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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-14 22:06:19  
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Except, you know, for the aggregate which shows his approval ratings as Dying over the last 2 days.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Holy crap, you're serious aren't you? Do you.... Do you even fathom the concept of statistical variations in trend data?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-14 22:24:28  
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Big headline over nothing and him actually paying normal taxes is going to give him some good press. Why is it so hard to just release everything.
Because we would then/ know just how much he is hock to Russian banks for.
 
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By Viciouss 2017-03-14 22:34:43  
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Except, you know, for the aggregate which shows his approval ratings as Dying over the last 2 days.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Holy crap, you're serious aren't you? Do you.... Do you even fathom the concept of statistical variations in trend data?

You are trying pretty hard to save Trump's pathetic numbers, I mean, its is well known fact we have never had a POTUS this unpopular this early. Some Presidents never fell this far. I made a simple, accurate observation that his numbers are in freefall to start the week, and you rush to his defense..after proving me right. I'm sure you and KN will come up with all kinds of excuses for him, but unless he and his staff stop lying to us on a daily basis, I wouldn't expect a "rebound" anytime soon. Especially as long as they try to keep this bad healthcare bill alive (despite it already being in the grave).
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-03-14 22:47:57  
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Except, you know, for the aggregate which shows his approval ratings as Dying over the last 2 days.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
OMGWTF!

Let's impeach him! He has 2 days of bad polling! It must be a sign from heaven and not skewed polling data that's generally located in coastal cities because if any pollster got out of his front door, besides burning in the sunlight, he would understand that not everyone is like him or enjoys his little bubble, nope, not at all!

Didn't you get the memo, only properly educated progressive liberals opinions count, why even bother asking anyone else. We should just hold the next election in California only, would save a ton of money along with generating more consistency in the election process.

Seriously though, look at the voting totals and then look at the California results, pretty much spells out where the "popular" vote is coming from. California voted for Hillary, everyone else voted for Trump.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-14 23:07:12  
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freefall

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 06:12:49  
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Big headline over nothing and him actually paying normal taxes is going to give him some good press. Why is it so hard to just release everything.
Because we would then/ know just how much he is hock to Russian banks for.
A) Seriously. Do you not even know tax law? Where on the 1040 or any of the forms associated with it does it say to state who you owe money to? Even mortgage interest doesn't require you to report the bank you owe the money to.

Unless...you are saying that he is in the hock to Russian banks over mortgage loans.....

B) The only required reporting of any foreign banks is on the FBAR form, but that's to show how much money you have in those foreign banks. And, I hate to break it to you, is neither public information nor released to any entities, foreign or domestic, for any affairs.

So, basically, there is nothing on his tax returns that will show if he has any money received from foreign entities other than the FBAR, and even then, international tax law and international banking law gives the IRS the opportunity to ask those banks what his greatest, one day balance for the tax year is. Just to match up what he reported on the FBAR.

You are chasing a phantom.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-03-15 06:48:05  
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Seriously. Do you not even know tax law?

Why would they, not like they earn money or have a real job.

Another interesting voting demographic split between Hillary and Trump.
So despite holding more "education" Hillary voters made less money then their less "educated" deplorable, racist, sexist rivals.
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By fonewear 2017-03-15 07:47:10  
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hmmmmm

I was expecting Rachel Maddow to admit she is the most hateful person in the world !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 09:22:39  
More evidence of the MSM having no idea in what they are writing

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There’s a big story in the tax returns that President Trump claims he cannot release because of what he describes as a routine audit. The big story is not the true size of his wealth, but about how Congress has turned the income tax into a source of massive wealth for many of the richest Americans, including Trump.

That may seem hard to believe because the income tax burdens most of us. But the riches to be mined from the tax code are well known to America’s top tax lawyers and their clients.

Since 1986, Congress has accomplished what medieval alchemists and Sir Isaac Newton could not in their quest for a philosophers' stone that they believed would transform lead into gold. Our lawmakers have magically transformed income taxes into a source of wealth for many in the donor class by adding just a few lines to the nearly 6,500-page Internal Revenue Code.

(1)It's all about tax rules that require you to depreciate, or reduce, the value of buildings over time, even if the market value of the structures is going up. If your depreciation is greater than your traditional income from work and businesses, Congress lets you report negative income. If these paper losses are just a dollar more than traditional income, it wipes out your income taxes for the year.

If Trump's returns show he has paid no income taxes in some years, that could be a reason he has not yet released details.

(2)Congress says most Americans can deduct no more than $25,000 of real estate depreciation against their income. But if you work two days a week managing real estate and own enough that the depreciation exceeds your salary and other income, Congress lets you live income-tax-free. And for as long as you keep buying buildings and depreciating them, the tax does not come due.

A decade after Trump graduated from college, he enjoyed a luxurious bachelor lifestyle in Manhattan while paying no income taxes. Depreciation on his buildings let him tell the IRS that his 1978 income was negative by $406,379. The next year, it was negative $3.4 million, according to documents I found in casino regulatory files.

(3)To understand how reporting a negative income can be profitable, take a look at your pay stub. If Congress gave you a deal similar to Trump’s, instead of the government deducting taxes from your paycheck, you would keep that money — like an interest-free loan — and could use it to make more money.

Invest that money at 5% and then pay the tax 20 years later. For each dollar of tax, you'd pocket $1.65. Net 10%, and you’d pocket $5.73 for each tax dollar you didn’t pay.

Trump in 2011 claimed that NBC paid him $65 million a year for The Apprentice, a figure the network called “grossly inaccurate.” Let’s go with Trump’s number and assume he reports a negative income that year through the magic of depreciation. The federal income tax escaped on his Apprentice haul would be almost $23 million. Trump claims he is a world-class investor, so assume he earns 10% interest on it. After 20 years, that $23 million tax burden would be transformed into a $130 million net gain.

About 2.1 million taxpayers report negative incomes annually, IRS data show. The IRS knows, but won’t say, how many of those are failed small business owners and how many are rich landlords like Trump. Congress has not asked.

That is not the only way the super rich are allowed to defer income taxes and profit from the money until it’s due. (4)Another rule lets managers of private equity and hedge funds defer taxes on unlimited amounts for as long as they choose. (5)And still another allows executives delay until retirement much more of their income taxes than ordinary people.

The big story in Trump’s tax returns is that Congress has created two income tax systems, separate and unequal. One system burdens most Americans. The other enriches the donor class.

An audit is no reason for Trump to withhold his tax returns. Releasing them does not affect the IRS, and the agency has already said nothing prevents individuals from sharing their own tax information. Moreover, Trump has no excuse for holding back tax returns from years no longer under audit.

It has been traditional for many years for presidents and candidates to release their tax returns. As of Sunday, of the two Democrats and four Republicans still in the presidential race, Trump was the only holdout.

Trump promotes himself as a champion of people whom he says Washington politicians and the donor class ignore. He could bolster that position by revealing his tax returns so we can determine how much of his wealth comes from his business acumen and how much from congressional tax favors.

Here's what I'm talking about:

Bolded (1): Yes, you are required to depreciate the buildings over time, but guess what? When you sell those buildings in future years (or die, and leave it to your estate), you have ordinary income on the amount you depreciated. Not capital income, like investments would be, but ordinary. Which means that if you have a $1,000,000 building depreciated for $1,000,000 and sold for $3,000,000, then you have ordinary income of $1,000,000 and capital income of $2,000,000. Unlike the article alludes you to believe.

Bolded (2): Actually, it wasn't Congress who determined that, it was the Supreme Court. Hell, they even codified passive activity rules. Congress had little to no say in this.

Bolded (3): Yeah, cause only the federal government is supposed to collect interest free loans from people! But if you owe taxes and not pay by April 15th, you owe the government interest, plus penalties on top of that (for not giving the government an interest free loan).

Bolded (4): That is a bold-faced lie. You can only defer taxes IF you do not sell the property. But even then, any income you receive is still taxed, either as capital (as qualified dividends only) or ordinary. And when you sell it? All ordinary (hedge fund managers play by different rules from regular investors, but they pay ordinary income tax like everyone else).

Bolded (5): Another bold-faced lie. Those executives pay income taxes on all income, including vested and unvested stock options, in the year they receive them. And guess what? It's all ordinary income.

There is so much wrong with this article. No wonder this is now considered facts I don't like.
 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 09:42:24  
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Big headline over nothing and him actually paying normal taxes is going to give him some good press. Why is it so hard to just release everything.
Because we would then/ know just how much he is hock to Russian banks for.
A) Seriously. Do you not even know tax law?
Why would they, not like they earn money or have a real job.
I would hate it too if I had to play Hawkeye.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 09:47:08  
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yeah it must be terrible having 35 million dollars, you make good points.
Context!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-03-15 09:50:57  
Idk why people put faith in polling anymore after the last election...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 09:52:41  
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There is so much wrong with this article. No wonder this is now considered facts I don't like.

Its not even considered news, its an opinion ... You know the big bolded word at the beginning of the article ...
Wait, are you saying he isn't part of the MSM? You know, the guy who revealed Trump's tax return yesterday.

You know, the so-called "gatekeepers of the happenings of the world" who are supposed to report the news? I mean, if they can't even get extremely simple tax code correct, what makes you think they can get anything else right?

All it would take is a little research, hell, even asking a CPA before publishing their opinion would make them look less like a jackass.

This is spreading false information. And you are accepting that because you don't know better, but have a blind trust in somebody who is, frankly, a complete idiot. And proven to be a complete idiot.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-15 09:55:50  
Turns out trump pays a bigger percentage of his income in taxes than most democrat politicians.

I guess he's the new liberal poster boy for proper tax policy. It sure is fun watching libs twist themselves out of these knots.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-15 09:57:16  
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Idk why people put faith in polling anymore after the last election...

Well cmon, you think the libs are gonna empty their wallets if they think they don't have a chance?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-03-15 10:07:27  
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Idk why people put faith in polling anymore after the last election...

Well cmon, you think the libs are gonna empty their wallets if they think they don't have a chance?
I think this is a pretty ignorant statement... nothing new though..
 
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By Viciouss 2017-03-15 10:09:02  
Still funny to see Saudi Arabia omitted from the travel ban. Also one year of tax returns doesn't mean anything, its just a distraction that the Dems aren't falling for. Funny how you guys want to focus on that and not the failing agenda.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 10:14:27  
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Couldn't help but think of trump when I read this.
Thank goodness we have a Constitution that limits the President and holds him accountable. Even though nobody paid much attention to it during the last presidency, you better believe that everyone is paying attention to it now. At least, until another liberal/democrat gets into the WH.

Josiahkf said: »
you're absolutely right here, but careful with being an accountant yourself and the mindset you're conveying here; It's a common cognitive bias pairing of a corollary of the Dunning–Kruger effect and the Curse Of Knowledge.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-15 10:16:08  
Keep twisting Vic!

That's exactly what I was talking about!
 
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