Parenthood, or, toppling Obama's statue, or blocking highways and dragging people who try to drive through them to get to work from their car. I'll wait.
By Prong 2020-08-15 22:51:50
Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »and once you accept that the extremists of any political belief are what corrupts it and clouds the message, you can then look to your own camp and see that yes, there are those who claim to share my beliefs, but due to their actions, they do more harm than good to the movement.
Here's the problem though, Cel. Right NOW, not the 1080s, or 1800s or even 1900s, right NOW, our media is vastly on the side of the insane fringe socialist left. Need evidence? How about the fact that the majority of the media won't dare squeak the words, "Yes, tens of thousands of rioters/protesters in the street, ignoring social distancing suggestions, based on medical professional's suggestions to NOT gather in large crowds, are most definitely spreading Covid-19 and endangering the lives of possibly millions." They won't say it, even though every single person here knows it is true, no matter what lies they spew on this forum to try and defend, "their side."
As soon as the media starts making excuses for an patting far right wing groups on the back for their dumbass actions like they do the ones on the left, then maybe I'll be concerned about those Neo nazis taking over the country.
By Prong 2020-08-15 22:58:48
Will crime (immediately) go up, yes. "People" will go out of their way just to try to prove the point that it was a bad idea. Put away the victim card. You're reading words that aren't there.
You literally inferred people would "go out of their way" to commit crime (based on the context of your response to Volk's post) to "prove the point" that de-funding the police is a bad idea.
Your victim card jab doesn't even make sense in that context, unless you meant that for someone else. If this is NOT somehow in a different universe what you meant, then please, explain.
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By Prong 2020-08-15 23:04:32
"People" will go out of their way just to try to prove the point that it was a bad idea.
You REALLY think conservatives would risk their freedom/possibly life in order to prove a political statement?
You VASTLY overestimate the average conservative's commitment to political ideological causes. The completely insane "will do anything" folks firmly sit on the progressive/leftist side. Conservatives will gripe, get out and vote, attend some rallies in the hundreds and maybe do a podcast, but you don't see them burning down Planned Parenthood's in large, angry mobs. That's all the flavor of leftists.
If there is a rise in criminal activity, such as there has been in New York, it's from legit criminals taking advantage of a period of accepted lawlessness. There are no, "conservative crime plant operatives" going on.
What is this delusion. You are trying to compare the "average conservative" to extremists on the left while pretending there are no extremists on the right? Hmm, and KN supported it, how amusing. There are plenty of extremists on the right that are out there killing people and doing all those things you think is unique to the left. Remember Heather Heyer? She was murdered by an extremist on the right at a "Unite the Right" rally full of said extremists. That was 3 years ago yes, but we have already gone into the crimes of the right as recently as this summer in I think Riot 4? Maybe Riot 3. There are numerous, documented "conservative crime plant operations" going on.
Ok let's get rid of that ONE word that twisted your panties. Let's replace, "average" with "extreme." My statement still stands. Your "extremist" examples of far right wing nutjobs doing horrible things is one guy here, one guy there. Yeah.
The left we can point to massive extremist leftists crowds bashing windows, burning down police headquarters, toppling statues, attacking single people, beating elderly, dragging people from their cars, TAKING OVER 6 city blocks and kicking the police out.
Again, show me groups of extremist conservatives in masse doing anything close to this in recent video. Never going to stop the onesee/twosees of ether side, they aren't the threat.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-15 23:11:07
Your the one full of ***. Show me the news article or video of a large group of conservatives attacking and burning down a Panned Parenthood, or, toppling Obama's statue, or blocking highways and dragging people who try to drive through them to get to work from their car. I'll wait.
How about conservative extremists driving cars into crowds of people at high speeds and killing them? Does that just not meet your criteria of extremism? I guess you are just ignoring the Unite the Right rally where Heather Heyer was murdered and others were seriously injured by a car ramming them.
Also, they aren't trying to "get to work," what kind of pathetic excuse is that? They are actively trying to KILL PEOPLE. That guy that murdered Heyer? Life Sentence. This fantasy that its just "the left" with extremists is pure ***. But this is nothing new from you Prong.
Vic, just, stop.
Your desperation is astonishing...
At no point have I ever been desperate, especially when debunking your lies. This isn't even a conspiracy, you and Prong are just outright lying. Its pretty pathetic but don't worry, I'm used to it.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-15 23:13:02
Your the one full of ***. Show me the news article or video of a large group of conservatives attacking and burning down a Panned Parenthood, or, toppling Obama's statue, or blocking highways and dragging people who try to drive through them to get to work from their car. I'll wait.
How about conservative extremists driving cars into crowds of people at high speeds and killing them? Does that just not meet your criteria of extremism? I guess you are just ignoring the Unite the Right rally where Heather Heyer was murdered and others were seriously injured by a car ramming them.
Also, they aren't trying to "get to work," what kind of pathetic excuse is that? They are actively trying to KILL PEOPLE. That guy that murdered Heyer? Life Sentence. This fantasy that its just "the left" with extremists is pure ***. But this is nothing new from you Prong.
Vic, just, stop.
Your desperation is astonishing...
At no point have I ever been desperate, especially when debunking your lies. This isn't even a conspiracy, you and Prong are just outright lying. Its pretty pathetic but don't worry, I'm used to it.
You still failed to produce evidence of large groups of conservative extremists.
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By Prong 2020-08-15 23:13:14
How about conservative extremists driving cars into crowds of people at high speeds and killing them? Does that just not meet your criteria of extremism?
Sure does. A SINGLE conservative extremist. Soon as a team of 50 or 60 of them start plowing into crowds, you may have a point.
By Prong 2020-08-15 23:14:58
Also, they aren't trying to "get to work," what kind of pathetic excuse is that?
The guy in the semi truck who got drug from his cab after "slightly" driving past a highway line of moons got drug from his truck and beaten. Now, last I checked, semi drivers, driving across the country to deliver good WAS a job. Can anyone confirm that it is no longer considered a JOB? I may be wrong.
By Viciouss 2020-08-15 23:18:51
"People" will go out of their way just to try to prove the point that it was a bad idea.
You REALLY think conservatives would risk their freedom/possibly life in order to prove a political statement?
You VASTLY overestimate the average conservative's commitment to political ideological causes. The completely insane "will do anything" folks firmly sit on the progressive/leftist side. Conservatives will gripe, get out and vote, attend some rallies in the hundreds and maybe do a podcast, but you don't see them burning down Planned Parenthood's in large, angry mobs. That's all the flavor of leftists.
If there is a rise in criminal activity, such as there has been in New York, it's from legit criminals taking advantage of a period of accepted lawlessness. There are no, "conservative crime plant operatives" going on.
What is this delusion. You are trying to compare the "average conservative" to extremists on the left while pretending there are no extremists on the right? Hmm, and KN supported it, how amusing. There are plenty of extremists on the right that are out there killing people and doing all those things you think is unique to the left. Remember Heather Heyer? She was murdered by an extremist on the right at a "Unite the Right" rally full of said extremists. That was 3 years ago yes, but we have already gone into the crimes of the right as recently as this summer in I think Riot 4? Maybe Riot 3. There are numerous, documented "conservative crime plant operations" going on.
Ok let's get rid of that ONE word that twisted your panties. Let's replace, "average" with "extreme." My statement still stands. Your "extremist" examples of far right wing nutjobs doing horrible things is one guy here, one guy there. Yeah.
The left we can point to massive extremist leftists crowds bashing windows, burning down police headquarters, toppling statues, attacking single people, beating elderly, dragging people from their cars, TAKING OVER 6 city blocks and kicking the police out.
Again, show me groups of extremist conservatives in masse doing anything close to this in recent video. Never going to stop the onesee/twosees of ether side, they aren't the threat.
Oh so now you are trying to claim "onsee/twosees?" Really? Nope, still full of ***. White supremacists hold rallies ALL THE TIME. Flying their Nazi flags, burning their crosses, stirring up violence with counter protesters, driving their cars into them, making sure their rap sheets are nice and long. They don't get mainstream coverage because they don't deserve it. But don't worry, they are out there, numbering in the tens of thousands. Its not like the KKK just up and vanished overnight to fit your narrative.
By Viciouss 2020-08-15 23:20:38
Your the one full of ***. Show me the news article or video of a large group of conservatives attacking and burning down a Panned Parenthood, or, toppling Obama's statue, or blocking highways and dragging people who try to drive through them to get to work from their car. I'll wait.
How about conservative extremists driving cars into crowds of people at high speeds and killing them? Does that just not meet your criteria of extremism? I guess you are just ignoring the Unite the Right rally where Heather Heyer was murdered and others were seriously injured by a car ramming them.
Also, they aren't trying to "get to work," what kind of pathetic excuse is that? They are actively trying to KILL PEOPLE. That guy that murdered Heyer? Life Sentence. This fantasy that its just "the left" with extremists is pure ***. But this is nothing new from you Prong.
Vic, just, stop.
Your desperation is astonishing...
At no point have I ever been desperate, especially when debunking your lies. This isn't even a conspiracy, you and Prong are just outright lying. Its pretty pathetic but don't worry, I'm used to it.
You still failed to produce evidence of large groups of conservative extremists.
Really? You want to read the article about Charlottesville again? Or see the picture of the car ramming the crowd? I haven't "failed" to do anything. I don't need to prove the existence of the KKK, or all of those other terrible white supremacist groups.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-15 23:22:20
Are you unaware of what a large group is, or?
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By Prong 2020-08-15 23:23:36
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The Minn Governer even came out later and said the man was confused and didn't mean to hurt anyone and in fact, didn't. Guy was driving with 70,000 lbs of flammable liquids up a slight incline and it wasn't til he rounded the bend did he even see the crowd of idiots blocking the highway.
There was a video showing the protesters drag him from the truck and start beating him until some of the protesters stepped in and stopped them. You'd have to be a complete idiot to stop and sit there as people are trying to get into your cab and kick your windshield in.
This is just one example, I'm not going to find more for you, you can use YouTube and Google as well as any of us if you choose.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-15 23:24:43
Are you unaware of what a large group is, or?
Is that supposed to be a joke? How many people were at Charlottesville? Thousands? It was a huge rally, highly organized with its own pathetic poster that our dearly departed idiot nausi tried to claim wasn't full of nazi symbolism. That was funny.
By Prong 2020-08-15 23:25:10
Are you unaware of what a large group is, or?
He's the typical leftist. They just completely ignore the definition of words when cornered instead of just saying, "Ah, ok. I misunderstood what you said." He's so buried in it now he's just insulting, screaming, clawing and kicking like a caged animal trying to get fry of having to admit he's just wrong this time.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-15 23:25:56
This is just one example, I'm not going to find more for you, you can use YouTube and Google as well as any of us if you choose.
Uh I don't need to. It seems like YOU need to go look up the many, many examples of the alt-right extremists getting their party on.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-15 23:26:53
Like, I can't imagine the mental gymnastics required to equate the two extremes. Yeah, right-wing extremists are scumbags too, but they don't even come close to causing the level of disruption and destruction that is currently being caused by leftist extremists in these major cities.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-15 23:27:38
Are you unaware of what a large group is, or?
He's the typical leftist. They just completely ignore the definition of words when cornered instead of just saying, "Ah, ok. I misunderstood what you said." He's so buried in it now he's just insulting, screaming, clawing and kicking like a caged animal trying to get fry of having to admit he's just wrong this time.
Uh I'm not even close to being wrong, your making ***up, pretending the right doesn't have huge groups of extremists by just ignoring them and dismissing all the examples. Its not working.
By Prong 2020-08-15 23:28:17
Are you unaware of what a large group is, or?
Is that supposed to be a joke? How many people were at Charlottesville? Thousands? It was a huge rally, highly organized with its own pathetic poster that our dearly departed idiot nausi tried to claim wasn't full of nazi symbolism. That was funny.
And yet, they marched. Didn't topple statues, didn't burn down a Planned Parenthood, didn't break into businesses. The only violence occurred was when the leftist groups confronted them, fact. If they had just let them have their dumb little march, nothing would have happened and nobody would have spoken about it by the next weekend because our country can put far right white nationalists in a box and label them. They CAN and ARE demonized in the press, as they should be. But, the same isn't done to the far left nutjobs who are destroying cities and using the death of a man they didn't know or care about to get a new pair of Nikes for free.
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By Prong 2020-08-15 23:29:44
Are you unaware of what a large group is, or?
He's the typical leftist. They just completely ignore the definition of words when cornered instead of just saying, "Ah, ok. I misunderstood what you said." He's so buried in it now he's just insulting, screaming, clawing and kicking like a caged animal trying to get fry of having to admit he's just wrong this time.
Uh I'm not even close to being wrong, your making ***up, pretending the right doesn't have huge groups of extremists by just ignoring them and dismissing all the examples. Its not working.
They have groups, I'd argue the term HUGE, but yeah they have them, but again, show me the videos of them blocking highways. Taking over city blocks. Show me. Maybe I missed it.
So... Austin City Council decided to cut funding to the police dept by 1/3 to re appropriate money for a new family violence shelter, homeless housing, expand substance use care, establish gun violence intervention programs, hire mental health first responders,
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/austin-police-budget-cuts-austin-city-council-defund/269-9041efe4-5055-4eb0-aa21-dada5b8f4aec
units that saw budget cuts:
911 Call Center - $17.7 million
Forensic Sciences - $12.7 million
Support Services - $14.1 million
Community Partnerships - $2.5 million
Victims Services - $3.1 million
Internal Affairs - $4.5 million
Special Investigations - $1.8 million
Special Events - $4.4 million
Mounted Patrol - $2.1 million
Traffic Enforcement - $18.4 million
Austin Regional Intelligence Center - $2 million
Park Police - $5.8 million
Lake Patrol - $1.4 million
Organized Crime/K-9 - $1.2 million
Nuisance Abatement - $312,000
Canceling 3 Cadet Classes - $2.2 million this year
Officer Overtime - $2.8 million
License Plate Readers - $133,000
wonder if crime will rise or fall~ what do the budget cuts look like in other cities?
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