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By Viciouss 2020-06-15 20:39:59
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »No, he gets in trouble for not having the situation under control in the first place, though. Two on one, the guy is drunk, and he still gets the better of you? Shameful. Was he just drunk or could he have possibly been on something else? Some drunks are freakishly strong, like they are suppressed to pain even.
Thought to be honest, in hindsight I am more leaning towards they "should not have shot him" but they should NOT have just let him run away and get tired like others have mentioned.
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They could have just continued to pursue him, he wasn't going anywhere, they had his car. Just keep chasing him, you know the only weapon he had was a non lethal taser, just chase him down. There was no reason to shoot him.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 20:40:33
also, its irrefutable that multiple supreme court cases have held that i am correct; the suspect presented a clear and present threat to the officers life the moment he fired that taser. again, hitting you in the back, while your pointing a firearm backwards at a cop, is different from just shooting someone who is running away not shooting at you. its why the cop didnt shoot at him, and never drew his weapon, until the idiot in question shot at him.
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By Draylo 2020-06-15 20:41:05
Then when he kills someone else or causes further mayhem, its the cops fault. He should have not ran, why is that hard? He was 100% in the wrong.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 20:41:30
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »No, he gets in trouble for not having the situation under control in the first place, though. Two on one, the guy is drunk, and he still gets the better of you? Shameful. Was he just drunk or could he have possibly been on something else? Some drunks are freakishly strong, like they are suppressed to pain even.
Thought to be honest, in hindsight I am more leaning towards they "should not have shot him" but they should NOT have just let him run away and get tired like others have mentioned.
See my Idea on Tazor Net. :3
They could have just continued to pursue him, he wasn't going anywhere, they had his car. Just keep chasing him, you know the only weapon he had was a non lethal taser, just chase him down. There was no reason to shoot him.
correction: Tasers are considered less lethal, not non lethal legally speaking. they still are classified as lethal force - particularly when justifying an officer shooting.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-06-15 20:41:43
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »No, he gets in trouble for not having the situation under control in the first place, though. Two on one, the guy is drunk, and he still gets the better of you? Shameful. Was he just drunk or could he have possibly been on something else? Some drunks are freakishly strong, like they are suppressed to pain even.
Thought to be honest, in hindsight I am more leaning towards they "should not have shot him" but they should NOT have just let him run away and get tired like others have mentioned.
See my Idea on Tazor Net. :3
They could have just continued to pursue him, he wasn't going anywhere, they had his car. Just keep chasing him, you know the only weapon he had was a non lethal taser, just chase him down. There was no reason to shoot him. That is not what you said earlier, about letting him run.
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By Terlet Sangria 2020-06-15 20:43:32
as for never being a cop again, you are incorrect; if he is found innocent, and did not violate department policy, he can become a cop again. he can specifically sue them for wrongful termination as it is a contractual job.
Mayhap you are unfamiliar with the demographics and culture of Atlanta.
And like I said, he might win and get damages+pension, but it'll be part of a settlement where he never serves another day in uniform. At this point it doesn't matter whether he was right or wrong; he can NOT go back to active duty, because it would be a PR catastrophe. This already ended Erika Shields' career; you think he's gonna get his gun and badge back?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-15 20:46:57
Wow lots of caps lock and bolded words again. And photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back...
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 20:48:40
had he not fired the taser at the officer? id be right there agreeing that shooting was not ok. but when the officer shoots him in less than a fraction of a second after firing a taser at the officer. its not like the guy fired, then kept running away- he kept pointing the taser at the cop, a taser with one more round to fire, up until the moment he was shot. This took half a second or so to occur.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 20:50:16
as for never being a cop again, you are incorrect; if he is found innocent, and did not violate department policy, he can become a cop again. he can specifically sue them for wrongful termination as it is a contractual job.
Mayhap you are unfamiliar with the demographics and culture of Atlanta.
And like I said, he might win and get damages+pension, but it'll be part of a settlement where he never serves another day in uniform. At this point it doesn't matter whether he was right or wrong; he can NOT go back to active duty, because it would be a PR catastrophe. This already ended Erika Shields' career; you think he's gonna get his gun and badge back?
your arguing that he Shoudnt, as if he cant. that is not the same as he cant. Im saying he can. he can legally force them into re-hiring him. by your own admission he can do just that.
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By Putin On'the'ritz 2020-06-15 20:51:49
as for never being a cop again, you are incorrect; if he is found innocent, and did not violate department policy, he can become a cop again. he can specifically sue them for wrongful termination as it is a contractual job.
Mayhap you are unfamiliar with the demographics and culture of Atlanta.
And like I said, he might win and get damages+pension, but it'll be part of a settlement where he never serves another day in uniform. At this point it doesn't matter whether he was right or wrong; he can NOT go back to active duty, because it would be a PR catastrophe. This already ended Erika Shields' career; you think he's gonna get his gun and badge back?
your arguing that he Shoudnt, as if he cant. that is not the same as he cant. Im saying he can. he can legally force them into re-hiring him. by your own admission he can do just that.
Again, he CAN, but I think it will be made pretty clear that it's in everyone's best interests - including his - if he goes away.
We're arguing different things here.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-15 20:55:49
If he killed someone while drunk driving, that is a grave crime indeed. He was a huge risk to leave him run off*. Drunk and extremely aggressive as proved by his actions. He shouldn't have resisted arrest and assaulted two officers. Then he would probably be alive. If if if...
If my grandmother had wheels would she be a trolley car?
Should all drunk drivers be shot on sight?
*Oh... he wasn't driving! Should all drunk runners be shot on sight?
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 20:56:05
Putin On'the'ritz said: »as for never being a cop again, you are incorrect; if he is found innocent, and did not violate department policy, he can become a cop again. he can specifically sue them for wrongful termination as it is a contractual job.
Mayhap you are unfamiliar with the demographics and culture of Atlanta.
And like I said, he might win and get damages+pension, but it'll be part of a settlement where he never serves another day in uniform. At this point it doesn't matter whether he was right or wrong; he can NOT go back to active duty, because it would be a PR catastrophe. This already ended Erika Shields' career; you think he's gonna get his gun and badge back?
your arguing that he Shoudnt, as if he cant. that is not the same as he cant. Im saying he can. he can legally force them into re-hiring him. by your own admission he can do just that.
Again, he CAN, but I think it will be made pretty clear that it's in everyone's best interests - including his - if he goes away.
We're arguing different things here.
kinda sort of? i agree that i think its in the best interest of preventing public outrage- but if the man has a spine, no amount of money will ever make him not pursue his own innocence. (which he probably doesn't have a spine because let's be fair, people for some reason today cant pick a hill to die on when slapped in the face with a wad of cash)
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 20:57:43
If he killed someone while drunk driving, that is a grave crime indeed. He was a huge risk to leave him run off*. Drunk and extremely aggressive as proved by his actions. He shouldn't have resisted arrest and assaulted two officers. Then he would probably be alive. If if if...
If my grandmother had wheels would she be a trolley car?
Should all drunk drivers be shot on sight?
*Oh... he wasn't driving! Should all drunk runners be shot on sight?
only the ones that brutally beat police officers and then shoot a stolen taser at them.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-15 20:59:21
If he killed someone while drunk driving, that is a grave crime indeed. He was a huge risk to leave him run off*. Drunk and extremely aggressive as proved by his actions. He shouldn't have resisted arrest and assaulted two officers. Then he would probably be alive. If if if...
If my grandmother had wheels would she be a trolley car?
Should all drunk drivers be shot on sight?
*Oh... he wasn't driving! Should all drunk runners be shot on sight?
Everyone with a pen should be shot on sight, pens are lethal weapons!
Everyone, who isn't a Police Officer, is a potential felon and criminal. Why should all these potential felons be allowed to walk around free until they inevitably commit a crime, lock em all up instead, or better yet put them in "special camps" where we can "solve the problem".
Nothing that man did was a capital crime, yet the Police Officer acted as Judge, Jury and Executioner when they decided he was guilty of maybe being guilty of a crime and sentenced him to death.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:00:15
If he killed someone while drunk driving, that is a grave crime indeed. He was a huge risk to leave him run off*. Drunk and extremely aggressive as proved by his actions. He shouldn't have resisted arrest and assaulted two officers. Then he would probably be alive. If if if...
If my grandmother had wheels would she be a trolley car?
Should all drunk drivers be shot on sight?
*Oh... he wasn't driving! Should all drunk runners be shot on sight?
Everyone with a pen should be shot on sight, pens are lethal weapons!
Everyone, who isn't a Police Officer, is a potential felon and criminal. Why should all these potential felons be allowed to walk around free until they inevitably commit a crime, lock em all up instead, or better yet put them in "special camps" where we can "solve the problem".
Nothing that man did was a capital crime, yet the Police Officer acted as Judge, Jury and Executioner when they decided he was guilty of maybe being guilty of a crime and sentenced him to death.
im sorry, did you have an argument that wasnt a strawman? did you have a valid point?
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By Viciouss 2020-06-15 21:02:03
had he not fired the taser at the officer? id be right there agreeing that shooting was not ok. but when the officer shoots him in less than a fraction of a second after firing a taser at the officer. its not like the guy fired, then kept running away- he kept pointing the taser at the cop, a taser with one more round to fire, up until the moment he was shot. This took half a second or so to occur.
Ignoring your complete lack of sense of time, if this was an accurate account of what happened, how did he get shot in the back?
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By Viciouss 2020-06-15 21:03:31
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »No, he gets in trouble for not having the situation under control in the first place, though. Two on one, the guy is drunk, and he still gets the better of you? Shameful. Was he just drunk or could he have possibly been on something else? Some drunks are freakishly strong, like they are suppressed to pain even.
Thought to be honest, in hindsight I am more leaning towards they "should not have shot him" but they should NOT have just let him run away and get tired like others have mentioned.
See my Idea on Tazor Net. :3
They could have just continued to pursue him, he wasn't going anywhere, they had his car. Just keep chasing him, you know the only weapon he had was a non lethal taser, just chase him down. There was no reason to shoot him. That is not what you said earlier, about letting him run.
"Letting him run" isn't the same as letting him get away. They were chasing him, they stopped and shot him as he was running away, instead of continuing to chase him. He was drunk, without a vehicle, he wasn't going anywhere.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:05:36
had he not fired the taser at the officer? id be right there agreeing that shooting was not ok. but when the officer shoots him in less than a fraction of a second after firing a taser at the officer. its not like the guy fired, then kept running away- he kept pointing the taser at the cop, a taser with one more round to fire, up until the moment he was shot. This took half a second or so to occur.
Ignoring your complete lack of sense of time, if this was an accurate account of what happened, how did he get shot in the back?
so when your running away from someone, and pointing a weapon backwards - guess how much of your back is facing the person your shooting at?
Almost all of it.
like literally. look at the VERY LAST picture i posted. it is a fraction of a second before he is shot. you can see that he is running while pointing backwards.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:06:05
also- its timestamped, and the timestamp aligns with my 'sense of time'.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:10:29
for reference- its timestamped as
1. 23:22:45 when he is seen on camera running
2. 23:22:48 when he fires the Taser
3. 23:22:49 when the cop fired his weapon
4. 23:22:50 when he hits the pavement after being shot.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-15 21:11:44
So he is running away while he is shot, exactly what I said. There is no danger, no reason to drop your taser, pull out your weapon and shoot the guy running away. If you feel like that taser is such a threat (it's not) give him some distance. No reason to kill him.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:12:38
So he is running away while he is shot, exactly what I said. There is no danger, no reason to drop your taser, pull out your weapon and shoot the guy running away. If you feel like that taser is such a threat (it's not) give him some distance. No reason to kill him.
OH?
So then thats not a picture of him STILL Pointing the taser at the cop the fraction of a second before he was shot?
By Viciouss 2020-06-15 21:21:50
Oh no, he is running away while pointing a non-lethal weapon behind him in the general direction of a cop! BETTER KILL HIM!
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:21:54
yeah thats what i thought. not an ounce of integrity in you; cant even admit when your wrong.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:22:26
Oh no, he is running away while pointing a non-lethal weapon behind him in the general direction of a cop! BETTER KILL HIM!
sorry to disappoint: Tasers are considered lethal. they can and do kill.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:26:32
Here you go: The ACLU even considers them to be 'less lethal' and is petitioning for them to be removed from non-lethal force situations.
https://www.aclum.org/sites/default/files/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/reports-less-lethal-force.pdf
How much more wrong do you need to be?
By Viciouss 2020-06-15 21:26:42
Oh no, he is running away while pointing a non-lethal weapon behind him in the general direction of a cop! BETTER KILL HIM!
sorry to disappoint: Tasers are considered lethal. they can and do kill.
lol, this was funny.
yeah thats what i thought. not an ounce of integrity in you; cant even admit when your wrong.
But not funnier than this. Coming from a guy that has been making stuff up and using capital letters to try to give these made up opinions more credibility, you are in no position to attack anyone's integrity.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:29:44
Oh no, he is running away while pointing a non-lethal weapon behind him in the general direction of a cop! BETTER KILL HIM!
sorry to disappoint: Tasers are considered lethal. they can and do kill.
lol, this was funny.
yeah thats what i thought. not an ounce of integrity in you; cant even admit when your wrong.
But not funnier than this. Coming from a guy that has been making stuff up and using capital letters to try to give these made up opinions more credibility, you are in no position to attack anyone's integrity.
sorry i couldnt hear you over the sound of the ACLU telling you that you were wrong about tasers.
https://www.aclum.org/sites/default/files/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/reports-less-lethal-force.pdf
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-06-15 21:32:50
> Since 2001, over 100 people have died in the U.S. after being stunned with a Taser.
This has led to increasing controversy surrounding their use. Despite the steadily increasing
number of Taser-related deaths, its manufacturer continues to maintain that Tasers are a safe and
essential less lethal weapon. Many law enforcement agencies and departments also believe in
the safety and effectiveness of Tasers and feel that the device is essential for routine police
emergencies. However, other police departments nationwide – most notably in Chicago and the
State of New Jersey – have suspended the use of Tasers or have put on hold plans to expand their
deployment, citing concerns about their safety following fatal incidents
Bu T tA sE rS aR eNt Le Th Al !
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By Draylo 2020-06-15 21:36:03
I am sure he was an upstanding citizen who will get a parade with al Sharpton and all the leaders professing how great he was to the community. Also he was drunk driving. He was in a car drunk, to the point he passed out. The car didnt drive itself to the Wendys. While he shouldnt have died, he also shouldn't have been drunk driving, resisting arrest and also firing a weapon at police. He would have probably been jailed for the rest of his life on those charges alone.
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So yea been out of the loop, has the rebellion began?
Is sublime gonna make a 2020 edition? What cities are popping off? What was the "last straw"?
Stay tuned for more excitement in 2020....
Edit: diverting the latest corona shenanigans from random thoughts.
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