Let's Start A Riot?!?!

You could argue they are less willing to use any force as many have already across the country have already stated as they threaten to quit

i wonder how many cases of police brutality were reported when the victim/person being arrested was on drugs that made them harder to subdue

No, it's more of an issue where statisticians tend to be more hardwired into thinking about the myriad of confounding variables that could be screwing with any particular data set. Beyond that, my mind doesn't automatically latch on to whatever key words came up in any conversations you had with my "buddies". I think they're wrong sometimes and the feeling is mutual, I'm sure. No big deal.

As for other factors that could be influencing the issue, there are a bunch that we could list that could tip the scales towards a propensity for higher crime rates. Economic status, cultural influences, religion, political ideologies, racial profiling by police, and a host of other things. Is it possible that genetic factors can play into this too? Absolutely. There are plenty of studies where they're trying to track down markers for aggressive behavior, for example.

It's worth noting that any of those factors that I listed could be playing against the higher crime rate. For example, if you could create an experiment where you isolate just the genetic factors you might find that races that tend to commit more crimes are inherently less likely to commit said crimes, but other factors tip the scales to the other side. I'm sure some would argue that poverty is the biggest weight on that scale. Others, racial profiling. Others, music? Who knows? While there are studies out there drawing correlations, they can't prove causation. The end result is that it's all mostly speculation and it probably always will be.

Okay, I have to share a crazy story from my past.

About 12 years ago I was on my way to visiting a friend when I saw a scrawny dude diving into trashcans along the road. He then ran into someone's yard out of view. Flash forward several minutes later, I was at my friend's house talking to them in the doorway, and they guy literally hopped over the fence and ran inside the home. After about a minute of people panicking trying to figure out what to do with this guy who is clearly VERY high on drugs, a lady cop walks right by the house, obviously having been alerted previously by the neighbors that something was going on in the neighborhood. High Guy immediately runs back out of the house right to where the policewoman was standing, and a struggle ensues.

Long story short, about a dozen police, two tazings, and a hog-tie later, the guy is finally subdued. Certainly a lack of pain contributed, but who knows what else made the wiry dude so hard to take down. Drugs are bad, mmkay.

I see where you're going with this, but I think it's pretty clear in my quote. By acknowledging that it would still be a logical fallacy to draw a conclusion even when narrowing down the sample population, I'm absolutely acknowledging the complexity of the argument. It may still be apples and oranges, but at least it's no longer celery and oranges.

I didn’t bring racial demographics into the conversation. I simply narrowed the goal posts. Bringing poverty into the argument would have changed the goal posts that were already established. You’re reading way too much into this.

No, you’re crossing a line now. We were having a meaningful discussion. If your purpose here is to weasel your way into calling me an alt-right racist, then screw you. I’m done.

An idiot could easily OD someone and kill them. Like so.

I was implying race. Racial demographics were the topic of discussion before I commented. This isn’t hard. I’m sorry that I didn’t post what you think I should have posted, but that doesn’t give you carte blanche to insult me with accusations of racism. That’s not how discussions work.

Isn't that how many posters here make the argument now?

If they don't like the answer you give them, they make one up for you.

For example.

They want you to say something you don't agree with, just so it makes their argument easier. So, they project their image onto you.

It happens all the time.

That's oddly interesting, the same thing has developed in the US the past 12 years as well. And the irony of that is, Hollywood is overwhelmingly Jewish, from actors to producers and directors AND overwhelmingly liberal. But there has without a doubt been an annual increase in antisemitism from our left and our left media outlets.

yea, depending on the drug they can. theres all kinds of stories of dudes flying sky high taking multiple tazers to down, or easily ragdolling multiple officers - specially on ***like PCP or other stimulants. i think there was a case i heard like ten years ago of a dude on crocodil that took seven officers to subdue because he was basically ragdolling them. i think there was a recent case of some dude on flakka that took eleven people and multiple tranquilizers to subdue him?

like some of these upper drugs are no *** joke man.

i mean, in floyds case in particular, he'd have died INSTANTLY from a tranquilizer. the dude was sky high on fentanyl which is a massive depressant and would have very likely instantly stopped his heart if the toxicology reports on how much fentanyl was in his system are to be believed.

i believe the report came back that he was already in OD territory, and its one of the major keypoints on why the cops will probably get off on this since the autopsy showed no evidence of asphyxiation or damage to his neck.

Which makes me wonder just how common that is. I’ve seen videos of tough guys getting dropped in an instant by tasers, so watching an emaciated drug addict shrug off two hits is really something.

with PCP? its incredibly common as far as i know; they go into a completely delerious state where they feel little to no pain, and their muscle limiters basically stop working and they literally hulk out;

I think the most relevant case i can remember is like back in 2012 iirc; there was a dude who got blasted out of his mind on PCP, and then went running around with a gun. i think he got stopped by the cops, then fought them off, stole a cop car and a gun, then went home and held his mother at gunpoint, then got shot something insane like twelve times, and tazed two to four times, beaten by like five different cops with batons and still wouldnt go down. As insane as it sounds i think this dude actually survived all of that too if im not losin my ***.

Found it

https://wjla.com/news/local/college-park-shooting-near-umd-campus-leaves-one-hurt-77621

got a few facts wrong, but the general 'smoked pcp, survived twelve gunshot wounds, multiple tazings, got naked, stole a cop car, held mother at gunpoint' all happened.