Random Politics & Religion #18 |
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Random Politics & Religion #18
Cerberus.Pleebo said: » I'm not saying millions of illegals actually did vote but it feels like they could have so check and mate, hookers. There's plenty of evidence that fraud happens. We have always lacked the will to investigate further. Usually this cry is shrieked out by liberals and democrats, I wonder why? http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/25/even-if-there-were-zero-voter-fraud-wouldnt-you-want-to-know-rather-than-just-guess/ Siren.Mosin said: » aren't* this site is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Something we all can agree on !
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » I mean could anyone tell me why non citizens wouldn't vote? Do you ever stop and think about how that plays out? To live here illegally and show up to a polling place and risk being detained when you don't check out? Or if you're using a stolen identity the person you're impersonating already voted according to the rolls? Or have the same situation occur on a mail in situation? Why risk it? Illegals don't vote because it draws unwanted attention from the authorities. Can you literally point to any incident in which those events have occurred before? No one would ever suggest all illegals vote to do so would be asinine. By the same measure, it would be equally asinine to suggest that none of them vote. Therefore I'm sure the reasonable conclusion most if not all of us can reach is "some non citizens vote, we just don't know how many". So certainly there should be some incident of a non citizen voting and getting caught no?
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I asked Trump if we can get our edit button back but even he can't get it back !
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Oh HotAir. Thats of course reliable. Meanwhile, Chaffetz says Congress will not partake in Trump's voter fraud lie, and won't be investigating it at all.
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Siren.Mosin said: » aren't* this site is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. eliroo said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » For those of you that don't know... Chicago no longer has extremely restrictive gun laws... years back it was deemed that those restrictive gun laws were unconstitutional and they were abolished... they fought that for a bit here but they're almost completely gone and there is concealed carry here now... Cook County still has several restrictions on firearms, magazine restrictions and ammo restrictions. Most online gun stores can't send things to Cook County because of these restrictions. If you do a little research into it you will find out that Cook County and Chicago actually have pretty restrictive laws but they are all ignored because the state laws aren't restrictive. I'm personally only effected by the laws that restrict shipping so I'm unaware of how their laws are when it comes to buying guns, ammunition or magazines there. Chicago should do a guns for candy program. You turn in your illegal firearm you get some Bazooka Joe gum !
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » CHIRAQ!!!SHY-RACK! Yeah it's gotten to point where points are being made off presumptions based on stereotypes and cliché TV tropes. I guess if one watched a season of The Wire they're an expert on all the things that go on in the streets. We could always build that wall around Chicago cut off all federal funding and see what happens !
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Asura.Saevel said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » How upset are libs gonna be if massive voter fraud turns out to be 100% legitimate and they never win another presidential election again because of it? Define "massive". The only place it would happen would be sanctuary cities, especially in CA. They would be safe from detection there but those places are so super liberal that it wouldn't impact the outcome. The worst it would of done is pad Hillarys numbers in places she already won. Trump is doing an "investigation" because immigration was one of the issues he got his support from. He knows it's bunk but gotta be seen following through. I honestly have no idea how much there is, but every time it does happen we say we can't look into it because "muh voter suppression" so who knows how big of a deal it really is. I would think 1-2% is possible. but I definitely think it's likely that its a big enough problem to swing really close races. If that is confirmed I would qualify that as "massive". Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Can you literally point to any incident in which those events have occurred before? Can you? You're the one who is concerned about it being a thing when everyone is saying it's not. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » No one would ever suggest all illegals vote to do so would be asinine. By the same measure, it would be equally asinine to suggest that none of them vote. Well going by Trumps claim anywhere between 3-5Million Illegal votes affected him in the popular vote. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Therefore I'm sure the reasonable conclusion most if not all of us can reach is "some non citizens vote, we just don't know how many". So certainly there should be some incident of a non citizen voting and getting caught no? Do you have evidence of said non citizen voting and getting caught to validate the presumption? We have a couple of people who were arrested for voting twice and voting for their dead spouses but ironically enough they voted for Trump. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/305063-trump-supporter-arrested-for-voting-twice-to-test-the https://news.vice.com/story/trump-supporters-keep-committing-voter-fraud But again it's your claim and the Donald's as well, and when you make claims that you don't have proof of, acting just a hunch or a feeling; it's not much.
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He is just going to claim intuition again. There is no evidence.
My whole thing is... why does it seem like it's a forgone conclusion that if there is voter fraud that it's only done by the democrats?
Lakshmi.Flavin said: » My whole thing is... why does it seem like it's a forgone conclusion that if there is voter fraud that it's only done by the democrats? Thats what makes it so funny in this case because Trump won, but he is running with the voter fraud lie (which he talked about again today) after a very narrow victory. He is doing more to undermine his victory than the "media" could ever hope to do. Viciouss said: » He is doing more to undermine his victory than the "media" could ever hope to do. Yeah, but clearly he's onto something because he's sucking in people with it. His endgame can't be good, though who knows precisely what it is at this point. Trump has his finger on the pulse of the gullible, though. (Yes, yes. I know. "Blah blah, right back at ya lefty and your savior Obama, blah blah.") I've be investigating FFXIAH poster fraud. A lot of users have like 10 characters and post under different names to give the illusion of a big community...
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Ramyrez said: » Viciouss said: » He is doing more to undermine his victory than the "media" could ever hope to do. Yeah, but clearly he's onto something because he's sucking in people with it. His endgame can't be good, though who knows precisely what it is at this point. Trump has his finger on the pulse of the gullible, though. (Yes, yes. I know. "Blah blah, right back at ya lefty and your savior Obama, blah blah.") Yea it's hilarious. One moment it's claiming that their strategy was so sound in going after winning the electoral cause winning the popular wasn't viable. Then the next moment it's I would have won the popular too if weren't for this pesky illegal votes. ...not because the majority of people who live in the megalopolises can't stand him fonewear said: » I've be investigating FFXIAH poster fraud. A lot of users have like 10 characters and post under different names to give the illusion of a big community... Is nausi going to be your baghdad bob? Lakshmi.Flavin said: » It's really not as simple as that... It really is. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Let's agree to disagree then... we can agree that you're wrong!
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Agree to disagree sounds like something a Canadian would say !
Lakshmi.Flavin said: » My whole thing is... why does it seem like it's a forgone conclusion that if there is voter fraud that it's only done by the democrats? Well in the case of Illegal immigrants voting illegally in the last election. It was pretty clear that one candidate was characterized as wanting to round them all up and kick them out. Do you really need to ask WHY if they voted they would vote against that candidate? Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » But again it's your claim and the Donald's as well, and when you make claims that you don't have proof of, acting just a hunch or a feeling; it's not much. I did post this earlier this morning. Within it it does contain several references to current voter fraud. I guess clicking the link is too hard? Quote: With that as a starting point, here’s some of what we do actually know. In the most recent election, 1/3 of voting machines in one Michigan county recorded more votes than the actual totals. In Florida, just before the election, five people complaining about not receiving their absentee ballots discovered that somebody else had cast them for them. (And those were five people in one small area who actually took the time to go complain. Yeah… I’m sure they were the only ones, right?) In Illinois, people were found to be offering cash for votes. When somebody bothered to check in one Colorado county, the dead were found to be voting with alarming regularity. In one southern California county there were hundreds more votes cast by the dead. Now, when Al Franken obtained his 08 senate seat because of ~312 votes, it really doesn't take alot of fraud to make a MASSIVE difference. Oh did you know that 1099 felons voted (illegally) in that race too? Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » My whole thing is... why does it seem like it's a forgone conclusion that if there is voter fraud that it's only done by the democrats? Well in the case of Illegal immigrants voting illegally in the last election. It was pretty clear that one candidate was characterized as wanting to round them all up and kick them out. Do you really need to ask WHY if they voted they would vote against that candidate?. I do think it's premature for Trump to be stating numbers, but I have no problem with the idea of investigating it. The truth shouldn't have a political bend. If it happened, it happened. If it didn't, it didn't. At least we'll know either way.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » My whole thing is... why does it seem like it's a forgone conclusion that if there is voter fraud that it's only done by the democrats? Well in the case of Illegal immigrants voting illegally in the last election. It was pretty clear that one candidate was characterized as wanting to round them all up and kick them out. Do you really need to ask WHY if they voted they would vote against that candidate? Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » But again it's your claim and the Donald's as well, and when you make claims that you don't have proof of, acting just a hunch or a feeling; it's not much. I did post this earlier this morning. Within it it does contain several references to current voter fraud. I guess clicking the link is too hard? Quote: With that as a starting point, here’s some of what we do actually know. In the most recent election, 1/3 of voting machines in one Michigan county recorded more votes than the actual totals. In Florida, just before the election, five people complaining about not receiving their absentee ballots discovered that somebody else had cast them for them. (And those were five people in one small area who actually took the time to go complain. Yeah… I’m sure they were the only ones, right?) In Illinois, people were found to be offering cash for votes. When somebody bothered to check in one Colorado county, the dead were found to be voting with alarming regularity. In one southern California county there were hundreds more votes cast by the dead. Now, when Al Franken obtained his 08 senate seat because of ~312 votes, it really doesn't take alot of fraud to make a MASSIVE difference. Oh did you know that 1099 felons voted (illegally) in that race too? Of you article that you posted and its references, only 2 stories would pertain to the 2016 Presidential election. One is appears to be an error with voting machines: Quote: 236 precincts in balance — equal numbers of voters counted by workers and machines 248 precincts with too many votes and no explanation (77 were 1 over; 62 were 2 over, 37 were 3 over, 20 were 4 over, 52 were 5 or more over). 144 precincts with too few votes and no explanation (81 were 1 under, 29 were 2 under; 19 were 3 under; 7 were 4 under; 8 were 5 or more under) 34 precincts out of balance but with an explanation That's from the article that Hot Air is linking in reference, and the other pertaining to 5 early ballots that were swiped and affected both Democrat and Republican voters. But it was 5 votes and yes that's an issue but its not 3 to 5 *** million like Trump is claiming. |
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