Let's Start A Riot?!?!

The numbers are already going up rapidly from states reopening. If you’re not seeing the information you’re not trying.

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Really? Because I don't see the charging of the other officers as a scare tactic to get them to flip. I don't believe their testimony is needed, I think all four are going down for murder 2.

Man, you are really over optimistic.

It SHOULD be open and shut. Clear, can't be more obvious. That doesn't matter in court. Court is literally theater, you *** up ANYTHING, no matter how small, it's a wrap.

no, I mean way higher than that ~ and I guess i'm not trying hard enough to find any "news" article from the medical community but I guess we'll have to wait another week or so to find out if cases will immediately sky rocket further than before b/c of the protests

Yeah Murder 3 and negligent homicide / murder is a slam dunk. There is zero arguement that the officer didn't wrongfully cause Mr. Floyds death through the use of excessive force.

The only thing that's gonna be debated is intent. Can the Prosecution prove to a jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the officer intended Mr. Floyd's death.

Murder 1 = you planned the persons death

Murder 2 = you didn't plan but were so enraged (heat of passion is the term used) that you intentionally killed soneone.

Murder 3 (not all states have) = you didn't plan or intend to kill someone but knew your negligence would cause their death. Think the legal term is "depraved heart".

Ohh boy there are plenty of attorneys who would love this case. Imagine if your the guy who "got Floyd's killer off", instantly a huge line forms to bid on your services. Winning this case would be instant wealth and fame. Rich people would pay you anything to help them out.

Show me a riot burning a mansion. The wealthy are unaffected by this and employ security anyway.

It's like people forgot how the Kardashians got famous in the first place

Conspiracy thought but check the tape:

What about those EMTs wearing bulletproof vests and what looks more like a brown sheriffs uniform than that of EMT; that came and put George Floyd on the gurney.

In my defense, I never cared about the flakes.

they're in on it too. riot against EMTs. riot against all law enforcement

That wasn’t the direction I was going with that... but OK!

Yes if you step outside your home the COVID zombies rush and infect you, especially at a christian church. Except if your rioting and looting redistributing unfairly earned wealth, then your perfectly safe from the COVID.

I'm very, very skeptical the other 3 will be convicted for murder. I think Ellison just chose that charge to SEEM like he was listening to the screams, but that's a risky charge on them since technically, they did nothing more than allow someone to put another's life in jeopardy (being there is no way to prove in this case Chauvin INTENDED to kill Mr. Floyd).

I think something like criminal neglect/gross indifference to human life would have been a much more sensible charge (for the other 3, not Chauvin) and would have closer to a 100% chance of sticking, but the masses want blood and they won't be satisfied unless they all get Murder 1 convictions with the Death Sentence anyhow.

You know I read this and my 1st thoughts were along the lines of after the shitstorm that was hurricane Katrina, I'm sure most of the people there weren't up to destroying what took many years of rebuilding.

If there isn't a huge spike and zombie outbreak of COVID due to these riots, then I will be completely justified in what I was saying in the other thread that it was overblown. I still find it funny how they aren't shaming people for not social distancing anymore lol!

I *think* (correct me if I am wrong, I got this second hand) they reported something like, 19,000 new cases in just the past two days?

I'm just waiting for them to blame Trump for the spike in Covid cases among the minority population.

I think its a great example of how the protests of this event should be. Its a shame that innocent people that were beaten or killed were caused by looters who sought an opportunity during a protest about police brutality. It takes away from the message that's trying to be conveyed.

Too low. We have been adding over 20k a day for the last 3 months.

Only takes away from it if you're willfully ignoring the cops beating the ***out of people who aren't participating in the rioting and looting.

You know, the vast majority of the people present.

No, it fluctuates between 16k to 22k.

This has been steady since May 1st.

There is exactly zero chance for



to stick.

If they were normal people there be a snowballs chance but they were lawfully appointed representatives of the government performing their duties. There is no evidence to date of any of the other three actually doing anything. In fact they are being charged with a negative crime, because they didn't stop the Chauvin. That's sufficient to fire them but not enough to convince a jury to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. And don't think for a minute there is gonna be some sort of special exception to the US Constitution made, Voir dire will ensure there is at least one if not more seated jurors who won't convict.

The absolute most they could pull off is gross negligence if they can prove each of the other police officers knew Chauvin was going to kill Mr. Floyd. We thought intent was hard to prove, try proving prior knowledge, especially against a Police Officer who is smart enough to listen to good lawyers. Otherwise all that's going to happen is the other three will be found not-guilty or have a mistrial because they are going to use the "I was following procedure in assisting apprehension of a suspect to a reported crime". And those three were following procedure, everything they did was inline with normal Police operations. It was Chauvin's use of excessive force that killed Mr Floyd.

Guys I know those of the extreme side of the political spectrum seem to lose touch with reality but there is this thing called the US Constitution and it spells out how situations like this are handled. 5th and 14th Amendments are quite clear on due process, eighth is quite clear about "cruel and unusual punishments". People don't get to bypass the law just to makes themselves feel better. Guilt by association isn't gonna work in an actual court room with actual lawyers and a defendant who refused to allow themselves to be interrogated interviewed.

This is why I believe this is a tactic to sate the blood lust of the mob while also giving the other officers a really good reason to provide testimony against Chauvin. Remember earlier I said it's almost impossible to prove intent without self incrimination? Well this is one of the ways around that, if you can't get someone to incriminate themselves before their lawyer shows up, get others who where with them to incriminate them instead. It's not as good as self incrimination (really hard for a defense to argue against itself) but if you get enough of it then it could swing a jurors decision.

If this case was like any other, you would be correct.

Since this is a special case due to the overwhelmingly media coverage and the protests associated with it, the jury will be emotional in these trials, and normal convictions will be thrown out the door.

I expect a *edit* quasi-kangaroo court on all 4 cases.

Random people kicking the crap out of innocent people, just because they feel they can get away with it WILL take away from the public empathy of the message, and that doesn't make the people bad people for this happening.

This is a societal issue, where there are sharp divides between ideologies currently at work. If you want the MAXIMUM effect out of your protests, you need to do something about the small amount of opportunists doing their best to muck it up with their selfishness. Even many of the protesters understand this as there are a myriad of videos of actual protesters physically stopping some of the mayhem-causers.

If it even goes to trial, if I'm the defendants, I don't want the jury watching that 8+ minute video.

I HOPE you are right but...after the cop who shot that kid in the hallway of his apt WHILE begging them to not shoot him got off, I still reserve my doubts.

cops beat the ***out of everyone every day and no one cares if its white on white, white on asian, white on hispanic, black on white, black on asian, black on hispanic ~ but the moment its white on black everyone flips their ***.

~ we have like 3 different races beating up on this white guy (bet he's a scumbag with a record or w.e) and we as a whole (media included) wouldn't even report on this



and why does it have to be this event in particular ~ only because the media blasted it all over TV and the Internet? ~ police brutality happens every day ~ If society believes this is absolutely wrong then why aren't there protests every day? Its only an issue if the media says so

Yeah just watch some old episodes of COPs. It is literally cops just kicking the ***out of white dudes for an hour. And we watch it and laugh.

Nah man doesn't work that way. Juries aren't random, the defense and prosecution go through a huge number of candidates asking very provocative questions. Both sides then take turns striking people off the list. If they need more then more are pulled, if an untainted pool is impossible then the trial is moved elsewhere. The US Constitution mandates this, it's nonnegotiable if you happen to be inside the USA. Attempting to side step this is a guaranteed way ti get a conviction thrown out on appeal.

You absolutely do not want a kangaroo court by mob rule. There is a reason the founding fathers wrote the Constitution the way they did. It was designed precisely to protect against abuse in situations like this. Due process, fair trial by an impartial jury of their peers, no unreasonable punishments.

That means any defense lawyer worth their cost will get at least jury member if not more who aren't antifa supporters. The defense will then show the officer as just following procedures (the other three). The most the Prosecution can say is "officer X saw Chauvin kneeling on Mr Floyd's neck and did nothing". To which the defense lawyer responds "that is not the crime being charged." Remember this is the USA not Russia or Somalia, the state is required to prove all components of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of six to twelve. ALL members of that jury must vote to convict on the charges presented. If only one member votes acquittal you have a mistrial or even a flat acquittal when the rest get tired of the holdout.

Again there is a reason over 99% of cases involve a plea deal. Getting the defendant to plea guilty to a smaller crime with reduced sentence is infinitely easier then gambling on a trial thats heavily in favor of the defense.