Let's Start A Riot?!?!

At the end of the day all I care about is that you don't look at these outliers to judge the legitimacy of the overall anti-cop movement. Hurting innocent people is terrible and hard to forgive, but you shouldn't let those cases affect how you view the scourge of police brutality.

(This is a thing I've been seeing a lot lately, which is why I'm drilling this part home)

That is directx trolling, don't pay him any mind.

Dabackpack is a priveledged white guy, living in the saftey of his home and bored. He has no leg in the fight yet hes encouraging people to loot and riot because that means they are on the side of righteousness, anyone that has a problem with looting is on the side of the oppressors. Here let me quote him again.

I didn't watch the video, that's all

do you know what "organization" means?

i'm not trolling - you were surprised he wasn't more shocked about the brutality, i was just offering a suggestion as to why. the george floyd video as brutal as it was, wasn't SHOCKING to me or a lot of others i know. it honestly felt more like 'damn.. not again'

i'm honestly still confused why you think i'm directx, idk who the dude is. feel free to message me in game or something lol

Here is my viewpoint:

Some cops are bad people as there are bad people in every line of work, but these bad people have guns and are allowed to use them, so it makes them more dangerous.

People in America have every right to be fed up with this happening, even though statistically based on the yearly number of actual cop/non-cop interactions, it is an infinitesimal number of occurrences, but one is still too many. Every life matters, unless you are a murderer, rapist, molest kids, abuse animals or the elderly. Those people should get two taps to the back of the head, as should Chauvin.

If protesters want people who may be on the fence or not quite on their side to really stop and feel their pain and commit to joining with them, they need to not burn small businesses, loot Target or beat people to death. Once even a few do this, it will make people angry and basically say, "F you, F whatever you are mad about." And, I don't blame them.

That being said, I hope Chauvin gets convicted on whatever they can get him on, I hope the other 3 at bare minimum are convicted on gross negligence with indifference to life, resulting in death (because they won't be able to prove any form of homicide on the other 3 unless they ignore the laws to make examples, unfortunately).

Last but not least, I wish they'd make a Season 2 of The Ancient Magus' Bride. I *think* that about covers it.

You're really trying my patience and if I didn't know better I'd say you're intentionally being confrontational because of a gut reaction. All this time you kept saying "LOOK AT HIS FIRST POST!!" as if you deliberately are ignoring every clarification I've made since that time.

Nothing in that *** post advocates for violence. I don't WANT people to hurt each other, I don't even like looking at videos of violence.

If I'm being real, I entered the thread super pissed off at people in general sitting on their ivory towers spewing pleasantries like "violence is never the answer!!" and "violence only begets violence!!" and quoting *** MLK to make shallow points.

YOU are privileged if you have never been in a situation where you felt your only recourse was violence.

I'm going to be hypocritical and post THIS MLK quote:


This pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter. Who the *** are you to dictate how oppressed black people should act when a cop murders a black man? Who gave you the RIGHT to be some moral *** arbiter here? Don't be a snooty *** and look down on these people that are hurting. Don't criticize the cornered mouse for lashing out against the predatory snake.

Do you know what "organization" means?

i've got a feeling you're a white dude yourself, on a coastal city, possibly has your own small business, and are lucky enough to not be bothered by literally anything that's been said outside of protecting your potential business interest - or being able to sympathize strictly with those in your position. every movement needs allies to help, how are you condemning someone who isn't black for fighting along side those that are - that's asinine lol

I wasn't really surprised he wasn't "shocked" at the brutality, I was surprised he had nothing to say about it instead choosing to be more concerned if those kinds of videos influenced my thoughts on the protester's in general.

And yeah you're not DirectX, he normally capitalizes the first word in each sentence and is much more of an a~hole normally, right off the bat.

He is advocating for violence and not even partaking in said violence. I am not doing that. He is putting peoples lives at further risk by telling people NOT to condemn the violence via looting/rioting. He has no loss yet is encouraging others to lose. What he said when he came in here was so insane, I want to keep posting it.

Take a break from posting--- get some sleep, clear your head, then come back with a clear mind

i agree with everything you've said (even s2 and ancient magus' bride - <3 the art in that show), my only question is - when being peaceful for decades doesn't work, at what point is it ok (if ever) to no longer be peaceful? if Chauvin isn't convicted, and the other 3 don't face repercussions, i don't see things being any kinder than what's going on right now. i in no way want that to happen, but there's got to be some give somewhere - people are fed up

Sure, you do the same maybe? Stop suggesting people riot and loot or applaud those actions. Maybe you should retract what you said if you really didn't mean that because even if you came in the thread with anger, you've been defensive against literally everyone.

I mean what I said, I think we're just talking past each other at this point.

I don't know how to tell you that the support of human life and civil rights outweighs my sympathy towards property damage. If civil rights can be "solved" by property damage I wouldn't even think twice. If "world hunger" could be solved by property damage I'm damn sure you'd think the same.

I already told you it isn't simply property damage, there is so much more involved but you keep ignoring all of it. Let's not forget the fact that the majority of these looter/rioters are not about the cause, they are out for themselves or an agenda.

Chauvin will get convicted for something. I have zero doubts. The others will IF IF IF, they don't go for murder charges. They'd have to prove that they somehow conspired with Chauvin prior to or during the event to allow him to kill Mr. Floyd. Which, any mid level attorney could argue away easily.

The other bad thing is, Minnesota just decided to put their DA Keith Ellison as the prosecuting attorney for the state. Yeah, the guy who at the start of the #metoo movement was called out for audio/text messages, apologizing to his white ex-girlfriend for beating her up, more than once. The lady's son made these available. BUT! He has a D next to his name and it's Minnesota so....he didn't even loose his job. They need to get a clean prosecutor in there, the Floyd family deserves at least that.

As far as violence to answer injustices, never works out in the end. Think, Hatfield and McCoys. Now that by no means says if you are being brutalized by a cop you should not fight back, but the current version of "fed up" by the protesters unfortunately is destroying property and businesses and killing people who had NOTHING to do with the issue at hand. It's like Muslim extremists blowing up cafes. If they only attacked US military targets, being the US military is what they are supposedly mad at, I think a TON more people would empathize with them. Not when you are indiscriminately causing death and chaos...worst way to get support from the masses, all time.

It doesn't have to be so freaking binary. You can fully support civil rights and be absolutely disgusted by the actions of looters/rioters at the same time. Civil rights are not being "solved" by property damage (in fact they may even be set back by it), but the rights of the victims of looters/rioters are absolutely being infringed.

I mentioned this earlier, but this is also historically false.

Civil Rights movement. Look at all the riots that took place during this time, and see what results each of those riots achieved.
Stonewall riots. Gays had been fighting peacefully for YEARS for certain legal rights. The Stonewall riots are THE FIRST TIME the government paid attention to them. These riots are actually what kicked off the modern LGBT movement.

It's naive to make assumptions with blanket statements like "violence never works out in the end."

Like I said, most people don't LIKE using violence to get what they need... it's always a last resort.

But instead of condemning the rioters, ask yourself "why do these people feel the need to riot?" The answer is because nobody listens to them when they protest peacefully.

If we want to stop violent protests, we need to actually LISTEN to what they say when they're not violent.

No, it expresses neither desire nor intent. You don't understand the definition of either word.

It's a vast oversimplification sure. But right now, the only path forward for the oppressed blacks is rioting. They have tried every other peaceful route, they were all dead ends.

This isn't binary. I'm not treating this like a binary choice. It's just that I happen to side with the protesters on both counts in this case.

Who is WE? Why are you implying that the posters here have not listened? WE do not have any power to change anything unless we have some Mayors, Govs, Police chiefs, DAs, etc that are FFXI players. That is one of the issues, they are targeting people who have no power or way to change this (small business owners especially) and its wrong. Why don't they loot and riot at their elected officials homes? Wouldn't that push for a change faster than stealing from stores? All the looters/rioters are doing is causing chaos, and they aren't even for the cause.

How long are you gonna keep licking Trump's boots by giving him the benefit of the doubt every *** time he says something patently stupid or undemocratic?

You have to do a bunch of mental gymnastics to arrive at a world where you don't interpret that tweet as a direct threat.

Do you not read that tweet as a direct threat?

"The only path forward" is rioting?

What an idiotic statement, especially when the end result is potentially a path backward.

because they set up a barricade of cops around Chauvin's house while they let the precinct burn. also, either the looting is related and they need to target people better - or they aren't related at all and we can stop conflating the violence with the protest. you can't have it both ways

Draylo's 100% right. directx is just a privileged white kid in his mom's basement, now he's getting outwardly upset because people aren't taking him seriously after he opened by advocating for violence and then spent the entire night proving himself wrong in a multitude of ways.

"We" here means American society at large, sorry. Particularly government officials.

The folks at Minneapolis raided the police station. There are groups that have attempted attacking public officials' work spaces and residences. But as you see with Trump, you have a much higher chance of getting shot or gassed if you endanger a public official compared to if you target a corporate building.

At any rate, there are WAY more business buildings than government buildings, so naturally the closest targets are gonna be business buildings. (The objective with the arson and looting is to catch peoples' attention, after all)

You seem like you have all the answers. What's your alternative?