Dear SE

The ones saying they are happy in their secluded low pop server, are the ones multi boxing and barely need anyone. The majority that are upset or are casual gamers, just outright quit. That influences the overall health of the game and makes it worse.

Anyways, before Jetackuu butted (and he's still proving my point) in I was going to thank people for arguing this. I do love a good impromptu for vs. against debate, so long as the children stay out of it. There's little need to devolve to high school name calling, because after all... it's just a game. I've had this debate a few times because it's a topic of interest, and nothing bad can come from discussing the possibilities.

I can accept that part of the reason why I have not achieved certain things is mostly my own doing. I'm not ashamed to say my schedule makes it tough. There is more I can try, which I'm going to do in the coming weeks. Still not going to jump server, but it's been interesting to see what people think of it. Some have normalized it, while others have become so ingrained in their server they would feel bad for leaving it.

It shows how passionate the remaining playerbase is, to want to share their opinions on this. And no .. I'm not "mad" or "triggered" or whatever the new internet buzzword is. I'm grateful for all of this, and I don't think there's any reason to debate it again. Peace!

To this affect, it blows my mind why there are so many 3-6boxes on Asura. Like the one place you dont need 5 bots to make a party, but there they are.

Yeah, grow up, kid.

There is a point to that, but do we really want filthy casuals anyway?

I do multibox but certainly not effectively and it's probably more of a hindrance than anything for me at this point. I need others for a lot of things and it's why I usually barely do ***outside of ls events, or gainxp (only doing right now due to altered schedule), I still think server mergers would be *** stupid.

I don't multibox, and my social LS constantly has 50-60 people, my endgame LS had 40+ people too. At one point we even made 2 alliances for a dyna D event.

You don't need 2500 people on one single server to talk or get things done. I don't get how Asurans can't understand this simple concept.

Those who are upset or casual (not sure how being a casual even relevant since my social LS pearl anyone that ask for a pearl) can choose to transfer rather than quit. None of us argue that others aren't allowed to leave if they are unhappy.

There is no debate, that's the entire problem here.

On one side people believing there is anything to debate and on the other people who don't understand why people debate thin air.

Things are very simple, really:

- Like populated servers? Go there.
- Don't like populated servers? Don't go there.

You are the only person to refuse both and ask for a third option. There is no third option, the reasons you gave to not pick either are feelings related (which is fine), they don't hold any value when it comes to explaining things logically since they're feelings. It is perfectly fine if you do that, but it is really not difficult to understand that you willingly bring misery upon yourself. Your problems are unrelated to the topic at hand.

And the problem is that these people, mostly Asura drones, are way too stupid to not use your situation as an argument and blow it out of proportion despite it being something unrelated.

So yeah, there is no debate here, I only see a sea of dumb people and it's surprisingly always the same people being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE about every topic being discussed around here for the past years. You'd think they'd learn at some point.
Now that's brutal honesty.

Yeah I've come to realize I started this by accident. I didn't expect it to blow up like it did, nor did I expect to be insulted repeatedly for it. I've already apologised for my behaviour, but I know some probably won't accept it. It's strange because I do frequent other online forums and never get in to these kinds of posts.

Said a few times I was going to quit posting in this forum the past few years, but I probably need to do it for real. Sometimes I vent frustration and my opinions get taken too seriously, and I don't want to be seen as someone who creates drama unnecessarily. In game I am much calmer and happy, and things get done without any of this. So I may visit for job guides and stuff, but I need to bow out. Clearly there's no room here for my uneducated and childish opinions.

FFXI community is highly toxic, every member

I kinda explained why, tl:dr MMO's don't appeal to "well adjusted" humans.

Lol well hes had his moments in the past on game.

Soon the remaining population will be converted into thornyy's. Hes like mr smith from the matrix. Everyone 18 boxing for that maximum efficiency.

Does anyone find that sad? Lol, or should we accept that reality given the game being in retirement years.

11 pages of this ***that is about 10 pages too many.

Left for a bit and came back...

Holy ***at amount of pessimism in the last page...

I don't think FFXI community is "toxic" as a whole(quite the opposite actually), nor the game dying, nor I believe people have some kind of evil alt persona on these forums.

So I'm genuinely baffled at negativity outburst on this last page. Wtf is going on....-.-

ftfy

i'm a little sad you never saw this threads potential.

You are actually arguing FOR and AGAINST marking up sales on AH. You admit making one of those shields is "regoddamndiculous" then, act as if someone wishing to profit from their efforts is doing something morally wrong. Anyone, anyone can make one of those shields with time and effort, it doesn't literally take a person 150 bagillion gil to make one.

This whole thing about people not liking crafters marking up prices has been a forum topic for years...nothing to do with shields. It's just those not willing to take the time and effort to craft wondering why crafters dare expect a large profit margin for their efforts. If crafters on Asura want to undercut one another to the point they are basically giving the items away, that's their choice.

Maybe the real issue should be attacking those who spam instances like Vagary with multi-accounts charging for things such as dark matter 3 x their worth, which then forces crafters to charge more due to mat costs.

.....In Soviet Vana'diel the Rostam buys you!

Ive interact with him on forum for years but not once that he came off as a jack *** nor rude in my eyes. I mostly view him as a helpful and knowlegeable poster that can be reasoned with...even if we disagree with each other on certain topics. So I cant get how this "evil persona" theory came from.

Yes....he throw out insults(and personal assumptions occassionally) in discussions. But I read that as genuine frustration that came from trying to get his points across but failed repeatly, because the other side is way too stubborn to change their pov nor follow his logic in a debate.





I think its unfortunate that Kylos felt this frustrated in a discussion. However I dont think its because FFXI community is inherently evil/toxic.

Kylos shares more "personal space"(not sure if this is a good term to use here since the word "emotional" sounds negative) than avg FFXI forum users - Thats not critizing him. In fact I find it refreshing to read his LS blog post on these forums, adds something new to the forums.

But that also means posts like this is probably less fit on a forum because forums are made to have different functions: which is to discuss game related stuff and find solutions to problems. So sharing negative personal feelings on forum often came out as creating more problems for the community to solve.

I dont think its ffxi community being a *** in this case, despite some people overreacted in the discussions made it seem that way.

I dont see that as a problem, but if he wants to leave then I respect the choice anyways.

Brah, the entirety of the crafting system is broken bottom to top. It's all ***, it's always been ***, it always will be ***. Shields amplified the problem ten fold though.

And by entirety, I mean, entirety. From the drop rates, to the drop locations, to the lock outs, to the break rate, to the sub crafts, to the HQ rate, to the AH, to the min/maxing. All of it.

This is easy: because there are morons on other servers who basically tick everyone off or use people then, have no LS that will take them because they have a bad name for doing one of the above, or they suck. Those are typically the ones from Bahamut who transfer to Asura. I also know of one case where the person's friends are the morons nobody wants to play with, so they had to go to Asura then, the loyal friend followed.

So in the end, as Eiryl keeps repeating, there really is no option: stay on a non-Asura server if you have the ability to maintain social connections and enjoy that more than PUGs, or flee to Asura when nobody is left who wants to do anything with you and you can't/don't multi-box. People transferring to Asura is zero proof Asura is a better server situation...usually the opposite.

And? Those who choose to brave that pile of garbage that is FFXI crafting then should be amply rewarded for supplying the rest with wonderific white boxed gear. I agree.

It has potential alright to get worse !

What would be best and never would happen.

Is they lower the ridiculous 18 bucks to 9 and leave it.

So you can jump around servers and see for yourself.

And stop arguing with some *** on the internet about it.

Or you could spend a dollar on a mule go to Asura and see for yourself.

I'd say the completed crafting shields solved an age old issue of NQ being a complete waste of money, sometimes to the point that they'd be npc'd to keep the price from tanking further while HQ's are in so low supply that they're at a super premium...
But SE pre-empted this solution by adding +2 torques and weapons.
Now white boxes don't even cover the cost of materials and blue box is sold at a price point to make up the difference of both breaks & white box losses.