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 Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 06:43:57
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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The matter at hand is IF he did them for political reasons. Which will literally remove watergate from the lexicon forever replacing it with obamagate.

Weird cause Nixon was up for reelection while Obama was not. So motivation is going to be interesting to prove.

We got hours of footage of Trump publicly fellating Putin and Russia at his rallies even asking Russian hackers to hack the DNC and Hillary.

Very easy to establish a connection and motivation for collusion between Trump and Russia just off his own words.

Does the same exist with respect to Obama and Clinton to establish a connection and motivation for this allegation?
All this is horseshit.

You have Trump making a joke about Hillary's emails. They rest is conjecture and speculation. Bad connect and speculation.

If it was anything something would have happened before trump took office.
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By fonewear 2017-03-07 06:47:45
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I trust Russia more than I trust 99% of Democrats...so what's the problem again with Russia ? They are evil...that is bad why ?
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By fonewear 2017-03-07 06:49:04
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We got a bunch of fake politicians like Chuck Schumer and you think Russia is a problem yea ok !
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-07 07:01:02
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If it was anything something would have happened before trump took office.

So you are saying you agree Trump is making this up to distract from Sessions recusal and possibly Alex Oronov's mysterious death last Thursday.
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By Zerowone 2017-03-07 07:02:34
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We got a bunch of fake politicians like Chuck Schumer and you think Russia is a problem yea ok !

You just don't like him because he's Amy Schumer's Uncle and that she turned you down.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 08:40:40
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In what universe does a FISA warrant for serveilance not illustrate surveillance?

In order to execute that warrant they had to have monitored parts of his campaign.
In order for the FISA warrant to be granted, the Secret Court would need probable cause that Trump or someone working with him was acting as an agent of a foreign power.
FISA warrants are almost never denied.

The fact that Obamas first warrant was denied gives more weight to the idea that Obama was abusing his powers than the fact that the second one went through indicates trump was up to no good.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-07 08:44:41
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Making stuff up again nausi? Do you get sent daily updates on what FISA rejects? You have nothing to support this conspiracy theory.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-07 08:46:31
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Will be interesting to see what turns up from the Wikileaks's dump of CIA documents.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 08:47:09
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If it was anything something would have happened before trump took office.

So you are saying you agree Trump is making this up to distract from Sessions recusal and possibly Alex Oronov's mysterious death last Thursday.

Quite the opposite Obamas deep state is making up the Russian thing because they can't cope with the fact that they lost power.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 08:48:43
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http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06/fisa-court-nsa-spying-opinion-reject-request
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 08:49:15
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First one that came up in a google search
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-07 08:50:37
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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If it was anything something would have happened before trump took office.

So you are saying you agree Trump is making this up to distract from Sessions recusal and possibly Alex Oronov's mysterious death last Thursday.

Quite the opposite Obamas deep state is making up the Russian thing because they can't cope with the fact that they lost power.

They didn't lose power the "deep state" is a constant mechanism that operates outside of partisan lines. This narrative would make sense if this was 2012-13 and Trump defeated Obama in his run for a second term
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By Viciouss 2017-03-07 08:52:51
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Oh a mother jones blog, but hey, at least it points out the office of the President has nothing to do with FISA, but I'm sure nausi will continue to blindly talk about Obama, even though he has debunked himself several times now.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-07 08:56:17
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The reason so many orders are approved, he said, is that the Justice Department office that manages the process vets the applications rigorously... [S]o getting the order approved by the Justice Department lawyers is perhaps the biggest hurdle to approval. "The culture of that office is very reluctant to get a denial," he [told the Journal].

Further proof that the Trump team was misbehaving, according to nausi's blog.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-07 08:59:04
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Here's an article from 2013 that corroborates Snowdens revelation that the NSA is wiretapping everybody thus proof Obama was wiretapping Trump.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 08:59:05
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Viciouss said: »
Oh a mother jones blog, but hey, at least it points out the office of the President has nothing to do with FISA, but I'm sure nausi will continue to blindly talk about Obama, even though he has debunked himself several times now.
You forgot to acknowledge you were wrong before you pivoted to a new subject.

Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
They didn't lose power the "deep state" is a constant mechanism that operates outside of partisan lines.
Filled with unelected beauracrates that are hired by the hyper partisans appointees of Clinton and Obama? Please tell me you're not really THAT naive.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-07 09:03:20
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Oh a mother jones blog, but hey, at least it points out the office of the President has nothing to do with FISA, but I'm sure nausi will continue to blindly talk about Obama, even though he has debunked himself several times now.
You forgot to acknowledge you were wrong before you pivoted to a new subject.

Because I'm not wrong, you posted a 4 year old blog from a blog site that does more damage to your conspiracy theory. Tell me nausi, how many warrants have been rejected since the new legislation passed in 2015?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 09:05:04
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Here's another daily reminder that Obamas administration did conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign.

Here's two more facts

1) The information that ultimately lead to Flynn's removal came from a transcripts phone call. Someone had to order that phone to be tapped, and someone had to leak that information contained within that call.

2) Before he left office Obama eased the rules on intellegence sharing between all the agencies.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-07 09:08:55
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I'm guessing that nausi just watched Hannity. Also I fail to see how #2 has any impact on this conspiracy theory.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-07 09:11:04
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Filled with unelected beauracrates that are hired by the hyper partisans appointees of Clinton and Obama? Please tell me you're not really THAT naive.


Have you ever looked up the Republican affiliated FBI Director James Comey's resume?

Cause he does not fit the bill you're presenting and he says Trump is speaking falsehoods.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-07 09:11:15
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Also I fail to see how #2 has any impact on this conspiracy theory.

Take the blinders off and maybe you'll understand how a vast increase in intelligence sharing just before you leave office could create an environment where leaks are much harder to find and stop.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-07 09:12:49
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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Filled with unelected beauracrates that are hired by the hyper partisans appointees of Clinton and Obama? Please tell me you're not really THAT naive.


Have you ever looked up the Republican affiliated FBI Director James Comey's resume?

Cause he does not fit the bill you're presenting and he says Trump is speaking falsehoods.

Comey's an idiot. He has no idea what he's doing, and there's a reason why both sides now mostly hate him.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 09:13:21
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It doesn't matter Vic, unless you can show that they are more often denied than approved (which you can't). You can't argue that Trump musta been doing something wrong if pretty much anyone can get a FISA warrant.

I mean you'll try and argue it anyways but at the peril of your own argument.

And just so everyone knows ALL of the FISA warrants in 2015 were approved!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 09:13:59
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I'm guessing that nausi just watched Hannity. Also I fail to see how #2 has any impact on this conspiracy theory.
You fail to see something?

I am shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 09:15:01
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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Filled with unelected beauracrates that are hired by the hyper partisans appointees of Clinton and Obama? Please tell me you're not really THAT naive.


Have you ever looked up the Republican affiliated FBI Director James Comey's resume?

Cause he does not fit the bill you're presenting and he says Trump is speaking falsehoods.

He REPORTEDLY says that.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-07 09:17:43
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Filled with unelected beauracrates that are hired by the hyper partisans appointees of Clinton and Obama? Please tell me you're not really THAT naive.


Have you ever looked up the Republican affiliated FBI Director James Comey's resume?

Cause he does not fit the bill you're presenting and he says Trump is speaking falsehoods.

Comey's an idiot. He has no idea what he's doing, and there's a reason why both sides now mostly hate him.

Yeah ooooooook buddy.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-07 09:18:35
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Also I fail to see how #2 has any impact on this conspiracy theory.

Take the blinders off and maybe you'll understand how a vast increase in intelligence sharing just before you leave office could create an environment where leaks are much harder to find and stop.

It doesn't lead any credence to nausi's lie that Obama "spied" on Trump, which he has gone out of his way to debunk all on his own. Thanks to nausi, we know in fact that Obama did not have any role in the ongoing FBI investigation. Although he would have us believe that Obama is still leading it.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-07 09:26:50
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Also I fail to see how #2 has any impact on this conspiracy theory.

Take the blinders off and maybe you'll understand how a vast increase in intelligence sharing just before you leave office could create an environment where leaks are much harder to find and stop.

It doesn't lead any credence to nausi's lie that Obama "spied" on Trump, which he has gone out of his way to debunk all on his own. Thanks to nausi, we know in fact that Obama did not have any role in the ongoing FBI investigation. Although he would have us believe that Obama is still leading it.

I lost track of what the point of your argument was long ago. Actually, I lost track of why this is even a newsworthy event long ago too. Trump will still be president because this is a fruitless witch hunt, and Obama won't be charged with anything and he can continue on his quest to remain relevant and preserve his already decaying legacy.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-07 09:40:03
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Vic would have everyone believe that unless Obama personally sat in on a tapped phone line then he could not ever be held accountable for any role in such activity.

This is false, but it won't stop him from saying it either.
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