Random Politics & Religion #29: Hypocrisy Edition

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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:35:16  
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Well when the nukes start flying this will all be a faint memory.

Could you try not to sound so hopeful for the nuclear holocaust?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-30 11:35:24  
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Anyone else wondered why it took a special investigation into Russian collusion of a US election to bring charges of, what is very commonly known as bank/wire fraud?

I mean, it's either that:

A) Actual bank fraud investigators are asleep on the wheel.
B) These charges normally do not amount to anything worthwhile, generally a fine or something of that nature.
C) The Russian investigation not only comes up empty, but Mueller has to bring something to justify this faux investigation. Meaning that there is not only not any collusion between Trump and Russia, but Mueller is specifically ignoring actual collusion done between Russia, Clinton, and Obama Administration. Which leads to it's own special prosecutor for that investigation. Which will never happen because reasons.

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conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading US Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.

I know, I know, if it's not bolded it's unreadable.
Wow, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, that's treason there! High crimes against the moose of the nation as it stands!

No point in holding a trial, they are obviously guilty of not filing paperwork! Might as well get the firing squad ready!

Well I guess bolding 2 things is too much for you, I should have known.

Expecting someone to not jump to conclusions based on non-specific charges before the details are even available is also too hard. Confirmation bias is real.

Yeah I agree, KN is jumping to conclusions way too quickly.

Nominated for lamest deflection of the day.

So you agree with this statement?

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The Russian investigation not only comes up empty, but Mueller has to bring something to justify this faux investigation. Meaning that there is not only not any collusion between Trump and Russia, but Mueller is specifically ignoring actual collusion done between Russia, Clinton, and Obama Administration. Which leads to it's own special prosecutor for that investigation. Which will never happen because reasons.

I thought you were somewhat rational.
Keeping the quote train. Choo-choo-da-choo!

Tell us them, why would these charges be newsworthy, or even relevant to this investigation? I thought Mueller is supposed to investigate collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign, or any campaign in general (but he is ignoring the obvious collusion between Clinton and Russia, but that's another story).
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:35:42  
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By fonewear 2017-10-30 11:35:49  
I'm hoping they can nuke Wal Mart just in time for Black Friday.
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By Anna Ruthven 2017-10-30 11:35:54  
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By fonewear 2017-10-30 11:36:21  
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fonewear said: »
Well when the nukes start flying this will all be a faint memory.

Could you try not to sound so hopeful for the nuclear holocaust?

I pray to God every night that the nukes take out Japan...mostly just Asura server !
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By Zerowone 2017-10-30 11:37:00  
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NINE PAGES.
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By fonewear 2017-10-30 11:37:08  
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fonewear said: »
Well when the nukes start flying this will all be a faint memory.

Could you try not to sound so hopeful for the nuclear holocaust?

Well nuclear winter is probably better than a real winter. Instead of snow can glow in the dark.
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:37:48  
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Tell us them, why would these charges be newsworthy, or even relevant to this investigation? I thought Mueller is supposed to investigate collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign, or any campaign in general

I suspect we'll find that out soon enough.

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(but he is ignoring the obvious collusion between Clinton and Russia, but that's another story).

The thing is, he is empowered to investigate alleged collusion and any additional wrongdoings he uncovers while doing so.

He is actually doing exactly what he was told.
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By fonewear 2017-10-30 11:37:52  
It will be like Fallout 4 but with better dialogue and frame rate.
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:38:44  
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The thing is, he is empowered to investigate alleged collusion and any additional wrongdoings he uncovers while doing so.

He is actually doing exactly what he was told.

Err. Forgot to add "So if he finds something he can throw at Clinton, I'm sure he will."
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By fonewear 2017-10-30 11:38:54  
How they could spend that long on Fallout 4 with a terrible game engine is beyond me.
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:38:57  
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It will be like Fallout 4 but with better dialogue and frame rate.

'dat downtown stutter.
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By Anna Ruthven 2017-10-30 11:38:58  
If this indictment has nothing to do with Trump, why did Trump immediately distance himself from Manafort and go on the defensive?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-30 11:39:36  
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Which could be substantial. Then again, we don't know the value of the accounts, and if the accounts themselves equal to or less than $10,000 USD, then there are no filing requirements at all and Manafort can protest that in court. And also get all charges dropped because of it (in regards to FBAR).

Figure I saw quoted was $18M.

No idea if that's actual amount we're talking for this particular charge.
If the account's highest total of the 7 year period is $18 million, then the fines themselves will be maximum $63 million. But he will more than likely pay $6.3 million for the 7 years, as long as he files the FBARs in question and/or amends them. IRS has a program to reduce the burden if Manafort is quick enough to do it.

Which also leads to the question as to why IRS and the bank regulators allowed this non-filing to occur in the first place. Other people would have been hit with this a whole lot sooner than now.
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Suspicious.
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By Zerowone 2017-10-30 11:40:47  
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How they could spend that long on Fallout 4 with a terrible game engine is beyond me.

They were too busy whoring out Skyrim for 5 years to put any real effort. They shouldn’t have neglected New Vegas.
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By Anna Ruthven 2017-10-30 11:40:48  
Trump distanced himself from Manafort faster than he distanced himself from the Ku Klux Klan.

...oh wait.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-30 11:40:56  
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Tell us them, why would these charges be newsworthy, or even relevant to this investigation? I thought Mueller is supposed to investigate collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign, or any campaign in general

I suspect we'll find that out soon enough.

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(but he is ignoring the obvious collusion between Clinton and Russia, but that's another story).

The thing is, he is empowered to investigate alleged collusion and any additional wrongdoings he uncovers while doing so.

He is actually doing exactly what he was told.
It's almost like he has to go out of his way to find some wrongdoing.

Next thing you know, he's going to charge Trump for a traffic ticket he didn't pay when he was 16.
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:42:10  
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How they could spend that long on Fallout 4 with a terrible game engine is beyond me.

The engine isn't the problem so much as the way they employ it. They're so *** lazy. When you can get mods that increase visuals and still decrease framerate...

I was pissing around an area and wanted to see if there was anything inside a few wrecked vehicles but I didn't want to go back and get my jetpack, so I just turned clipping off to take a peak.

This was near water, so there was a sunken boat sticking out of the water. But only like...a few feet of the prow of the boat.

...if you clip beneath the ground, the entire boat is rendered.

No wonder ***takes so long to load when you're rendering things you'll never see without developer cheats.
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By fonewear 2017-10-30 11:42:16  
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How they could spend that long on Fallout 4 with a terrible game engine is beyond me.

They were too busy whoring out Skyrim for 5 years to put any real effort. They shouldn’t have neglected New Vegas.

Speaking of which TES VI should be out soon...hopefully.
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By Zerowone 2017-10-30 11:42:26  
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Suspicious.

Obama and Hillary were planning this since the Bush Administration!!!!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-10-30 11:42:27  
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If this indictment has nothing to do with Trump, why did Trump immediately distance himself from Manafort and go on the defensive?

You're trying to apply conventional political wisdom to Donald Trump. Where have you been for the past two years?
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By fonewear 2017-10-30 11:43:20  
Manafont is going to cast warp 2 on Mueller problem solved.
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:43:26  
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How they could spend that long on Fallout 4 with a terrible game engine is beyond me.

They were too busy whoring out Skyrim for 5 years to put any real effort. They shouldn’t have neglected New Vegas.

NV can take the biggest *** of ***.

Unstable POS.
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By fonewear 2017-10-30 11:43:43  
That or if they go in a dungeon he can cast escape.
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:44:34  
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It's almost like he has to go out of his way to find some wrongdoing.

I'm interested to see where things go from here. It could be huge (yuge?) Or it could be nothing.

Either way, at least it won't be boring!
 
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:44:54  
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That or if they go in a dungeon he can cast escape.

Do the tunnels below the White House count?
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-30 11:45:31  
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He will have a trial, we will (maybe) get to see the evidence the investigators have and then we will know if Russia is involved ... so 2 years minimum from now since Manafort has money.

So just in time for more Russia ***to help/hurt another presidential campaign.

*** Russkies.
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