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By eliroo 2016-12-14 09:28:50  
I don't fully understand the implications but I don't think Trumps aim to privatize government contract work is really a bad thing. Our infrastructure needs help bad and quickly. I personally think Infrastructure reform, especially in places of high poverty, will be a boon to the community. Seeing nicer roads and public buildings would be a huge help.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-14 09:29:35  
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So, yes, a lot of the waste in the federal government can be erased just by changing these regulations.

We could probably get completed roads in a timely fashion too!
Road construction is paid for by the state you live in, mainly through both the state and federal gas tax (some states use additional fund through their general fund, meaning they use regular income/sales taxes to pay for the construction too).

Not a federal issue unless it's interstate system. Even then, it's handled through the state by block grants.
To elaborate, Texans don't pay for the shitty roads in Pennsylvania, and like hell Ramy paid anything into the IH35 mess between Austin and Waco.
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By eliroo 2016-12-14 09:29:48  
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So, yes, a lot of the waste in the federal government can be erased just by changing these regulations.

We could probably get completed roads in a timely fashion too!
Road construction is paid for by the state you live in, mainly through both the state and federal gas tax (some states use additional fund through their general fund, meaning they use regular income/sales taxes to pay for the construction too).

Not a federal issue unless it's interstate system. Even then, it's handled through the state by block grants.

Yea well Texas needs to fix their crap then.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-14 09:32:20  
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I don't fully understand the implications but I don't think Trumps aim to privatize government contract work is really a bad thing. Our infrastructure needs help bad and quickly. I personally think Infrastructure reform, especially in places of high poverty, will be a boon to the community. Seeing nicer roads and public buildings would be a huge help.
It's not a bad thing unless they keep the government contract system in place.

Then it's a very bad thing. You don't kill a monster by feeding it food it likes! All you do is fatten it up and make it demand more food!
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By Yatenkou 2016-12-14 09:32:25  
Ok I know it's InfoWars, but the woman at the press conference is the woman you want to be listening to.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-14 09:33:22  
eliroo said: »
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eliroo said: »
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So, yes, a lot of the waste in the federal government can be erased just by changing these regulations.

We could probably get completed roads in a timely fashion too!
Road construction is paid for by the state you live in, mainly through both the state and federal gas tax (some states use additional fund through their general fund, meaning they use regular income/sales taxes to pay for the construction too).

Not a federal issue unless it's interstate system. Even then, it's handled through the state by block grants.

Yea well Texas needs to fix their crap then.
They already are starting on IH10 between San Antonio and Houston.

It's already a mess between San Antonio and Seguin....
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By Ramyrez 2016-12-14 09:33:23  
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So, yes, a lot of the waste in the federal government can be erased just by changing these regulations.

We could probably get completed roads in a timely fashion too!

There's no "construction completed" in Pennsylvania. You just keep resurfacing the road until you reach the end of your assigned area then you go back to where you started a few years ago and do it again because winters round here tear roads up the way my mother tears up a box of tissues watching Doctor Zhivago.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-14 09:36:27  
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eliroo said: »
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So, yes, a lot of the waste in the federal government can be erased just by changing these regulations.

We could probably get completed roads in a timely fashion too!

There's no "construction completed" in Pennsylvania. You just keep resurfacing the road until you reach the end of your assigned area then you go back to where you started a few years ago and do it again because winters round here tear roads up the way my mother tears up a box of tissues watching Doctor Zhivago.
At least you can blame your problems on the weather.

Texas can only blame Texans for destroying roads.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-12-14 09:49:16  
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Um we were talking about the finely skill people at the department of labor.

What does the department of labor have to do with "climate alarmists"? I think you are confused.
I meant the department of energy.

Good thing we don't have an edit button.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-14 09:53:44  
I think I just found Lordgrim!

3 Dumb Arguments About Donald Trump’s Win Democrats Need To Stop Making Immediately

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Since the election, Democrats have really been down in the Trumps. Despite the tantrums and protests, it strikes me that Democrats must be okay with this state of affairs. Sure, they claim he’s Hitler with a spray tan, and on some level they might even believe this. But short of establishing that half the country are total masochists—the safety word is “MAGA”—why are they doing everything in their power to make sure he runs roughshod over them and wins so much he gets sick of winning? Because that’s what Democrats are doing.

If I wanted to discredit an entire political party, I’d do exactly what Democrats, grassroots and party bosses alike, are doing: whining and making excuses at every opportunity, right up to insisting there must be some fantastical way to overturn a decisive electoral drubbing.


The first step here should be to shut up and do some meaningful self-reflection about why Democrats lost. Yet precious few smart and influential Democrats are actually doing this. To paraphrase Mark Twain, it’s better to remain silent and be thought a loser than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Even worse, the bellyaching about Trump’s victory has become tired and predictable even as it amounts to little more than wishcasting. Now is the time to be honest, so I implore Democrats, if you catch yourself making any of the following arguments about why Trump shouldn’t be president, check your party before you wreck your party.

1. Clinton Won the Popular Vote, Or the Electoral College Is Unfair
Yes, we know she got more than two million more votes than Trump. But the popular vote is never how presidential elections in this country have been decided. It’s called the “United States” for a reason. Nearly the entire premise of the U.S. Constitution—including the Electoral College—is setting up a system of government such that in a large country with as many striking regional and political differences as ours, one state can’t dominate the rest.

Clinton’s margin of victory in California was 4.3 million votes. The rest of the country has good reason not to want national elections to be determined by California alone. Maybe next time have your candidate set foot in Wisconsin? Maybe next time nominate a candidate who’s not so terrible that she runs only a point or two ahead of Donald Freaking Trump in national elections?


Further, many of the arguments against the Electoral College don’t really address the constitutional rationale for its existence. Simply venting in the Washington Post that the Electoral College is a “medieval relic” seems ill-advised. Besides, what does this progressive argument make of the popular vote? Is it somehow preferable to be saddled with a relic from the sixth century B.C.?

This brings us to another problem with shrieking, “Hillary won the popular vote!” Look around the country. Just how popular are Democrats these days? Not very. Thirty-three states now have Republican governors. Republicans have control of the Senate. A third of the Democratic congressional delegation comes from just three states—California, Massachussetts, and New York. Here’s what the House of Representatives map looks like, and does this look like a national party to you?

You can moan about the Electoral College all you want, but to get rid of it, you need to do one of two things. One, pass a constitutional amendment. Or two, have the states come together and decide on a new system for allocating electors. Either way, Democrats need to win a helluva lot more elections to make either of these things possible.

Regarding the reallocation of electors, that’s extremely unlikely because, oh yeah, Republicans control the legislatures in 32 states, and Democrats control the legislatures in just 13. This means that if Republicans come to control 38 legislatures, which is difficult but not unthinkable the way things have been trending, they could call an Article V convention and start passing their own constitutional amendments without any support for Democrats.

At the end of the day, even with Clinton’s popular vote margin, the fact is more Americans are voting for Republicans at the local, state, and federal level. If you’re a Democrat, this total electoral dominance by Republicans should scare the stuffing out of you. But when you’re losing the game, you need to play harder—you can’t just make up new rules as you go along.

2. James Comey and the FBI Wanted Trump Elected
It’s conceivable, per Nate Silver, that the Comey letter in late October gave Trump momentum and possibly swung the election. But my response, like most Americans, is “So what?” If you’re worried about an FBI investigation influencing a presidential election DON’T NOMINATE A CANDIDATE UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION. And you really, really, don’t want to nominate a candidate under investigation whose top aide’s husband is also being investigated by the FBI for child pornography who is also allegedly in possession of emails relevant to the candidate’s FBI investigation that he’s keeping on the same computer as his grody sex pics.


Seriously, stop and read those two previous sentences again, and think about why any normal person would be in any way sympathetic to this predicament. As to whether the Clinton email investigation was warranted in the first place, if you take this argument seriously I beg of you to ask one of the millions of Americans who’ve dealt with the rigmarole of getting a security clearance whether they think there’s an obvious double standard.

As to the possibility of Comey playing politics, if he was out to get her why didn’t he recommend charges initially? The political influence with the Clinton email investigation ran only in one direction, and that benefited Clinton. The attorney general in the position of bringing charges, Loretta Lynch, was appointed a U.S. attorney by Bill Clinton and later worked for a law firm connected to the Clintons for years. President Obama formally endorsed Hillary Clinton when the FBI investigation was still ongoing. That should have been grounds for a special prosecutor. The issue isn’t that Hillary Clinton was betrayed by Comey; the issue should be that she skated. Lest we forget, they were chanting “lock her up” at the Democratic convention as well.

Finally, there’s my favorite argument that many a well-known Democrat has made regarding her email server: “There’s no proof Hillary Clinton’s server endangered national security.” Now proof that it did is not a requirement for violating the law. But let’s get this straight.

On one hand, Democrats have spent the last several months arguing that Clinton did nothing to endanger national security, presumably because we can be certain that Russians couldn’t hack into the server that everyone’s favorite abuela was keeping in the closet right the behind the Rubbermaid containers full of Christmas ornaments.

On the other hand, Democrats are now demanding we need a thorough congressional investigation right now because of concerns Russian hackers may have penetrated our entire electoral system across several states to steal the election. In fact, UFO enthusiast and Democratic capo John Podesta—I’m beginning to think these two avocations are not unrelated—is demanding some pronouncement about how terrible the Russian hacking was before the Electoral College votes ratify the results so they can presumably respond by something something something President Hillary!

Pick one of these arguments and stick with it, please. Anyway, this brings me to the third argument.

3. The Russians Are Coming!
I don’t want to be too flippant here, because Russia is a serious threat and I have no doubt that they want to meddle in our elections. The fact that top Trump aides might be, say, laundering money for Russian mobsters makes a lot of people understandably queasy. Republicans in Congress agree with Democrats that Russia’s attempt at influencing things unduly needs investigating.

However, the evidence that Russians had any real impact on the actual election results is embarrassingly scant and wildly disproportionate to the amount of supposedly legitimate media outlets and public figures taking the idea of Russian hacking seriously. If the roles were reversed, I have no illusions that the media and their Democratic allies would be pretty dismissive of this given the lack of hard evidence.

As it happens, on October 18 no less than Barack Obama mused, “There is no serious person out there who would suggest that you could even rig America’s elections, in part because they are so decentralized. There is no evidence that that has happened in the past, or that there are instances that that could happen this time.”

Further, the media wasn’t always troubled by American presidents cozying up to Russia:

Also, isn’t the fact that Russia is so hostile to us now and allegedly undermining our elections a pretty damning judgment on the competence of the woman in charge of overseeing Obama’s “Russian reset” if the point of that was more friendly relations? The charitable interpretation here is that Russia is, for whatever reason, so afraid of Clinton that they tried to undermine the election. But there was also a time, not that long ago, when intimidating Russians by calling them our “number one geopolitical foe” was a bad thing in the eyes of the media. Oddly, I’m not seeing too much contrition over what they did to Romney (this is about it), even as they are now in an unjustified panic.

Then again, we’re talking about a party that has an 80-year history of claiming Republicans were exaggerating the threat of Russia. In fact, “60 Minutes” ran a report about the effort to get Obama to pardon the Rosenbergs on October 16, three weeks before the election and 63 years after they were executed. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, we have all manner of evidence conclusively proving the Rosenbergs were spies. It’s not even a remotely controversial matter, unless, apparently, you’re a member of the media.

Now, there is one tangible precedent for the Russkies intervening in our elections. That’s because Ted Kennedy actually asked them to interfere in the 1984 election. For some strange reason this revelation wasn’t the first thing that inexplicably failed to, uh, sink Ted Kennedy’s career. Rather, it’s a story most Americans never even heard about.

It seems as if the media only cares about Russian threats insofar as they harm Democrats’ electoral chances. To hear Democrats screaming about the threat of Russia now, after ignoring the problem for decades, isn’t something that ordinary Americans are going to pay much attention to—at least not without more evidence and some real contrition regarding their about-face on the Russian threat.

I don’t see that happening soon, because too many Democrats with a megaphone are convinced that something sinister is going on. As filmmaker Joss Whedon noted, “The crafty move was forcing the Dems to debunk voter fraud, so when the Trump/Putin cabal ACTUALLY COMMITTED it, we’d sound hypocritical.” Whedon’s right about one thing—Democrats do sound hypocritical. The obvious explanation isn’t Putinist conspiracy, but that Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate with more corrupt baggage than the Kardashians on safari. (But if it makes Whedon feel any better, Hail Hydra!)

Anyway, you may not want to believe I have good intentions here, but if you can’t accept this tough love, consider it tough snark. I really do believe America needs a functional opposition party. That, however, will require accepting some criticism as valid and, yes, probably some compromise in response to that criticism. Recall that just eight years ago, Democrats had total control of Washington—assuming Republicans will be in power forever is folly.

However, a month after the election they’re still publishing op-eds in the Los Angeles Times headlined “Why the Democrats don’t need an overhaul.” The longer Democrats are in denial, the longer their road to political recovery is going to be. They don’t have to like what happened, but for their own good, Democrats need to stop seriously entertaining arguments that Trump’s victory was invalid.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-12-14 09:55:42  
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For example: All departments are required accept the "lowest" proposed bid for government contract work. However, the government is also required to pay any of the work that goes above and beyond the proposed bid, as long as it maintains the scope of the contract.

This isn't true at all.

It depends on the type of contract, some are indeed lowest bidder while others are costs plus, best value or performance based. Each contract type has a different structure and the government agency doing the contracting is who decides which to use. The ones most open to abuse are costs plus and lowest bidder for the reasons you specify though you confuse the two and imply they are part of the same contract.

What you described is known as Costs Plus and functions as a model for the contractor to offer a base value with an assumed buffer for additional expenses. Taking the road example it would be

Contractor A -$1,000,000 +250,000 in additional expenses
Contractor B - $750,000 +250,000 in additional expenses.

Now each contractor manages their work differently and contractor A may indeed come in under budget, which they get absolutely nothing for doing except an angry letter for a government bureaucrat who now has to find a way to spend the rest to prevent their budget from being decreased.. Contractor B on the other hand could mismanage their resources and require additional funding, in which case they are rarely penalized and provided they could cleverly phrase the requirement would be thanked by that same government bureaucrat for giving them a reason to justify a larger budget.


See this all revolves around how Federal programs work with budgets. Various bureaucrat jockey with each other every year trying to justify expanding their own departments budget. Bigger budgets mean more people hired and more people hired means a better performance review, easier promotions and higher positions of authority. Nobody wants their budgets reduced for those same reasons. Saving money, otherwise known as underspending, just gives the budget manager a reason to reduce your budget and transfer that amount to another departments budget due to overspending. If your department saved $250,000 a year due due to good stewardship and good management, you get absolutely nothing and next year you are penalized that same $250,000 and that penalty stays permanently. If your program has five years left then "saving $250,000" early ends up costing you $1,000,000 or more in the long run and probably a demotion / transfer. This system is then pressed upon contractors and they are encouraged to go overbudget but in a way that could be explained as "not anyone's fault". That is where the real collusion / corruption between senior government managers and contract executives is at, not backdoor deals to siphon funds for private use.

This extra spending is known as "end of year spending" and happens right after August / September when the budget offices start to close out the fiscal year and notice they have extra unspent money. Then it's a feeding frenzy as every office submits UFR's (UnFunded Requests) to get that extra money spent. Those UFR's take time so the best prepared offices get their holiday wish lists completed first. I know this because I used to fill out and manage UFR's when I was a team chief in the US Army and worked with my government civilian management to get all that stuff prepared no later then June so that when "spending season" hit we could always get our stuff immediately approved before anyone else had a chance. I'm talking hundreds of thousands of dollars of IT equipment, office furniture, high capacity printers, vehicles, pretty much anything you could want all prepared and waiting for the magic "green light" to submit.

So don't blame the contractors for overspending, they are forced to overspend to some degree otherwise they risk losing future contracts.
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By Ramyrez 2016-12-14 10:00:49  
End result is the same, though.

Government contract work and overall expenditure practices need a serious overhaul.
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By eliroo 2016-12-14 10:01:49  
Too much too read and too little to care.

I do know that "Dems" like Sanders and Ellison are actually trying to change the party. Again, I think a more progressive movement would make more sense for them. I mean the republicans went pretty heavy on the nationalism this election and got them the ticket.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-12-14 10:05:52  
Something I forgot to mention, the above practices are the prime driver of "budget bloat" where each government agencies budget expands significantly every year. It was the whole reason behind sequestration, Congress knew it had to deflate the budget but very few wanted to risk taking the popularity hit of being the one to do this. Instead they all agreed upon planed automatic (as in nobody's fault) reductions if no budget could be agreed upon (which they knew couldn't happen). Of course no budget could be agreed upon and when sequestration kicked in each federal department was responsible for going through it's programs and determining what could be reduced. It was a forced budget cut that wasn't blamed on any one person and thus no one person would take responsibility for the reduction that followed. It worked exactly as planned, the population was pissed but no single individual would really risk losing their position from it. The Defense Department took a massive hit and lots of inflated budgets got reduced, of course they also sacrificed some to save various holy cows (F35 anyone).
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-14 10:07:31  
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It depends on the type of contract, some are indeed lowest bidder while others are costs plus, best value or performance based. Each contract type has a different structure and the government agency doing the contracting is who decides which to use. The ones most open to abuse are costs plus and lowest bidder for the reasons you specify though you confuse the two and imply they are part of the same contract.
Are you talking about the federal government alone? Or are you lumping states with it?

Even the GSA specified that they run low cost only contracts:

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See this all revolves around how Federal programs work with budgets. Various bureaucrat jockey with each other every year trying to justify expanding their own departments budget. Bigger budgets mean more people hired and more people hired means a better performance review, easier promotions and higher positions of authority. Nobody wants their budgets reduced for those same reasons. Saving money, otherwise known as underspending, just gives the budget manager a reason to reduce your budget and transfer that amount to another departments budget due to overspending. If your department saved $250,000 a year due due to good stewardship and good management, you get absolutely nothing and next year you are penalized that same $250,000 and that penalty stays permanently. If your program has five years left then "saving $250,000" early ends up costing you $1,000,000 or more in the long run and probably a demotion / transfer. This system is then pressed upon contractors and they are encouraged to go overbudget but in a way that could be explained as "not anyone's fault". That is where the real collusion / corruption between senior government managers and contract executives is at, not backdoor deals to siphon funds for private use.
That issue is a whole different ballgame in terms of waste.

Might as well focus on the biggest issue first, solve it, and move on to the next biggest issue.
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End result is the same, though.

Government contract work and overall expenditure practices need a serious overhaul.

Yes, removing the penalty from coming in under budget would go a long way towards this. Government managers are extremely afraid of losing their budgets so everything is inflated to protect against that. It's easier for them to say "the work was more expensive then anticipated, I need another $250,000 yearly" then "the work was less expensive but please don't permanently reduce my budget by $250,000 yearly"
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Ok I know it's InfoWars, but the woman at the press conference is the woman you want to be listening to.

Then post her full interview, not edited infowar crap

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She had one question at the end, she looks legit until she answer questions and goes off about conspiracy theories, she didn't document anything on a large scope, it's basically "Believe me it's true!!!".

Can I get a synopsis, what is this about? I can't watch right now.
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Are you talking about the federal government alone? Or are you lumping states with it?

Federal only, I don't have experience with State level contracting. Though since states are also governments, and therefor spending other peoples money, I don't see them being too different.

My personal favorite is "Performance Based" where the government pays X amount *period* for the defined scope of work. Any additional spending the contractor is responsible for, but any costs saving they pocket. So if a contract is 15 Million yearly, and the company only spends 13 Million, then the company gets to keep the 2 Million. It's normally used for service work where personal labor costs are the highest. Mid level federal government guys are scared to death of that model because it's frequently used to "out-source" their jobs to private companies that don't need to "overspend". The US Army Force and Navy use that model the most, the Army hates it but is forced to use it (DA Civilians are some of the most bureaucratic kingdom builders in the federal government).
 
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By Yatenkou 2016-12-14 10:33:58  
eliroo said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Ok I know it's InfoWars, but the woman at the press conference is the woman you want to be listening to.

Then post her full interview, not edited infowar crap

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She had one question at the end, she looks legit until she answer questions and goes off about conspiracy theories, she didn't document anything on a large scope, it's basically "Believe me it's true!!!".

Can I get a synopsis, what is this about? I can't watch right now.
Basically everything the corporate is saying is a lie. The civilians in Aleppo are not being slaughtered, the civilians are praising the Syrian government for the liberation, and she goes on about the huge human rights violations that were committed by the rebels. These include but are not limited to.

1.) Executing people
2.) Bombing hospitals
3.) Hoarding supplies such as food, water, and medical supplies
4.) Using people as human shields while fighting the Syrian army.

Long story short, the rebels aren't the ones we should be supporting, but the military fighting to retake the city.
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By eliroo 2016-12-14 10:34:57  
I'm just curious what her claims are.

On a side note, The proxy war in Syria is ending and a republican is taking office. I wonder what part of the middle-east we will be in this session.
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By Viciouss 2016-12-14 10:38:00  
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Basically everything the corporate is saying is a lie. The civilians in Aleppo are not being slaughtered, the civilians are praising the Syrian government for the liberation, and she goes on about the huge human rights violations that were committed by the rebels. These include but are not limited to.

1.) Executing people
2.) Bombing hospitals
3.) Hoarding supplies such as food, water, and medical supplies
4.) Using people as human shields while fighting the Syrian army.

Long story short, the rebels aren't the ones we should be supporting, but the military fighting to retake the city.

OK Lordgrim.

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Actually, this is more in line with that guy that calls us all Zionists. Whatever his name was.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-14 10:39:25  
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By Ramyrez 2016-12-14 10:39:29  
I mean...LG did that also, but I think maybe you mean Blazed?
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By eliroo 2016-12-14 10:39:34  
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Basically everything the corporate is saying is a lie. The civilians in Aleppo are not being slaughtered, the civilians are praising the Syrian government for the liberation, and she goes on about the huge human rights violations that were committed by the rebels. These include but are not limited to.

1.) Executing people
2.) Bombing hospitals
3.) Hoarding supplies such as food, water, and medical supplies
4.) Using people as human shields while fighting the Syrian army.

Long story short, the rebels aren't the ones we should be supporting, but the military fighting to retake the city.


Wasn't this the basic understanding? ISIL was working with the rebels, and I thought that was common knowledge. I know people weren't happy with the government but I thought the consensus was that people were even more unhappy with the rebel alliance.

I don't know what Frances stake in this conflict is, but I'm positive that the US was funding the war to topple the government in an aim to control it via proxy after the rebellion.
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By Viciouss 2016-12-14 10:41:00  
The rebels aren't working with ISIS, no.
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By eliroo 2016-12-14 10:41:06  
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Long story short, the rebels aren't the ones we should be supporting, but the military fighting to retake the city.


Long story shorter, we should keep our sticky hands off of foreign affairs.
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