Random Politics & Religion #34

I know I have been gone a long time, saw some new rules posted, but can we just start saying "*** you (insert persons name that posted)" now?

That kind of crap is usually moderated, but I have no clue where the mods are lately. CJ can't handle this thread without becoming extremely hostile for no good reason.

Ok, I did see some new rules, I generally like them and see reasoning behind them. Hope things have become more civil since their implementation. I dig the no editing rule. Spellcheck all the things!

Welcome to the insanity. It's nice to see a fresh face that doesn't belong to a raving lunatic for once.

This from your *** that parrots *** 24/7!?!? Isn't that *** rich.

The VA system has always been screwed, I know this for fact because I got out in 2005 and have used it since. I do like the new option to see your private doctor if wait is over 90 days, which for ortho it always is.

If that's the best argument you have, feel free, just keep in mind what that does to your stance.

the point is neither has trump, yet.

Left tries to screw him everyday...

That has nothing to do with your Obama vs Trump post. Trump likes to talk a lot of ***about how he cares about vets, so, what has he changed?

I just gave you an example dude..

He has changed many things about vets and our care. Yeah the prior VA Admin according to CJ was good, I think he sucked. Since taking office Robert Wilkie has proposed a few good changes but alas anything to do with perm changes has to go through Congress.

I really like the latest change that if your appointment is over 90 days you can get a voucher to go see a private Dr and then they complete your care. For me I use ortho and waits were generally over 6 months.

So just that one thing.

It’s like memories just disappear when presidents change like republicans didn’t spend every day just trying to pummel obama about everything lol... get over it...

Also, that’s not a Trump administration change.

The Choice program predates Trump.

https://www.va.gov/health/newsfeatures/2015/july/10-things-to-know-about-choice-program.asp


Something something Obama doesn’t care about Vets...

Are you implying that Obama proposed these measures or even pushed for them? I hope you aren't.

Slore is implying that Trump had something to do with these measures, how do you feel about that?

Trump aides discussed using security clearance revocations to distract from negative stories: report
The Hill

I guess it's somewhat innacurate. Trump has pushed and signed for expansions from it to extend to family members as well. After obama finally signed his part after threats to veto it, it ended there. Nothing further was done even though investigations were showing that reports were still being doctored and vets were still falling through or being outright ignored in areas. Trump pushed for and signed into law, a protection to whistleblowers inside the VA to bring accountability to those administrators that are intentionally skewing numbers at the cost of our vets' healthcare. It's a start to see where we truly are on the matter. So my thoughts are good in that hes acknowledging a problem and trying to tackle it head on instead of ignoring the coverups...even if it makes the VA look terrible or that it's getting worse. At least the data will be more accurate. Cant fix a problem that people dont know exists.

He knows, and he's attempting to revert the "Who Cares...whatever" mentality of Obama towards the Veteran's Affairs.

And we have truth once again.

Straight from Mattis

Harsh truth about parade but it is coming from the Mad Dog!

Not greed no matter what the cheeto bandidto says.

Here is DC's cost breakdown in .pdf:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000165-4855-d696-a76f-7e5d4b240001

Notice that over 1/2 the cost is Metropolitan Police Department. I suppose those greedy cops should not only forgo overtime, but even work for free.

Couple of things to point.

The two primary negotiators of the bill were John McCain and Bernie Sanders.

The only three dissenting votes came from Jeff Sessions, Ron Johnson and Bob Corker. Those three aren’t left leaning.

Main issue it had was funding but that comes from the legislative branch which hasn’t been left leaning for the better part of this decade.

Which really begs the question why is it when right leaning politicians sabotage programs right leaning voters like, said voters blame the left?

More things to point out.

The bill was proposed by a republican. It passed the republican controlled house numerous times and was denied in the democratic senate numerous times.

And the three dissenting votes were against the funding. Congress isn't allowed to add to the federal deficit without subtracting money from somewhere else. By declaring the vote as an emergency, they were able to bypass this. These three Congressmen attempted to make a point of order against the emergency designation but Sanders waived the point of order and their dissenting votes ensued. They were voting against more debt. They wanted it to be funded properly.

Giuliani: ‘Truth isn’t truth’

That's even better than "it depends on what the definition of is is"

Hitler was a jerk:

Something something I pretended to read it something something.