Random Politics & Religion #25

I don't get the idea that health care is demanded. Who are you to demand anything. You guys are lucky we Republicans even let you live !

This is where we disagree. With part time jobs, they don't tend to give things like sick days or vacation time. So right now, they use the excuse of the ACA for why they can't hire full time workers. And they've been running with part-time workers for a few years now. I don't expect that to change at all. Why would they suddenly upgrade their workforce to full time? Except now they won't be able to blame it on the ACA for hurting their bottom line.

Maybe we are thinking about different jobs, but I'm referring to places like retail and fast food, not office jobs which I'm unfamiliar with.

So question.

Why does the top 0.1% of income earners need tax cuts more than 23,000,000 Americans need health care?

And has the senate GOP forgotten that Trump said everyone would get covered?

There are ways to do this, more than one, some don't even use those two deadly words.

Both Germany and Japan achieve 100% coverage without single payer.

The real question is, if in order to cover those 23 million people, 50 million + people need to have premiums and deductibles so large that they do everything they can to avoid going to the doctor, are they really insured?

Go to Germany or Japan then.

Also sounds like you nominated yourself to write a health care bill. Go ahead I dare ya !

But we MUST protect the profits of the insurance and drug industries!

Really, check out how Germany does it. They have real insurance competition there. The the German insurance industry actually offers good deals. They have to to get those Euros.

I really want to look up Germany's healthcare system. I really do ! It sounds exciting. More exciting than a dirt bike.

Please while you have a captive audience go through every aspect of Germany's health system. Spare no details.

Because the US is paying for both nations national defence. Seriously imagine if the USA cut it's defense budget by 90%, which would give enough to protect just our borders. All that extra revenue would pay for free healthcare, free education, economic development and a tax cut.

Europe and Asia would both be *** through. Both China and Russia are fairly aggressive expansionist countries with large capable militaries. Honestly I say *** em, they want global equality and state controlled society then let them be equally poor and equally controlled. The USA should not be subsidizing other countries defense or social systems.

The problem with this is there is no open market. Here in my area of Central New York if you go on the exchange you only have 2 choices for insurance companies. Your telling me out of all the insurance companies in this state I can only choose from 2?

I make good money but for the family plan I have to pay $860 a month for the 3 of us and I have a $5,000 deductible. Easily verified by going to http://www.newyorkstateofhealth.com.

In retrospect my last employer insurance I had before this waste of a law called the ACA came along. I paid $450 a month for family coverage and only had a $250 deductible.

I go to the doctor like 6 times a year for appointments, my son and better half maybe 6 together. How in hells name am I ever going to go above my deductible unless god forbid I or one of my others are near death.

I am paying for some slob that made bad choices like everyday of burger king, or the chronic 2 pack a day for 30 year smoker. That to me is ***. I take care of myself and make good choices so I do not have to go to the dr all the time.

Call me cruel or whatever but your poor *** life choices are not my problem.

Why does the government need to be involved with health care to begin with ? Did anyone really ask for this... I didn't !

Why do libs get to *** about "killing people" when they support the abortion of hundreds of thousands of babies every year?

Are we human or are we dancers ?

It's more wealth redistribution. Middle class and upper middle class professionals get the ***taxed out of them to support the generational permanent welfare recipients. The goal is to create economic equality by forcing everyone to the same living standard.

So they introduce a terrible "health care" bill that Republicans immediately jump off of before they even read it, but they are still gonna vote on it next Thursday. McConnell setting himself up to fail all on his own.

Really it is terrible did you read it or did someone tell you that ?

Its not even in line with the Republican platform, they are eliminating the taxes on the wealthy (of course thats Republican) but they are keeping the entitlements. How is that even gonna work? Its no surprise the usual obstructionists have already jumped off.

I'm not surprised by anything that is why I'm here.

Let me ask you this then: What is more expensive for a company, one employee's health insurance or one employee's total yearly PTO (which includes sick and vacation)?

Remember, almost all companies pay more than the employee does in health insurance for that single employee. Thanks to Obamacare's 9.5% limit on the employee cost. Meaning, the average amount of insurance an employer pays per employee is roughly $450 per month, or roughly $5k per year, per employee. Multiply that by 50, and that's $250k minimum.

Oh, and just in case, that's 2015 numbers. Don't forget that with, even the most liberal "increase" of 5% (reality is closer to 25%) for 2016.

So, yeah, can you honestly say that the average employee takes $5k worth of vacation and sick time if they were full-time? Or would it be closer to $500?

Even then you are wrong. This is average throughout the nation, not industry specific.

Edit: FU Kojo

Edit2: FU me!

Why not ask your representative who would be receiving it? Or their donor to your representative's slush fund/campaign funds?

I'm guessing reading. Most likely from Infowars.

Congrats, you understand how insurance works.

Sure, if they have the same insurance carrier as Slore does.

However, if those two people got their insurance for free, because they decided that living off the government is better than working, do you still think that's right?

Because if they are both on the same insurance, Slore is getting hit twice, once for the taxes he pays to support those lazy ***, and again for insurance risk for being in the same general pool (aka in the same insurance company that supports those who make bad choices like that).

Again, do you think that's still right?

At least with Medicaid, they get the subpar care they deserve.

Too bad the disabled also gets the same subpar care, now with waiting lines that may result in their death!

So, yay for socialized medicine!

It's really useful to think of the poor as subhuman in these scenarios, yes?

Unless Slore is raking in >$250k a year, he isn't subsidizing anyone's insurance.