Is Vajra Worth Making Anymore?

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is Vajra worth making anymore?
 Cerberus.Shadowmeld
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2024-11-12 08:57:55  
Atrox78 said: »
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Vajra is not really worth it in terms of DPS in current meta. It's got abysmal delay (200). Mandalic Stab is lackluster in terms of damage. It's significantly weaker than Rudra's Storm (~30%) even at R15. It's got only 60% dex mod, with a max FTP 8.5, vs 80%/13 for Rudra's

However, Mandalic Stab has a 75% boost to attack which means on mobs where you can't get to attack cap, Mandalic can shine. That really narrows it down to low/no buff situations and Odyssey Gaol.

Unfortunately unless you're in a position to push a DNC out of party in Gaol, not a lot of fights where you can take a thf.

Would never take thf to oddy. I have a Prime warrior and Prime Dragoon for that. It would be used as a solo weapon (htbf) and for dyanamis where I'm bringing it for TH. Even then, I'll be using SU5 for waves 1 and 2 for obvious reasons. It would be my wave 3 weapon. Again, not looking to win the parse. Just looking to be better then my current Aeonic thf.

You asked for a generalized comparison between Twash and Vajra. I provided that. I added some context of situations where even with the imo heavy advantage Twash carries, you might want to consider using Vajra for. Regardless of whether you would do those on thf or not.

In terms of use, Vajra is not really a spam weapon. You'll actually find more use going for AM3 and then spamming Rudra's instead of Mandalic. When I was using it, I could still never manage to catch Twashtar. Maybe I used it wrong, who knows.

I almost never frame a discussion about DPS around "winning a parse." That is reductive. For me it's always about comparing it to myself. I couldn't care less about beating that WAR over there. I do care about optimizing this option I'm currently trying vs that other option I was using before.
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By Pantafernando 2024-11-12 10:21:32  
If you like, why not?
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By Pantafernando 2024-11-12 10:22:36  
For the cost of 2 or 3 weeks of effort, you can decide for yourself if its worth or not
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By Atrox78 2024-11-12 13:49:38  
Pantafernando said: »
For the cost of 2 or 3 weeks of effort, you can decide for yourself if its worth or not

Or, I can ask and get opinions of its performance before I invest 2 to 3 weeks? Seriously, if you can't be bothered to offer insight just ignore the damn discussion
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By Ragnarok.Creaucent 2024-11-12 13:53:57  
There are 5 pages of it.... it is not better than Aeonic with Rudras spam. Nothing has changed since this thread was originally made.

The only actual difference now is WS wall so if you are going THF to Aminon or Ody and can't use Rudras or Ruthless then Mendalic is an option.
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By Asura.Bronzequadav 2024-11-12 13:55:33  
As I'm sure has been said in this thread, it's worth making for the lockstyle alone.
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By Atrox78 2024-11-12 14:05:00  
Ragnarok.Creaucent said: »
There are 5 pages of it.... it is not better than Aeonic with Rudras spam. Nothing has changed since this thread was originally made.

The only actual difference now is WS wall so if you are going THF to Aminon or Ody and can't use Rudras or Ruthless then Mendalic is an option.

Lol who in the hell would use THF in either of those scenarios? Apparently there are differing opinions on it being better then the Aeonic which is why I asked. Again, your are welcome to ignore my post and the responses.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-11-12 14:05:45  
It's not possible to make Vajra out of purely being bored? Not sure about you circles but most people I know are bored out of their minds and the only option left is make a Vajra.
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