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 Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-01-30 23:00:46  
Shiva.Shruiken said: »
The AG's obligation is to the law, not Trump's agenda. She was fired for dissent and for doing her job, not insubordination.

This sets a nasty precedent.

Actually....

The AG is the primary prosecutor for the executive branch and works for the President at the behest of the Justice Department. This person is a political appointee and not a federal worker, huge difference there. She was an Obama appointee, which means she was appointed by the same liberal leaders who directed Obama what to support as President. She was going out regardless so this is her departing shot.

In any case the AG has jack ***for obligation to anyone except the executive entity who appointed them. It's a political position nothing more. I expect many such events happening over the next three to four months as all the Obama appointee's either jump ship or make a political statement, before their replaced.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-01-30 23:02:24  
Guys it's so simple, if they support the global progressive movement then they are the good guys and we should applaud them. If they don't support that same agenda then they are evil villains and can do no right.

Haven't any of you played video games before!
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By Viciouss 2017-01-30 23:08:05  
/snooze
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-01-30 23:08:27  
Where does a mansplainer get his water?

From a well, actually...
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-01-30 23:18:47  
I learn so much about this global progressive movement I supposedly believe in from these boards.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2017-01-31 00:55:22  
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Here’s Sally Yates at her confirmation hearing in 2015 for her then role as deputy attorney general.

She’s asked by Jeff Sessions – yes, that Jeff Sessions, who is now Trump’s nominee for attorney general – whether she could say no to a president who wanted to do something unlawful.

Here’s part of the exchange:
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Sessions: Do you think the attorney general has a responsibility to say no to the president if he asks for something that’s improper? … If the views the president wants to execute are unlawful, should the attorney general or the deputy attorney general say no?

Yates: Senator, I believe the attorney general or the deputy attorney general has an obligation to follow the law and the constitution, and to give their independent legal advice to the president.

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By Bahamut.Kara 2017-01-31 01:03:16  
Meh, here is link
https://mobile.twitter.com/yottapoint/status/826289013891821568/video/1
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2017-01-31 01:55:19  
Asura.Saevel said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
To promote free-thinking, join the collective! Wait what....


Welcome to Progressive thinking, formerly known as Communism. The only thing that matters is the group, individual desires are irrelevant if the corrupt leaders the group deems otherwise. You will serve the corrupt leaders the group and do as your instructed with politically acceptable ideas and speech. The further one goes down that mentality the scarier it gets.
For someone who constantly accuses others of not listening to what people think you sure are a prime example of not listening. Stop putting fingers in your ears repeating this crap like a parrot.

Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Look, my intent wasn't to rag on you earlier. I get where you're coming from, but it all sounds a little too idealistic for the pragmatist in me, particularly the bolded part. Every nation acts in its own self-interest, and most aren't even good at that. That isn't changing anytime soon, and while unity is obviously worth fighting for it's naive to role-play as if it has already happened. If you can't get your own people to be happy and sing Kumbaya with each other, you're going to have problems convincing other countries to.
I do not accept the widespread defeatism though. "But nobody is going to follow" is not an excuse for me to give up trying to make the world a better place. Politics is a battleground, nothing comes easy. Just cause something is hard it's not a reason to not strive for it, we should all desire and contribute to a cleaner and safer world everyday of our lives.
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By Seha 2017-01-31 02:22:48  
Btw and this is specifically for Nausi: the terrorist in Canada was a Trump supporter.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2017-01-31 02:31:21  
Seha said: »
Btw and this is specifically for Nausi: the terrorist in Canada was a Trump supporter.

It seems some news outlets in the US jumped on idea that he was a terrorist Muslim rather than a terrorist attacking Muslims.
Suspect in Quebec Mosque Attack Quickly Depicted as a Moroccan Muslim. He’s a White Nationalist.
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A MASS SHOOTING at a Quebec City mosque last night left six people dead and eight wounded. The targeted mosque, the Cultural Islamic Center of Quebec, was the same one at which a severed pig’s head was left during Ramadan last June. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called the episode a “terrorist attack on Muslims.”

Almost immediately, various news outlets and political figures depicted the shooter as Muslim. Right-wing nationalist tabloids in the UK instantly linked it to Islamic violence. Fox News claimed that “witnesses said at least one gunman shouted ‘Allahu akbar!’,”

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White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer exploited the attack to justify President Trump’s ban on immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries. “It’s a terrible reminder of why we must remain vigilant and why the President is taking steps to be proactive rather than reactive when it comes to our nation’s safety and security,” Spicer said at this afternoon’s briefing when speaking of the Quebec City attack.

But these assertions are utterly false. The suspect is neither Moroccan nor Muslim. The Moroccan individual, Mohamed Belkhadir, was actually one of the worshippers at the mosque and called 911 to summon the police, and played no role whatsoever in the shooting.

The actual shooting suspect is 27-year-old Alexandre Bissonnette, a white French Canadian who is, by all appearances, a rabid anti-immigrant nationalist. A leader of a local immigration rights groups, François Deschamps, told a local paper he recognized his photo as an anti-immigrant far-right “troll” who has been hostile to the group online.

The Globe and Mail added that he “was known in the city’s activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.” And Bisonnette’s Facebook page – now taken down but still archived – lists among its “likes” the far right French nationalist Marine Le Pen, Islam critics Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the Israeli Defense Forces, and Donald J. Trump (he also “likes” the liberal Canadian Party NDP along with more neutral “likes” such as Tom Hanks, the Sopranos and Katy Perry).

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-01-31 06:42:45  
Bahamut.Dannyl said: »
in·sub·or·di·na·tion

defiance of authority; refusal to obey orders.


The Office of the President of the United States is not that of a dictator or general. The Attorney General swears an oath to take their position, part of that oath is to disobey the President if issue orders that are illegal or unconstitutional.

Guess some people just want fascism to settle in without resistance.
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By Ramyrez 2017-01-31 07:28:40  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Guess some people just want fascism to settle in without resistance.

People pretend they care about freedoms, but when those freedoms are inconvenient to their own beliefs they crave a benevolent dictator.

Well, they got half of what they crave.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-01-31 08:23:29  
I'm trying to figure out what people honestly expected to happen with the political cycle. Were they actually expecting that the pendulum would stay on their side forever? Did they actually think that their side has been doing so well that they would never lose power? Did they actually think that ignoring huge demographics was a long-term solution that would guarantee success?

When the status quo fails, people like Trump are what you get. And when people would rather spend more time making baseless Hitler comparisons than actually figuring out what they've been doing wrong, people like Trump are what you are going to continue to get.

Here's a solution: Offer something better for once.
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By Ramyrez 2017-01-31 08:25:10  
The thing is, the longer this goes on, the more I really get why some people just love the hell out of this guy.

You can't approach the situation with logic or rationality, because it simply doesn't apply. Humans are not rational, logical creatures. Even the smartest among us is subject to beliefs and feelings that skew facts and toy with confirmation biases.

Donald Trump -- sad as it makes me to say -- just hits all the right notes with the right people in the right places so now he gets to play despot until someone manages to pry him out of office, one way or another.

Humans are a scared, twitchy bunch. When we feel threatened we retreat to what we know and swing at anything that comes into our bubble.

And apparently just a metric* *** of people in the U.S. are scared as hell of a bunch of things they don't understand.

*Sorry, forgot we don't use that there metric system in these here parts!

All that said, I'm sure someone is just going to do a little wordplay to basically say "no, you just described yourself, hur hur hur."

Or Foney will make a pop culture reference.

Because that's the problem with Trump and his cadre, and a good deal of their supporters.

To paraphrase a stand-up comedian: "You can't play chess with a pigeon; it doesn't matter how great you are at the game, they win because just ***all over the board and fly away."
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By fonewear 2017-01-31 08:25:25  
I'm just shocked that will protest anything just hand them a sign and something to chant !
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By Ramyrez 2017-01-31 08:26:30  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
baseless Hitler comparisons

Dude, it's not. ***. baseless.

No, he's not at the same level, but it's not bloody baseless.

And I'm sorry, when you're in the same ballpark as uncle Adolf, even if you're just the *** bat boy and he's the Babe Ruth of shitty people, that's still too close.
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By fonewear 2017-01-31 08:29:17  
You do realize that this is the worst website online by far and this P n R section just proves it !
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By Ramyrez 2017-01-31 08:29:18  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Here's a solution: Offer something better for once.

We did. The DNC shot it down.

Because the GOP doesn't have carte blanc on shitting up the board.
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By Ramyrez 2017-01-31 08:30:05  
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You do realize that this is the worst website online by far and this P n R section just proves it !

Empircal evidence that you are wrong.
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By fonewear 2017-01-31 08:30:18  
I used to think Yahoo news or Huff Post was bad but I think you guys just moved from Huff Post to here.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-01-31 08:30:49  
This isn't about this side or that side. If you think it's one side being whiny about a shift, then you're ignoring the politicians that are on the now advantageous side reacting in the same manner.

There is a difference between sour grapes and recognizing through their actions that someone doesn't understand how the US government is intended to function.
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By fonewear 2017-01-31 08:31:20  
How bout this go one day without bitching about Trump. I know it's hard but it's possible. The world won't end. I know it's the only thing that gets most of you out of bed. Wake up hmm what did Trump do today that will piss me off !
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By fonewear 2017-01-31 08:32:34  
It's predictable to the point of I already know what will be on CNN and this forum. I'm mad here is why !
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By Ramyrez 2017-01-31 08:32:45  
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How bout this go one day without bitching about Trump.

I've gone like...four?

Put that in your pipe and take a rip, honkey!
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-01-31 08:33:22  
Ramyrez said: »
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baseless Hitler comparisons

Dude, it's not. ***. baseless.

No, he's not at the same level, but it's not bloody baseless.

And I'm sorry, when you're in the same ballpark as uncle Adolf, even if you're just the *** bat boy and he's the Babe Ruth of shitty people, that's still too close.

Suddenly any comparisons to the trademark characteristics displayed by totalitarian dictators and autocrats is automatically dismissed as a baseless Hitler comparison.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-01-31 08:33:35  
Ramyrez said: »
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baseless Hitler comparisons

Dude, it's not. ***. baseless.

No, he's not at the same level, but it's not bloody baseless.

And I'm sorry, when you're in the same ballpark as uncle Adolf, even if you're just the *** bat boy and he's the Babe Ruth of shitty people, that's still too close.

You can literally say that about any national leader and find a way to compare them. If you can't accept that it's baseless, you can maybe accept that it's pointless. It's literally just become a way of describing someone you (proverbial you) don't like because it acts as an anchor to justify your irrational disdain.
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By fonewear 2017-01-31 08:35:08  
The crazy thing is who does Hitler compare himself to ? His dad ?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-01-31 08:35:08  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
This isn't about this side or that side. If you think it's one side being whiny about a shift, then you're ignoring the politicians that are on the now advantageous side reacting in the same manner.

There is a difference between sour grapes and recognizing through their actions that someone doesn't understand how the US government is intended to function.

Nobody understands how the US government is intended to function, and our last two administrations proved that. This is the problem!
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-01-31 08:36:27  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
This isn't about this side or that side. If you think it's one side being whiny about a shift, then you're ignoring the politicians that are on the now advantageous side reacting in the same manner.

There is a difference between sour grapes and recognizing through their actions that someone doesn't understand how the US government is intended to function.

Nobody understands how the US government is intended to function, and our last two administrations proved that. This is the problem!

That might be true for you but that line of ***is getting old.
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By fonewear 2017-01-31 08:37:05  
I don't recall any political candidate every get 24/7 negative news coverage. Hell even if Hitler were president they would probably do a fluff piece !
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