Random Politics & Religion #14

Is anyone expecting a room full of neo nazis to cheer hail Clinton or hail obama?

I mean they really can't it doesn't fit the whole movement, so why is this so surprising?

That DOL website "mythbusters" is either badly worded or purposefully worded to make the reader jump to conclusions.

Here's a few examples:


The problem with this statement is, is that it doesn't say how much of that "89%" figure is true, current minimum wage or is between MW +$.01 to $12, meaning above minimum wage (by state, since states have different minimum wage rates). The DOL has the real numbers, they could have easily published how many teens are paid actual minimum wage and how many non-teens (people 20+) are paid actual minimum wage. Why do you think they didn't publish that?


That "not true" didn't even answer the myth. The letter only talks about the positives of nominal wage increases. It doesn't talk about the negatives of the increases, which is what the "myth" was addressing. It also doesn't even come close to talking about "real" wage increases, which any economist worth their salt would know would be the actual benefits given to the workers and what they really need. When economists talk about wage deflation, they are talking about real wage deflation, not nominal.


Again, their answer isn't even addressing the "myth" at all. A survey doesn't answer the real issue, which is if small businesses can afford it or not. Especially since a lot of small businesses run very thin margin lines that can destroy any price shocks associated with their margin lines, such as labor cost increases.


Oh look, they are talking about 2 states that don't have the federal tipped minimum wage rates when they try to dispel the "myth" of federal tipped minimum wage rates. Talk about a strawman argument.


Again, nominal, not real. Which is the arguments presented against minimum wage increases.


What the DOL "forgets" to say is that those wage increases for retention purposes are what keeps people staying in that business, not mandatory, across-the-board, wage increases. They are jumping to conclusions based on retention studies that research retention in the workplace. Voluntary wage increases increases retention, not mandatory.


Even their response shows that raising minimum wage is not a primary factor in the rise of real GDP. There are multiple factors when it comes to the rise of real GDP, but most economists won't attribute minimum wage increases as a factor, because it only effects nominal increases, not real. Again, the DOL is using 2 different situations and hoping the reader ties them together for them.

There are several other things I can point out, but I think I got my point across by now. The DOL is being very dishonest in their responses to these "myths."

It stems from eight years of being vilified and brow beaten by obama and his "you didn't build that while clinging to your guns and bibles" it's a backlash against his divisive, derisive rhetoric.

This is obama's whirlwind, trump is just the reaper.

They have more ideologically in common than you think. I'm not surprised that you're ignorant of this.

Good things Hitler did?

Well, he declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan (and only Japan) following the attack of Pearl Harbor. Because of that, the US could essentially fight on the European Front instead of only the Pacific Front.

Which lead to his downfall, but hey!

I was being an ***...

I'm evil and wrong. I'm the villain of the twenty first century.

Much like the alt right manosphere and the extreme left trigger-warning/safe space/fat feminist population has more in common than you think. Much like the presumably-conservative white rural poor and the presumably-liberal black urban poor have more in common than they seem to think or want to acknowledge.

Which is why I'm try, really trying, to be more even-tempered and considerate when approaching things and consider people's points of view, though with admitted snark visible on this page, I'm clearly still having failings.

You're not the villain we need, but you're the villain we deserve right now!

You do realize if Trump screws up you guys will have a lifetime of unrelented condescending reminders that you cut your nose to spite your face?

we do it all the time... what are the real odds we won't totally screw it all up?

the last time we controlled the congress and the white house the depression happened.

To be fair, they were probably going to get that anyhow whether it was factual or not, so at least some of them figured why not do it anyhow and get the benefit of the spite at least.

The encouraging words that everyone needs!

I wasn't there but I hear it wasn't a whole lot of fun...

Depression Two, Electric Boogaloo... this time it's global!!!

Are you sure they are being "dishonest" or are they simply representing facts that go against your opinion? This is the Department of Labor we are talking about which assuredly has a bit more credibility than the "Department of Kingnobody".

Remember that big money companies directly benefit from lower wages and the US government pays for those low wages through welfare and other things, it wouldn't be absurd to hear that the Koch brothers or the Waltons are pushing for non-minimum wage laws.

Yeah one believes in a stateless and classless society and the other believes society should worship the state with mandated nationalism with a class structure that reflects corporate hierarchy.

Except it was global.

You may be an old fart, but just because you lived for some of it, doesn't mean you can ignore it. Read your history man!

Most economist attribute that recession to Bill Clintons deregulation of Wall Street though so that hardly constitutes as a republican issue. Obama also received a lot of praise about getting us out of depression when some of the reasons we were was because of Bush.

*dies*

I heard it was depressing.

The real problem that we'll run up against first is that we'll give tax breaks to corporations, but because government regulation/stipulations are bad we won't make it contingent on re-investing it into our economy.

and what do you think a bunch of suddenly rich jackoffs are going to do with the sudden windfall?

I don't think I approved creation of that cabinet position. Please get on confirming the appointments of Mr. Bozzio and Phantom Zappa.

The Department of *** Censorship Right in the Hoo-Ha cannot go leaderless for long without grave consequences.

Seriously, I think I saw Tipper Gore around. ***' HURRY UP.

we expanded into a lot more markets though so...
This time it will be even globalyier!

How do you rationalize hat the alt right is full of white supremacists yet is supposedly lead by someone lile milo a Jewish gay male who loves BBC?

Did...did...

Did you read what I wrote or just see that I typed "alt-right manosphere" and assume I went "RACIST NAZI RACIST NAZI RACIST NAZI COCKOCKRACY!?

Build golden apartments:

where can I read about that thing?

The problem is that both parties are failing to distinguish the fact that there are a two groups of Alt-right, one which is far less scarier and radical than the other. Maybe we should call one group the Alt-Right and the other group the ctrl-alt-right or something.

Appointed for Secretary of Trumpisms.