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If you're not good enough to get Emp+3 gear, you're not good enough to do V20 fights, regardless if someone gimps you Muffins or not.

You asked if the situation would be improved if seg rewards for A/B were increased. I said that I think seg rewards for B are fine.

No, I don't think increasing rewards would do anything. People will still thumb their nose at soloing A/B for lesser reward and prefer to do nothing instead. It is what it is.


This is true for bumba, an *** fight to begin with.

Can a Ranger or Cor on Arebati do well on V15 with R1 Ikenga armor? How about R1 Nyame armor on any fight. Will any dd do well in V15 without r15 nyame?

Realistically yeah they can. The difference between r0 and r15 ikenga is mostly a little bit of ranged attack. The body isn't worth using until r20ish on cor at least if you have the other options available to you and ranger generally prefers empy body anyway. DD jobs with otherwise sorted jse don't tend to even want nyame until minimum r20 barring maybe one piece. 3 jse pieces and an ambu piece so you're really talking about one piece of r15 nyame over probably some oseem piece. Again not in any world truly make or break like you're trying to insist.

No, altough I guess that would be part of it ultimately.
I mentioned segments being made "somehow easier to get, with more flexibility in the system and slightly more rewarding A/B", the question was: "do you think the situation would become worse because of that?"

So, yeah, do you think the game experience would become worse? If so please do explain I'm willing to extensively read your point about it!

No, I don't. I don't think it would make a substantial difference either way, because I don't see segment cost as a big issue to begin with.

Even if SE gave 5k segments at exit without killing any mobs whatsoever, I think people would still find a way not to do it.

I think segment cost is an excuse people use, not a real reason they don't participate in Odyssey. Maybe segment cost was a factor when the content was new, not now years later.


Complete BS. You will 100% die trying to WS in ambu gear in v15+. Maybe jse +4 might be okay being generous.

It's kinda *** backwards. Segments are still new to people who are new. And worse to get than when they were new, because they're not new anymore. The meta set in. The statics set in. The pool of players is smaller.

Some amount of people will never do it regardless. Some people would do it if A/B gave better segments.

More access is rarely a bad thing. (*)For the content anyway, it's always bad economically.

Segment cost is absolutely a huge reason to not participate in Odyssey
Not everyone wants to feel compelled to do a daily grind to enter a fight in 2026

Yeah, but the example you gave was Arebati V15, which uses shooters, neither of which are in AOE range.

You can absolutely beat Arebati V15 using JSE+3 (WSD+10/12) gear and the WSD+ Ambuscade piece, which for RNG is hands (COR gets a better option with Empyrean+2/3). There's a new body piece with WSD+10% that RNG could wear (conflicts with COR+3/4 AF body, but has -DT on it).

(You don't have to grind segments daily, by the way)
Same story with every piece of content nowadays?

Cost to grind limbus gear is way too high (time, gil)
Cost to make a prime is way too high (several months of constant farming if you have a static, longer without)

If you're not compelled to do [daily] grinds to have enough points to do the actual endgame content called Odyssey, you're going to be mighty disappointed at the following two events after it...

I mean, yeah? Those grinds suck too! And I get it, they want people to keep paying, but those grinds are really bad.

I asked about R1 Nyame in any fight. Ok, on arebati you're not in range. Kalunga? Xevioso?

Whoa, no *** way. Truly groundbreaking information that absolutely nobody knew.

That still does nothing to address the point that a daily reset creates a sense that players are expected to do it every day. If SE didn't intend for people to engage with it daily, they probably wouldn't have designed it as a daily event.

Crazy concept, I know.

For sure you CAN get caught in WS set at bad times, but for most of the fight you're in a melee/dt hybrid set. Sakpata/Gleti's unranked is perfectly fine for the bosses. As far as Nyame, you can just build around the lack of -DT on them between accessories (can get -30% DT between Murky Ring, Defending Ring, JSE-5%DT cape and Alabaster earring), so not having ranked Nyame is not a death sentence.

Xevioso is practically harmless on V15 unless she has threat on you directly, or fetters are up (MDT and remove aura). Kalunga's only main threat is during fetters or Incinerating Lahar (which you can run out of range for 20~ seconds until unweak), you avoid most hits standing behind it. The V15 fights have no add, so they are not very threatening to the backline or melee DD if you gear up properly.

Then the problem is FOMO in your own head. Daily resets just mean its available, not necessary TO do daily. You can just not do it, you'll be OK. You lose whatever imaginary advantage you created in your mind you would get from NOT missing out.

So we're saying players that can't be bothered to rp their nyame are going to gear their sets properly.

Alright, your experience is different than mine I guess. (lol, no. )

Are you really that incapable of realising that some players might not want to grind daily trash mobs in order to practice a fight? No other MMO on the market does this in 2026.
Imagine if WoW or FFXIV said you were only allowed to practice a raid boss if you spent 30 minutes grinding per day and then you were only allowed 3-4 attempts based on your performance.
It would be *** absurd, and it is in FFXI too.

Also I literally don't even play very regularly anymore, I give no *** about being "behind" lmao

Alright, I see.

Honestly I doubt it would be a HUGE positive difference, I really don't think it would go that far.
But small positive difference? Pretty confident it would.
No reason to keep it gated that way in 2026 after the content is so old, if you ask me (it made sense at launch, I suppose?)


"huge" I dunno, but a reason nonetheless, for sure.
It's also a matter of people logging every other day, being able to do multiple runs on that one day would also do wonders, if you ask me.
There's plenty of stuff compelling people to login everyday that they could remove that limitation from this single content and make it more flexible like Omen, for instance.

Our groups beat V15s without R20 Nyame back when it came out, so yes it is possible. Remember, we didn't have amplifiers to speed up the process back then.

For sure it *could* be made more flexible wrt not even requiring segs in first place.

Sortie *could* be made more flexible like Omen too.

Limbus *could" be made to suck a lot less too.

But they won't. These things are design decisions to keep people subbed and with things to do that cannot be made up if they don't do them.

Don't really see a way around it outside significantly boosted campaigns. Like 10x seg increase or something.

Ironically, it's what made me unsub.

Someone who understands the game and quit pre-odyssey is probably going to have most of their upgraded armor and work to +3/+4 it. That'll give them 3 pieces of high def/m.eva armor with good WSD on most jobs. Empyrean+3 is better than what most jobs had when V20 was released, tbh. For the melee ones, you also have Ampulla, which is a very substantial damage boost for some jobs.

I can definitely see how RPing Nyame helps, but it's still pretty optional before V25. Augmenting the other sets is really not required to clear V25 (maybe 2 Agwu pieces for Bumba).

I remember someone calculating it being like 66 kills of V15 to fully augment 1 piece of gear due to how ***the RP process was back then. Somehow people forget.

People were also clearing v15s without R10+ gear because of that. Iirc Bumba came out March 2021 and people killed v15 shortly after without any Nyame augmented much. Crazy how Nyame and Amps have spoiled people lol

Yes, fair points. Guy over there was talking about using ambu gear, which I just don't see ever working.

I still remember soloing V15 Gogmagog's on MNK for 392 RP per kill to augment my Coiste Bodhar. Dozens of runs. Then SE release amplifiers and people did it in hours.

Absolutely, which is why I said they should re-evaluate it for Segments/Odyssey because it doesn't look to me it's working for that end, whereas I'm confident it does work at least to a certain extent for the other content you listed.

Regardless of that, one thing is accepting the fact that SE will hardly ever change it (I absolutely agree), another thing is saying "no they should rather NOT change that! It's better the way it is now!"
Which is not what you were saying of course but not so far from what someone has said behind the lines.

A singular piece of ambu gear in a WS set with otherwise sorted JSE and appropriate rest of set is just not at all likely to kill you on a v15. Use the r1 nyame piece if you really want the dps checks aren't enough to make it matter. Which you're trying to insist it will and i just do not believe you. Modern JSE is a hell of a drug that you didn't have when v15 was current content. r1 nyame and modern JSE is enough to kill everything on v15. Factually it is. Your point about arebati needing ranked up ikenga was wrong. Kalunga barely even hits your DDs. Xevi's a peach unless fetters are up on 15. v15's don't have adds so those aren't gonna be killing you. I'm quite sure you can get by without augmented nyame until at least v20. If you're wearing competent engaged sets and build your WS sets knowing you don't have augmented nyame i'm quite sure it can be done.

Gear creep has come a long way, yes, I am sure it can be done.

I still think anyone doing v15 should be able to pop it themselves, which does mean doing the lower progressions unfortunately.

If you do t3 v15 via someone else taking you in, you lack ability to rp anything yourself. It's not helpful.

Skipping grind to get Emp+3 = bad
Skipping grind to get V20 access = good

But even if you skip that grind, as Dodik said, you cant do anything with it. Yall just be picking and choosing ***that contradicts each other.

Anyone should be able to pop up to V15 right out of the gate. That lets players unlock r20 augments on gear, giving them most of the power, while not making players waste time and segs on doing the lower-tier vengeance levels. Clearing V20/V25 is still enough of a grind that Odyssey would still be long-term content for most groups.

The RNG on auras is also ***. Gaol has some neat elements, no subjobs and 3 KIs to kill an NM makes for some interesting strats (and, unlike Sortie, requires real job diversity!), but getting a bad roll on an aura, especially for the 40% aura on V25's, is demoralizing for players. Make the auras static per fight, or reduce their potency.

I don't know that these two changes would be enough to "fix" Odyssey, considering how soundly it has been rejected by the players, but S-E has to do something.