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 Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-02-02 12:00:55  
This type not trumps lol...
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-02-02 12:45:33  
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Global Progressive movement
I had a nice progressive movement this morning. The kind where you feel 5 pounds lighter afterwards. Not large enough to be global though.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-02-02 12:59:38  
Richard Spencer: calls for the "peaceful ethnic cleansing" of the United States, leads a Nazi salute in response to Trump's win, runs articles on his website entitled "Is Black Genocide Right?

me: hope he gets punched more

ffxiah: no! he has the right to talk hear him out you extremist >:(
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-02-02 13:06:47  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I'm a white male and Ive never been told or been made to feel as I'm inferior to anyone or that I'm supposed to carry anyone else through life like a mule...

What's funny to me is you guys say this kinda stuff but you all seem to be in comfortable positions in life with no real day to day worries about surviving or putting food on the table or keeping a roof over your head and food in your bellies... but somehow you feel like your discriminated against to the point it's damaging... then... even feeling the way you do you dismiss others feelings on the topic that they feel discriminated against in favor of your own viewpoint...

Ever see the show Black-ish? Where a rich doctor and ad executive complain about how hard it is to be black? I guess, according to you, you can be discriminated against if you're a minority and comfortable, but not if you're white and comfortable.
Never seen the show no and I never said or implied what you're asserting I did... the point I'm making is that for all the complaining that's being done about this you'd think there'd be some kind of negative effects on their lives... are they losing business? Are employment opportunities being taken away from them? Is there some kind of negative effect on their lives because of this supposed discrimination?

To me from everything they talk about, which I readily admit doesn't encompass the entirety of their experiences, seems more to do with they don't like being called names... you're not going to stop that any time soon but that's common among any person of any race can lot or creed... is there any negative effect on their life other than their feelings being hurt or just angry that they don't hear the things they want to?

most of the time when people are really being affected by it people doing aren't that overt anymore... I had an epl claim come in the other day where the company was found liable because they found emails where the head of hr stated to his employees that they weren't to hire any blacks women or Jews... I'm not saying this is the standard as it's just one example but this is the type of discrimination I'm talking about... ones that effect people's livelyhoods.... not people whining about being called racist...

This trumps of discrimination is not limited to minorities alone but it does disproportionately affect them...

Another thing I wonder about often enough is all these people claims my they've been called a racist... do they actually direct it towards you or do you take it personally as a general taunt towards conservatives or republicans? I've live my whole life as a white man and haven't ever been called a racist not have I been referred to as the things some of you claim you are... I'm not saying it doesn't happen but what am I doing differently..
Have you ever been told you're privileged? That's someone telling you you're opinion doesn't count (probably because you're either white, male, or hetero.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-02-02 13:08:15  
Shiva.Shruiken said: »
Richard Spencer: calls for the "peaceful ethnic cleansing" of the United States, leads a Nazi salute in response to Trump's win, runs articles on his website entitled "Is Black Genocide Right?

me: hope he gets punched more

ffxiah: no! he has the right to talk hear him out you extremist >:(

If you can't defend his right to say what he wants then you're the just as dangerous as he is.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-02-02 13:08:19  
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By Bahamut.Kara 2017-02-02 13:09:09  
Shiva.Shruiken said: »
Richard Spencer: calls for the "peaceful ethnic cleansing" of the United States, leads a Nazi salute in response to Trump's win, runs articles on his website entitled "Is Black Genocide Right?

me: hope he gets punched more

ffxiah: no! he has the right to talk hear him out you extremist >:(
He has the right to talk.

You have the right to refute his statements. You don't have the right to hit him.

If you (or others) want to hit him then you get to deal with the responsibility of your actions: civil suit, prosecution, etc.

Westborough Baptist Church are asshats who say horrible crap at gay soldiers funerals, they also have the right to say that. And if they get punched they have the right to sue and they have utilized that right heavily in getting large payoffs.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-02-02 13:09:55  
(that's a rare pepe too save it for your collections!!!)
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
If you can't defend his right to say what he wants then you're the just as dangerous as he is.

I won't defend someone who doesn't even respect my right to exist!! Sorry!! :\
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2017-02-02 13:15:58  
So...

Russia broke the ceasefire in Ukraine. And now Trump is in a quite uncomfortable position: he just said he wanted to lift sanctions, but these actions instead call for more of those.

Do you think Putin is testing him?
And most importantly: what happens if he sticks with the stance of no sanctions?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-02-02 13:19:12  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Have you ever been told you're privileged? That's someone telling you you're opinion doesn't count (probably because you're either white, male, or hetero.
That's someone telling you to change your perspective.
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By Viciouss 2017-02-02 13:22:42  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
So...

Russia broke the ceasefire in Ukraine. And now Trump is in a quite uncomfortable position: he just said he wanted to lift sanctions, but these actions instead call for more of those.

Do you think Putin is testing him?
And most importantly: what happens if he sticks with the stance of no sanctions?

Congress will step in. Honestly just look to Congress for leadership when it comes to foreign policy. Trump is completely lost.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2017-02-02 13:40:50  
Viciouss said: »
Honestly just look to Congress for leadership when it comes to foreign policy
Idk man, after he basically told the australian pm that he sucks on the phone and cut the call I get a little worried to how he's going to deal with less friendly people.
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By Odin.Slore 2017-02-02 13:41:37  
Shiva.Shruiken said: »

It is all going to boil down to one of these dumbasses attacking a concealed carrier and ending up dead. I tell you what attack me on the street and see what happens. Better kill me cause if I get my gun out your gonna have a bad day.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-02-02 13:43:44  
Shiva.Shruiken said: »
I won't defend someone who doesn't even respect my right to exist!! Sorry!! :\

And you wonder why some people are so cautious about letting in Islamist Extremists.

Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Another thing I wonder about often enough is all these people claims my they've been called a racist... do they actually direct it towards you or do you take it personally as a general taunt towards conservatives or republicans? I've live my whole life as a white man and haven't ever been called a racist not have I been referred to as the things some of you claim you are... I'm not saying it doesn't happen but what am I doing differently..

Nope, I've never been called racist directly. Just the same old putting everyone into the same box kind of insults.

Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Have you ever been told you're privileged? That's someone telling you you're opinion doesn't count (probably because you're either white, male, or hetero.
That's someone telling you to change your perspective.

More often than not, it's someone telling you to adopt their perspective. Looking at the people who actually use the term "white privilege" on a regular basis, that is not a wise decision.
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By Anna Ruthven 2017-02-02 13:51:22  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Viciouss said: »
Honestly just look to Congress for leadership when it comes to foreign policy
Idk man, after he basically told the australian pm that he sucks on the phone and cut the call I get a little worried to how he's going to deal with less friendly people.
Grab 'em by the...
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-02-02 13:54:23  
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It is all going to boil down to one of these dumbasses attacking a concealed carrier and ending up dead. I tell you what attack me on the street and see what happens. Better kill me cause if I get my gun out your gonna have a bad day.

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By Ramyrez 2017-02-02 14:00:10  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Have you ever been told you're privileged? That's someone telling you you're opinion doesn't count (probably because you're either white, male, or hetero.

No. That's not what it means at all.

That's you playing a victim.
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By Ramyrez 2017-02-02 14:01:53  
Odin.Slore said: »
It is all going to boil down to one of these dumbasses attacking a concealed carrier and ending up dead. I tell you what attack me on the street and see what happens. Better kill me cause if I get my gun out your gonna have a bad day.

So you're saying you're a gun-toting Nazi?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-02-02 14:04:52  
Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Have you ever been told you're privileged? That's someone telling you you're opinion doesn't count (probably because you're either white, male, or hetero.

No. That's not what it means at all.

That's you playing a victim.
When it comes up in political discussion in place of an argument, it sure does.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-02-02 14:06:15  
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Have you ever been told you're privileged? That's someone telling you you're opinion doesn't count (probably because you're either white, male, or hetero.

No. That's not what it means at all.

That's you playing a victim.

?

The term itself is derived from a feeling of victimization. You can't use it without establishing a victim class. Feeling victimized when it is used against you is simply matching the mood.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-02-02 14:06:54  
For anyone that says punching a Nazi doesn't work

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Mr. Spencer said he was worried about being attacked again.

“I don’t think I could go out to an inauguration event without bodyguards or a protest or a conference,” he said. “I am more worried about going out to dinner on an average Tuesday because these kind of people are roaming around.”

On Periscope, Mr. Spencer also expressed concern about the spread of the footage of the attack online.

“I’m afraid this is going to become the meme to end all memes,” he said. “That I’m going to hate watching this.”

It does.

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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-02-02 14:08:27  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
So...

Russia broke the ceasefire in Ukraine. And now Trump is in a quite uncomfortable position: he just said he wanted to lift sanctions, but these actions instead call for more of those.

Do you think Putin is testing him?
And most importantly: what happens if he sticks with the stance of no sanctions?
As is testing the strings on his puppet? Yep.

He is not going to get any sanction lifting through congress. Way too many, on both sides of the aisle, of any ideology whatsoever, are staunchly anti Russia.

Personally I wonder how many noticed that its no longer the USSR.
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 14:13:19  
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Interesting thing we learned yesterday Frederick Douglas is alive and well if you ask Donald Trump or Sean Spicer.

To be fair I never heard of Frederick Douglas either !
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 14:14:01  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I'm a white male and Ive never been told or been made to feel as I'm inferior to anyone or that I'm supposed to carry anyone else through life like a mule...

What's funny to me is you guys say this kinda stuff but you all seem to be in comfortable positions in life with no real day to day worries about surviving or putting food on the table or keeping a roof over your head and food in your bellies... but somehow you feel like your discriminated against to the point it's damaging... then... even feeling the way you do you dismiss others feelings on the topic that they feel discriminated against in favor of your own viewpoint...

Have you received our membership card ?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2017-02-02 14:14:24  
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I tell you what

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By fonewear 2017-02-02 14:17:46  
Also I find the term male offensive I prefer oppressor of women !
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-02-02 14:19:52  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I'm a white male and Ive never been told or been made to feel as I'm inferior to anyone or that I'm supposed to carry anyone else through life like a mule...

What's funny to me is you guys say this kinda stuff but you all seem to be in comfortable positions in life with no real day to day worries about surviving or putting food on the table or keeping a roof over your head and food in your bellies... but somehow you feel like your discriminated against to the point it's damaging... then... even feeling the way you do you dismiss others feelings on the topic that they feel discriminated against in favor of your own viewpoint...

Ever see the show Black-ish? Where a rich doctor and ad executive complain about how hard it is to be black? I guess, according to you, you can be discriminated against if you're a minority and comfortable, but not if you're white and comfortable.
Never seen the show no and I never said or implied what you're asserting I did... the point I'm making is that for all the complaining that's being done about this you'd think there'd be some kind of negative effects on their lives... are they losing business? Are employment opportunities being taken away from them? Is there some kind of negative effect on their lives because of this supposed discrimination?

To me from everything they talk about, which I readily admit doesn't encompass the entirety of their experiences, seems more to do with they don't like being called names... you're not going to stop that any time soon but that's common among any person of any race can lot or creed... is there any negative effect on their life other than their feelings being hurt or just angry that they don't hear the things they want to?

most of the time when people are really being affected by it people doing aren't that overt anymore... I had an epl claim come in the other day where the company was found liable because they found emails where the head of hr stated to his employees that they weren't to hire any blacks women or Jews... I'm not saying this is the standard as it's just one example but this is the type of discrimination I'm talking about... ones that effect people's livelyhoods.... not people whining about being called racist...

This trumps of discrimination is not limited to minorities alone but it does disproportionately affect them...

Another thing I wonder about often enough is all these people claims my they've been called a racist... do they actually direct it towards you or do you take it personally as a general taunt towards conservatives or republicans? I've live my whole life as a white man and haven't ever been called a racist not have I been referred to as the things some of you claim you are... I'm not saying it doesn't happen but what am I doing differently..
Have you ever been told you're privileged? That's someone telling you you're opinion doesn't count (probably because you're either white, male, or hetero.
I've never personally been told I'm privileged by anyone else... this is only through my personal experience... I do however feel I am privileged... I do think my life here in America is a bit easier than minorities just because I am a white male and based on experiences I've had... does that mean everything was easy or handed to me? No... I'd just rather work for a platform where everyone starts on the same level and I don't think we have that here today...
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By fonewear 2017-02-02 14:20:25  
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
Odin.Slore said: »
I tell you what

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By fonewear 2017-02-02 14:21:11  
I'm pretty sure we could have an entire conversation with Hank Hillisms !
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