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By fonewear 2017-02-02 17:31:01  
I feel guilty all the time that is why I drink to forget...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-02-02 17:31:01  
fonewear said: »
Trump doesn't drink...one of his superpowers !
According to NYTs, he drinks the blood of babies. Along with BatBoy.
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 17:31:49  
Actually Trump doesn't drink because his brother was an alcoholic.
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 17:32:30  
Hillary drinks because she is married to Bill.

Obama drinks because well *** it that's why !
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-02-02 17:33:52  
Shiva.Shruiken said: »
happy black history month
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happy black history month
Let's pull a Pence and praise Lincoln and totally miss the point and embarrass students of history in one tweet.
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 17:34:21  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Shiva.Shruiken said: »
happy black history month
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happy black history month
Let's pull a Pence and praise Lincoln and totally miss the point and embarrass students of history in one tweet.

He must have went to a public school !
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 17:36:44  
I thought the point of black history was to show the significant role minorities have in our country's history. And to learn from the past. But what do I know I'm just some guy with a keyboard.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-02 17:37:36  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
However, your "racism is a problem but let's minimize or dismiss its effects" accomplishes absolutely nothing other than highlight the disconnect between how the world works and how you think it should work.
Let me rephrase this into a much simpler term:

I NEVER SAID OR EVEN IMPLIED THAT.

I said that we should NOT PROMOTE, GLORIFY, OR CREATE FINANCIAL BENEFITS TOWARDS RACISM PERIOD. Look, I even said it very specifically, but you considered a common sense ideal as bigotry.

Now I'm starting to question if you understand what that word means. Like how you fail to understand the word "hypocrisy" and provide sooooooo many examples of such quite often.

He's baiting you to try to then report on your response. The Progressives need racial tension to justify their class warfare and identity politics. If we all identified as "American" then they couldn't divide everyone up and turn them against each other. The only way to defeat them is to remove the entire concept entirely from the equation.

I'm for completely removing gender and ethnicity from every application form in the USA. Colleges and work places will have zero knowledge of a person's race or gender until their either accepted or an in person interview happens. They could try to "guess" it with the name but that's easy to detect and will backfire on them super fast. But no Progressive would ever accept that even though it accomplishes their published goal. They need that racial focus, that easily stoked hatred to generate support and soldiers for their cause.
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 17:40:04  
Maybe someday we will stop being victims and learn to be victors. But that is being too hopeful.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-02-02 17:46:45  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
However, your "racism is a problem but let's minimize or dismiss its effects" accomplishes absolutely nothing other than highlight the disconnect between how the world works and how you think it should work.
Let me rephrase this into a much simpler term:

I NEVER SAID OR EVEN IMPLIED THAT.

I said that we should NOT PROMOTE, GLORIFY, OR CREATE FINANCIAL BENEFITS TOWARDS RACISM PERIOD. Look, I even said it very specifically, but you considered a common sense ideal as bigotry.

Now I'm starting to question if you understand what that word means. Like how you fail to understand the word "hypocrisy" and provide sooooooo many examples of such quite often.
I tried to explain privilege and you pulled the ol' " butI know successful minorities" schtick. It's a way to minimize the problem. This was before you brought up minority programs.
 
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By Anna Ruthven 2017-02-02 17:53:05  
Time and time again, I see this "I'm tired of explaining..." I don't know why, if you're tired of trying to explain something to someone then just stop. Walk away and take a breather. I learned a long time ago that you are never going to change someone's mind. There are many things people have to see for themselves to get it through their heads on both sides.

What it boils down to is opinion, There are facts, there are lies, there are news outlets that distort facts and lies and then there is how we interpret it; our opinions. Conservatives, you will NEVER convince Liberals of your ideals and Liberals, you will NEVER convince Conservatives of your ideals. It's two sides seeing the same things very differently and the idea that you are going to explain away bull-headed opinion is pretty much a pipe dream.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-02-02 17:55:46  
Anna Ruthven said: »
Conservatives, you will NEVER convince Liberals of your ideals and Liberals, you will NEVER convince Conservatives of your ideals. It's two sides seeing the same things very differently and the idea that you are going to explain away bull-headed opinion is pretty much a pipe dream.
You are correct that nobody's mind will be changed.

However, it's still good to express your opinion in the matter.

Sure, some people here are either obtuse, trolling, or both, but it still doesn't hurt sharing your own opinion and viewpoints here.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-02-02 18:02:09  
South Dakota Senate Repeals Voter-Backed Anti-Corruption Law
The vote occurred as protesters shouted “Shame!” and “Respect our votes!”


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WASHINGTON ― Amid protesters’ shouts of “Shame!” and “Respect our votes!” the South Dakota Senate voted Wednesday night to repeal an anti-corruption law that voters passed as an initiative on Nov. 8, 2016.

Gov. Dennis Daugaard (R) plans to sign the repeal bill as part of an emergency push by state Republicans to prevent the voter-approved ethics and campaign finance reform from going into effect.

The Republican-led state Senate voted to repeal the law by a 27-8 margin. Only two Republicans, state Sens. Lance Russell and Stace Nelson, voted with the chamber’s six Democrats to keep the law in place. The state House of Representatives previously voted to repeal the law by a 54-13 margin.

South Dakota voters approved the initiative last year with 52 percent support. This was the same electorate that gave Donald Trump 62 percent of the vote....

The law encompassed ethics, lobbying and campaign finance reforms, and would have done the following:

Limited legislative and executive branch officials to no more than $100 in lobbyist gifts per year. These gifts would also have to be disclosed. South Dakota is currently the only state where lobbyists are allowed to give unlimited, undisclosed gifts to elected politicians and other government officials.

Increased transparency requirements for campaign contributions and spending by all those outside groups empowered by the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision. All contributions of $500 or more would have to be reported within five days of their receipt. The government would have to make all campaign finance and lobbyist disclosures available online in an searchable electronic format.

Established an independent watchdog to oversee investigations into potential ethics and campaign finance violations committed by legislative and executive branch officials. Five individuals would sit on the watchdog commission, with no political party holding more than two seats.

Lowered campaign contribution limits for all electoral races, including a cap of $750 on combined contributions from a political action committee to an individual candidate. The other new limits would vary by political office sought. Despite what some Republican lawmakers have said, the law would place no limit on self-funding by candidates.

Banned certain high-level legislative and executive branch officials and staffers from taking jobs as lobbyists for two years after leaving office.

Created a voluntary system of publicly financed election campaigns with $4.7 million to $12 million in government funds. Citizens would receive two $50 credits to use as donations to participating candidates. Those candidates who chose to participate would have to agree to lower contribution and spending limits.

Increased the penalty for bribery by defining it as a felony....
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By Anna Ruthven 2017-02-02 18:05:15  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Conservatives, you will NEVER convince Liberals of your ideals and Liberals, you will NEVER convince Conservatives of your ideals. It's two sides seeing the same things very differently and the idea that you are going to explain away bull-headed opinion is pretty much a pipe dream.
You are correct that nobody's mind will be changed.

However, it's still good to express your opinion in the matter.

Sure, some people here are either obtuse, trolling, or both, but it still doesn't hurt sharing your own opinion and viewpoints here.
True but there's no point in attacking people over their opinions.

I disagree with a lot of my good friend on a lot of things, I don't insult them.
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 18:29:21  
Anna Ruthven said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Conservatives, you will NEVER convince Liberals of your ideals and Liberals, you will NEVER convince Conservatives of your ideals. It's two sides seeing the same things very differently and the idea that you are going to explain away bull-headed opinion is pretty much a pipe dream.
You are correct that nobody's mind will be changed.

However, it's still good to express your opinion in the matter.

Sure, some people here are either obtuse, trolling, or both, but it still doesn't hurt sharing your own opinion and viewpoints here.
True but there's no point in attacking people over their opinions.

I disagree with a lot of my good friend on a lot of things, I don't insult them.

What would CNN do without this though ?
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 18:32:31  
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By Anna Ruthven 2017-02-02 18:37:23  
fonewear said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Conservatives, you will NEVER convince Liberals of your ideals and Liberals, you will NEVER convince Conservatives of your ideals. It's two sides seeing the same things very differently and the idea that you are going to explain away bull-headed opinion is pretty much a pipe dream.
You are correct that nobody's mind will be changed.

However, it's still good to express your opinion in the matter.

Sure, some people here are either obtuse, trolling, or both, but it still doesn't hurt sharing your own opinion and viewpoints here.
True but there's no point in attacking people over their opinions.

I disagree with a lot of my good friend on a lot of things, I don't insult them.

What would CNN do without this though ?
Be C-Span? I dunno.
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 18:38:32  
Anna Ruthven said: »
fonewear said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Conservatives, you will NEVER convince Liberals of your ideals and Liberals, you will NEVER convince Conservatives of your ideals. It's two sides seeing the same things very differently and the idea that you are going to explain away bull-headed opinion is pretty much a pipe dream.
You are correct that nobody's mind will be changed.

However, it's still good to express your opinion in the matter.

Sure, some people here are either obtuse, trolling, or both, but it still doesn't hurt sharing your own opinion and viewpoints here.
True but there's no point in attacking people over their opinions.

I disagree with a lot of my good friend on a lot of things, I don't insult them.

What would CNN do without this though ?
Be C-Span? I dunno.

Opinions make money that is why they are important. No one cares about C Span or actual news.
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 18:39:06  
I'm guilty of it I rather hear people talk about things then to actually hear the news.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-02-02 18:43:44  
Asura.Saevel said: »
The Progressives need racial tension to justify their class warfare and identity politics

Stratification is the antithesis of the Progressive agenda.

What you say you are for in the 2nd half of your post is an actual component of the progressive agenda.

Ethnic stratification and Division is regressive.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-02-02 18:48:57  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
However, your "racism is a problem but let's minimize or dismiss its effects" accomplishes absolutely nothing other than highlight the disconnect between how the world works and how you think it should work.
Let me rephrase this into a much simpler term:

I NEVER SAID OR EVEN IMPLIED THAT.

I said that we should NOT PROMOTE, GLORIFY, OR CREATE FINANCIAL BENEFITS TOWARDS RACISM PERIOD. Look, I even said it very specifically, but you considered a common sense ideal as bigotry.

Now I'm starting to question if you understand what that word means. Like how you fail to understand the word "hypocrisy" and provide sooooooo many examples of such quite often.
I tried to explain privilege and you pulled the ol' " butI know successful minorities" schtick. It's a way to minimize the problem. This was before you brought up minority programs.

Because successful minorities are still subjected to prejudice and discrimination, outside of their occupational and social circles
, by ignorant people.
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 18:54:13  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
However, your "racism is a problem but let's minimize or dismiss its effects" accomplishes absolutely nothing other than highlight the disconnect between how the world works and how you think it should work.
Let me rephrase this into a much simpler term:

I NEVER SAID OR EVEN IMPLIED THAT.

I said that we should NOT PROMOTE, GLORIFY, OR CREATE FINANCIAL BENEFITS TOWARDS RACISM PERIOD. Look, I even said it very specifically, but you considered a common sense ideal as bigotry.

Now I'm starting to question if you understand what that word means. Like how you fail to understand the word "hypocrisy" and provide sooooooo many examples of such quite often.
I tried to explain privilege and you pulled the ol' " butI know successful minorities" schtick. It's a way to minimize the problem. This was before you brought up minority programs.

Because successful minorities are still subjected to prejudice and discrimination, outside of their occupational and social circles
, by ignorant people.

If they are ignorant how do they know they are ignorant ?
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 18:56:03  
Not to get philosophical but how can you punish people that have no self awareness ?
 
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-02-02 18:58:47  
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 19:00:23  
I'm not just bullshitting for once:

The phenomenon was first observed in a series of experiments by David Dunning and Justin Kruger of the department of psychology at Cornell University in 1999.[1][2] The study was inspired by the case of McArthur Wheeler, a man who robbed two banks after covering his face with lemon juice in the mistaken belief that, because lemon juice is usable as invisible ink, it would prevent his face from being recorded on surveillance cameras.[3] The authors noted that earlier studies suggested that ignorance of standards of performance lies behind a great deal of incorrect self-assessment of competence.

This pattern of over-estimating competence was seen in studies of skills as diverse as reading comprehension, practicing medicine, operating a motor vehicle, and playing games such as chess or tennis. Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:[4]

fail to recognize their own lack of skill
fail to recognize the extent of their inadequacy
fail to accurately gauge skill in others
recognize and acknowledge their own lack of skill only after they are exposed to training for that skill
Dunning has since drawn an analogy – "the anosognosia of everyday life"[5][6] – with a condition in which a person who experiences a physical disability because of brain injury seems unaware of, or denies the existence of, the disability, even for dramatic impairments such as blindness or paralysis: "If you're incompetent, you can't know you’re incompetent.… [T]he skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is."[5]
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 19:01:06  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
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