June 2020 Version Update

A freshly ambu geared 99WHM can contend in any content.. period

you can fully gear a WHM for alot less than 2m a week.

Ask anyone that has made whm mules for VD ambu spam to rotate in. They aren't investing ANYTHING outside of rare/ex ambu gear and clearing endgame content just fine.

I can do content naked if I want, provided the other 5 people are well geared.

Now put 6 new people into endgame on 2 mil a week the way the economy is right now.

Sure.. It's all situational.

We used to shout for hours to make the perfect job setup around your own restrictions. Again... the problem is people are butt hurt that this SINGULAR event is being nerfed.

Go farm things, outside sparks. materials. Supply crafters. Whatever you want to do.

If your plan is to sparks farm 3 times a week so that you can maintain the highest level of non FFXI related social interaction. Than you need to accept that you either wont have the nicest things... or you need to re-arrange your priorities to play more.

Because every new player can't wait to start playing FFXI as a WHM.


So, not a new player.

Our definitions of new players are on 2 sides of the spectrum. Not every new player will have connections to let them leech being half-naked. A new player, even if it's a WHM, isn't going to be doing VD ambus.

Starting as a whm, being any argument at all is automatic fail. just sayin.

Eh it's all good, just start as the shittiest job (to play) in the game. You'll learn to like it.

yea the NQ vs HQ thing is on players but se putting stats on hq stuff didn't help it. I agree to a point yes crafters have loss at times but when items come out and you start them off at a bid of 300-500mil knowing *** well it didn't cost that to make is bs. Then when an item starts being put on ah by other players you drop the price to make them leave. This isn't to you Cele just an example btw. Was just more making a point crafters aren't nuns like the guy said they were.

So you're angry that veteran endgamers can clear VD ambu in 4 minutes.. and it might take a group of new players the full 30?

im confused with your argument.

Mind you.. we are discussing a SINGULAR farminng exercise. If you are comfortable with only sparking and making 2m a week. You should have a relative mentality. You shouldnt be kicking/stomping that you dont have su5/jse+2 or a kraken club.

relativity.

You can farm 2m a week (an hour or two) and get your +2 in due time.

You can farm 20m a week (farm everynight for an hour or two) and get your +2 10 times faster.

Stop trying to get the latter in the time window of the former.

This right here is spot on. You got all these brain dead DDs who don't have DT or hybrid sets and die and say oh this whm sucks. Same with tanks they think because they play rune that its time to be a DD over being a damn tank getting caught on in WS sets and what not. Whm is a shitty job for new players to learn tbh

I had a guy who was a sack in a LS I left erase me on WHM when I was petrified. I am all for newer players having to start with WHM.

Play a job that is needed.. not something you want. I played support for many years to fund the jobs im interested in.

You went from "a new player can get to endgame on 2m a week" to "a new player can get to endgame on 2m a week with connections" to "A new player can get to endgame on 2m a week with connections provided theyre on a shitty job that doesnt need expensive gear".

If you move the goalposts any further, they'll be on Mars.

I hope you were talking about others because really end of the play what you wanna play. I made idris so I can be brain dead and make people work for me lol

The goalposts have stayed put.

You're trying to justify a singular event in which you capitalized to get to endgame.

Telling a new player that because they can't sparks farm for unlimited gil any longer will cripple their chances is..... extreme.

Again, stop trying to hit the easy button. Farm more than sparks... there are many many events that you can do with sparks gear that will make you millions a day.

You sir, just dont want to sit infront of the computer legitimately farming. Because you're used to watching too many people earn it easy.

Put down the margarita by the pool and actually spend your time farming things.

"If you can't get to endgame on 2m/week then something wrong"

"You have to farm more than sparks"

Spot on advice.

*** this idea lol I don't wanna farm stuff in front of my computer and I'm not putting down my drink! Good day sir

Ah yes, the squad of new players in their rawhide and otomi and psycloth wielding Nibiru is gonna farm Ou and Dynamis D.

If you're in agreement cool.

If you're joking because i'm not giving you a step by step then you're nuts. go read BG or the forums and figure it out.

Anytime i'm asked something easily found on the BG, i reference the BG.

I'm not here to do the work for you.

STOP trying to get 6 new players to do the hardest ***.. as 6 new players.

why do you think ambu scales? why do you think things less than OU/dynamisD is any less valuable?

I explained to you easy gil methods. Apparently they are just beneath you.

Apparently a fresh baseball player right out of college should be starting in the major leagues? no, minor league/farm league. etc...

how does this not resonate with you?

You *** got your sparks ban. Thank you for making life more difficult. I'm glad I haven't resubbed yet.

I personally need zero advice on making gil, I'm good. I used accolades for keys and my sparks are 90% of the time maxed.


Stop telling a new player to play *** thrift shop WHM.

This is a game. Endgame content shouldnt be easy.

If you think that a casual new player racing for endgame HQ all then you're wrong.

And im glad you haven't resubbed. You've found things in your life that are more important to ffxi. Atleast you didn't resub... to play 30 minutes a week.. and complain that you dont have gil

There's two theories on the step-up gear-

1. Do the content as you are able, gearing up at each stage like the players before you did when those various steps were the newest thing. Do delve and skirmish to get gear for vagary to get gear for HTBF to get gear for escha to get gear for omen to get gear for dyna-D. You shouldn't be able to do dyna-D in skirmish gear! It wasn't built that way at first, why would it be different now?

2. The above method wastes gil and time. The gil and time one spends on skirmish stones is better spent on eschalixirs for escha ru'ann sets and reisen stones. So in the long run, you will spend less time and gil to become relevant to the current endgame community by getting things merc'ed for you.

My issue is- this is a game. Enjoy the aspects of that game which can feel fresh and challenging to you if you progress as the game intends. If you buy gil and then get merc'ed up to current endgame levels, you lose experience in learning how to play that job, and the game feels empty to you due to lack of content...because you just made 80% of that content obsolete by skipping it.

deflection from the definitive point being made.

You are making a point that people can't make money other than sparks. what did all people (players/rmt/whatever) do before sparks?

People were billionaires before sparks. You just want to get mad that the easiest was nerfed. So sorry.

well, they botted blinkers i guess?

Yeah, method 2 churns out a disproportionate number of horrible/useless players.

Those who ignore the progression ladder end up skipping a lot of essential learning. Game mechanics, monster mechanics, job mechanics and math are everything in this game.

What lmao? I never once said that, but alright. I only pointed out that 2m/week was low as hell. My original post only quoted that, just the 2m. Now I don't even know what you guys are trying to argue, there's like 4 different situations that's being presented.

1: New player farming 2m/week
2: New player farming 2m/week from sparks and other farming
3: New player with connections
4: New player starting with WHM

/shrug IDFK

well this is great to be honest. I had the same thoughts in much more vague words. Farm the content that SE intended to be farmed. well said.

oh without question. I think that's a large reason that the two caste system of mercs and buyers exists on larger servers. The merc class are either those old heads who DID learn to play their jobs and general game mechanics, and the buyers who think the only reason THEY aren't part of that merc class is gear, so they buy whatever they need to any way they can in hopes of moving up.

In reality, the moment those of the buyer class buy something, they've blackballed themselves, and are now stuck as part of that lower class.

When I came back to the game a few years ago I never once farmed Sparks for money and still got to endgame just fine with some help from a friend (and there are plenty of noob-friendly LSs out there). Not saying anybody should replicate this, but I farmed my 30k Alexandrite and 10k Beitetsu for Kenkonken solely by spamming Salvage II and HTBFs as a PUP (which is probably one of the most excruciatingly slow ways to do it) and I got it done in a timely manner.

Only farming 5m-20m for some endgame gear like Adhemar or Moonbeam would have been trivial in comparison. Especially with the new methods of geearing up these days as a new player like Domain Invasion or Deeds of Heroism.

2M/week is completely sufficient when the majority of gear you need is Rare/Ex anyway. Sticking to Sparks/Accos are you sole source of income is a limit you guys are setting for yourself by choice. And even then it's still enough to get started.