Random Politics & Religion #26

Almost every building.

The city hall of Hiroshima, the actual "bulls-eye" that the bombers used and hit when they dropped the bomb, is the only building on the south side of the nearby mountains that survived.

You should go see it, and while you are there, go visit the memorial and museum. Well worth the trip.

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Gwtting raided only means they could convince a judge that they didnt think mamafort was cooperating.

That does not mean he wasn't.

Sure, whatever you say bub.

Lawfare tactics being used on political opponents and supporters is a liberal tactic being used for close to a decade now. You can thank the Obama Administration for that.

No just no.

There was no huge fireball, the nukes were small and first generation, most of the material didn't even fission. The fireball from that category nuke is somewhere around 150~200 meters radius, meaning about a 150 meter hole is dug in the ground if it's a ground burst. That's not huge, look at what a 100kt or 250kt nuke produces first. The fire on the other hand was over 1.5km radius though it demands on geographic layout and the damage went ever further out.

The point of this is that all modern cities are constructed out of concrete and steel which are both highly resistant to the damage from a nuclear weapon. This isn't a coincidence. After the US studied the effects of both bombs they were startled at how much destruction was observed, far more then field testing had indicated would be a result. They studied it further and it was determined the building materials the Japanese had used had practically zero 0 PF (Protection Factor, that's a real nuclear term), turning the results of that study towards the US realized how vulnerable the US would be to those same weapons. During the cold war the US deliberately had a policy of using concrete, steel and geographically dispersed assets to protect it's infrastructure and population from a nuclear attack.

If you were to take a 15kt nuke and detonate it in the middle of a modern big city, the effects would be vastly reduced vs detonating it on a 1940's Japanese city.

But hey it doesn't fit your narrative so whatever right.

And I wonder what it was made out of.

Also the bomb sights of that day were quite inaccurate, the bombardier would look down this sight and line up these crosshairs before releasing the bomb to free fall until it's altitude and timer sensors activated the fuse.


They will figure it out pretty quickly. Unfortunately today's millennial generation "quickly" means a few minutes. In national terms time is measured in months and years, so I expect NK to act all tough and ***for about a year or two before it has a near death experience. And by near death I mean there is some actual crisis or confrontation where there is a real possibility of the USA deploying it's nuclear assets on NK as a preventative measure and NK strategists plan out the results of that course of action. It's one of those sobering moments of "I nearly destroyed my country".

You'd rather be vaporized than live through the effects caused by the black rain.

Welcome to the Progressive Religion. That ***in Wisconsin is pretty much par for the course, liberals will utilize any and all methods available to intimidate and silence opposition. They are pretty evil in how they conduct business.

That only happens on a ground burst and interestingly enough not in a modern city. You'd have to hit a mountain top with a ground burst near a city, and then hope the atmospheric conditions are right for the newly created radioactive cobalt and cesium atoms to linger long enough to be absorbed into heavy rain clouds.

But hey doesn't fit your narrative.

Not true. In the building boom in major cities in the 1920s, steel and concrete was the primary building material because of stability (and status). This was well before any attempts at a nuclear weapon was even conceived.

If you want evidence of this, look at how the skyscrapers of NY, Chicago, Los Angeles, hell, even San Antonio were built at the time.

Remember, the 1920s was a time of economic prosperity and also a huge rush to build taller buildings for ego's sake.

Yeah like there aren't mountains in Korea, Oregon, Washington or California.

Hiroshima had Black Rain and the epicenter was a T-Bridge near the coast.

But hey doesn't fit your narrative.

They raided his house this morning.

Check/report your sources. Everything I've seen says that the raid happened in July but was only reported as of this morning.

Since I know you're going to post a whole lot of inaccurate information in response to my post: air bursts minimizes fallout it does not eliminate it.

Oh my bad.

The managort leak today is intentional because it attempts to take Trump standing up to the Norks (which there is public support for) off the fromt page.

Its how the deep state is trying to control the media narrative.

Nope they're talking about Mattis's statement today about the death of Un regime and destruction of the NPRK. How it contradicts Tillerson's statement about sleeping well at night. We're pumping and priming the starfish?

Every news update today puts manafort as top news.

Norks are secondary.

All a diversion.

Analysts: Wis. Won't Break Even on Foxconn Deal for Decades
State won't see benefits until 2042 at the earliest

Nausi: Trump going to war will distract from this "Russian" witch hunt

Nausi: The "Russian" witch hunt is a distraction from going to war.

Nausi: So easy to confuse the "smart" libs

Moderates and Libs: That one is a special kind of....

Putting words in my mouth as always.

*Looks around*

Who are you talking about?

Like "Hillary is a war hawk that will start WW3!", and then "Hillary would already be waving the white flag at the norks"?

You have a hard time with physics don't you...

15kt nuke has a fireball 150~200 meters radius, meaning a diameter of 300~400 depending. Littleboy specifically ahd one 370M, but it was a high altitude airburst at 600m from the ground thus it's fireball never actually touched anything.
"Temperature" means a radically different thing from what you think to what physics says. That 6000C is the plasma temperature and only exists for a fraction of a second and then is rapidly dispersed. In comparison a lightening bolt has a plasma temperature of over 30,000C. Lightening bolts don't vaporize everyone in 10km and they are 5~6x hotter then a nuclear plasma.

Nuclear weapons cause damage through three primary means. Remember the nuke ignition lasts only a few milliseconds before the released energy push's the reactants too far apart to react with each other. Time is a far more critical component to energy then intensity.

#1 Direct radiation, this is the visible, infrared, gamma and x-ray radiation that is immediately released by the uncontrolled fission reaction, it lasts a few milliseconds. The visible radiation will blind anyone looking directly at the flash, the infrared radiation sets anything flammable on fire, the x-ray and gamma straight up cook anything nearby. Direct radiation obeys the inverse square law and rapidly lose's it's potency over distance. The intensity at 200m is 1/4th the intensity at 100m, the intensity at 400m is 1/16th the intensity of 100m. This is why large bombs are far less effective then small bombs. The direct radiation of that small nuke will instantly kill anyone who's unprotected to within ~800m, of course the moment we put any building materials a lot of that direct radiation starts getting absorbed and that distance gets cut in half. This doesn't mean they won't die, they just won't be instantly incinerated.

#2 Heat, that infrared radiation that got absorbed by those building materials doesn't magically go away, it melts, warps and sets stuff on fire and that also cause's death. This was the primary mode of death in the two bombs dropped on japan. The infrared radiation off a nuke will set paper, dry straw and wood on fire up a few kilometers away, it'll also give a nasty burn to any human standing nearby though it won't kill them. The firestorm created from a nuke setting a lot of ***on fire is really destructive and tends to burn anything, that can be burned, within a few kilometers of the nuke. Concrete and steel buildings tend to resistance to this effect, though as the fire in London demonstrated these buildings are not impervious, depending on what other materials were used the building can still catch on fire and kill all the people living there.

#3 Pressure wave, the air molecules near the nuke absorb a lot of it's released energy causing them to heat up and rapidly expand outward creating a large shock wave. This shock wave has the furthest range of all the direct effects and is responsible for knocking down buildings, bursting glass windows, throwing cars around and otherwise wrecking everything around it. This will kill anyone unprotected at over a kilometer away, yet small protections dramatically enhance the chance of living. Being away from windows and out of the streets is sufficient to half that distance. Being inside a concrete / brick structure with at least one wall between the person and the window is sufficient to half it again. Also this pressure wave gets diverted, refracted, channeled and diminished based on geographic features, like say a bunch of tall *** concrete and steel buildings everywhere.


And that's how nukes can directly kill people. Now lets discuss fallout, another favorite for Hollywood ***.

"Fallout" isn't some magical thing that happens, it's just regular mater that's been irradiated as it's passed through the center of a nuclear fireball and is left to drift downwards into the local environment where it's ingested or otherwise enters the human body. The amount of fall out created depends on how far from the ground a nuke goes off, and fallout isn't actually created as a component of the nuclear reaction. When the air gets super heated and rush's outward it creates a vacuum near the middle of the reaction, immediately after the pressure wave is released the colder air underneath is sucked into this vacuum and goes through the middle then out the top creating the "mushroom cloud" effect. The higher up in the air a nuke goes off, the less dust and dirt is available to be sucked through the middle and instead just atmosphere and H2O vapor get sucked through creating virtually no fallout. A ground burst, which is a nuke that detonates mere meters from the ground, creates a *** ton of fallout because all that dirt that used to be in that crater that got blasted gets sucked through the middle, transmutes to very nasty stuff like cobalt and cesium and then gets released into the atmosphere where it can get absorbed into rain clouds if they are nearby. Hiroshima had very little fallout due to the bomb being a high altitude burst. Ground tests on the other hand produce a lot of fall out and is largely why everyone stopped doing them.

Physics wins over your ideology every day.