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By Ramyrez 2016-11-18 14:53:20  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
So, I heard a little earlier on the radio a caller who was concerned about Trump's promise to create jobs. Why? Because more jobs means more businesses and more businesses means MORE POLLUTION.

McLol.

I...am afraid to ask, but that's all there was to it?

No specifics? No "his promise to deregulate resource extraction to create jobs will cause more pollution?"

Just "more jobs = more pollution?"
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-11-18 14:53:31  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
So, I heard a little earlier on the radio a caller who was concerned about Trump's promise to create jobs. Why? Because more jobs means more businesses and more businesses means MORE POLLUTION.

McLol.

Witness the full power of this liberal indoctrination station...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-11-18 14:55:20  
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Without religion there is no basis on outrage for the topic.

THIS is prejudice.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-18 14:57:45  
Ramyrez said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
So, I heard a little earlier on the radio a caller who was concerned about Trump's promise to create jobs. Why? Because more jobs means more businesses and more businesses means MORE POLLUTION.

McLol.

I...am afraid to ask, but that's all there was to it?

No specifics? No "his promise to deregulate resource extraction to create jobs will cause more pollution?"

Just "more jobs = more pollution?"

Yeah. Simply put, the caller was not the brightest crayon in the box. She sounded like a teenager, but I'm not sure.
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-18 14:58:03  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Without religion there is no basis on outrage for the topic.

THIS is prejudice.

You're really, really good at the things you make fun of liberal whiners for doing.
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-18 14:58:30  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
So, I heard a little earlier on the radio a caller who was concerned about Trump's promise to create jobs. Why? Because more jobs means more businesses and more businesses means MORE POLLUTION.

McLol.

I...am afraid to ask, but that's all there was to it?

No specifics? No "his promise to deregulate resource extraction to create jobs will cause more pollution?"

Just "more jobs = more pollution?"

Yeah. Simply put, the caller was not the brightest crayon in the box. She sounded like a teenager, but I'm not sure.

Oi.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-11-18 14:59:01  
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Agreed, make it equal for all, what's with propping up people based on race or gender?
Precisely because it isn't equal for all.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-18 15:01:39  
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Agreed, make it equal for all, what's with propping up people based on race or gender?
Precisely because it isn't equal for all.

It never will be with a victim culture that enjoys the benefits.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2016-11-18 15:03:07  
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Agreed, make it equal for all, what's with propping up people based on race or gender?
Precisely because it isn't equal for all.

Based on affluence yeah. But being born to a rich black family shouldn't get more perks in life than being born in a poor white family. They're basing it off of your gender or skin color instead of the actual opportunity of monetary family wealth. The minority, gender thing is *** meaningless vs. whether a family is dirt poor or rich.
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-18 15:04:32  
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It never will be with a victim culture that enjoys the benefits.


The additional insults are unnecessary and beneath you.

Reality is that you can't force equality in all ways and in trying too hard we sometimes overcompensate in this country.

It is not "playing the victim" to take advantage of the legal/legislative landscape and then get upset when the landscape changes.

If it were every billionaire in this country plays the victim every time a tax regulation changes that previously benefitted them.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-11-18 15:13:52  
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Agreed, make it equal for all, what's with propping up people based on race or gender?
Precisely because it isn't equal for all.

Based on affluence yeah. But being born to a rich black family shouldn't get more perks in life than being born in a poor white family. They're basing it off of your gender or skin color instead of the actual opportunity of monetary family wealth. The minority, gender thing is *** meaningless vs. whether a family is dirt poor or rich.
I'm not familiar with whatever piece of legislation was voted down but these programs normally take income into account. I've seen plenty of grant opportunities for minorities that I wouldn't qualify for because of this.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-18 15:14:10  
Ramyrez said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
It never will be with a victim culture that enjoys the benefits.


The additional insults are unnecessary and beneath you.

Reality is that you can't force equality in all ways and in trying too hard we sometimes overcompensate in this country.

It is not "playing the victim" to take advantage of the legal/legislative landscape and then get upset when the landscape changes.

If it were every billionaire in this country plays the victim every time a tax regulation changes that previously benefitted them.

It wasn't an insult. It's a reality. I never specified an exact culture (it isn't just the ones that you immediately assumed I was referring to), and it's basic sociology. If the benefits outweigh the perceived inequality, those receiving said benefits are incentivized to ensure that the perception never changes.
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-18 15:17:30  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Without religion there is no basis on outrage for the topic.

THIS is prejudice.

I want to clarify on this a bit more because it's actually kind of bothering me.

You claim that I am displaying prejudice saying there is no non-religious basis for denying homosexual couples all the rights and privileges of heterosexual couples, but I would like to know your reasoning.

Am I being prejudice against religion? Am I forcing them into same-sex marriages, to perform them, or to acknowledge them religiously?

Am I making them accept homosexuality as part of their own lives in any way?

Inversely, there is no non-religious argument that validates denying homosexual couples full equivalence under the law. To do so is to violate their rights because you do not like them. That is prejudice.

The only conceivable argument (heh, conceivable) is that they cannot produce natural offspring, but in that case you're arguing that my own heterosexual marriage isn't valid because neither can my wife and I. Soooo.

Let me have it if you can, but I really don't see any viable solution you have to establishing the one man/one woman marriage standard without evoking religious tradition/doctrine.
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-18 15:18:48  
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it isn't just the ones that you immediately assumed I was referring to

Fair enough, but in my defense given he's going on about laws regarding a few very specific groups, it wasn't the most inconceivable assumption.

Either way, my mistake.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-18 15:26:43  
Ramyrez said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
it isn't just the ones that you immediately assumed I was referring to

Fair enough, but in my defense given he's going on about laws regarding a few very specific groups, it wasn't the most inconceivable assumption.

Either way, my mistake.

Not gonna lie, depending on how much I'm multitasking I don't always respond based on the specifics of the conversation and sometimes take it back to a more macro level with a generalized comment. It wasn't a terrible assumption on your part.
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By Viciouss 2016-11-18 16:18:36  
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Well in other non-bigotted news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/politics/jeff-sessions-donald-trump-attorney-general.html


My hope is quickly dwindling. I don't know why I got it up in the first place.

I'm not sure either. We now have a racist nominated for AG. Awesome. Hopefully the Senate takes him to task.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-18 16:27:00  
Viciouss said: »
eliroo said: »
Well in other non-bigotted news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/politics/jeff-sessions-donald-trump-attorney-general.html


My hope is quickly dwindling. I don't know why I got it up in the first place.

I'm not sure either. We now have a racist nominated for AG. Awesome. Hopefully the Senate takes him to task.

Perhaps someone hasn't been following the conversation today. Do you have anything to base this off of besides a bad joke from decades ago, or can I safely assume this this is another yawnworthy buzzword?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-11-18 16:32:56  
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Hopefully the Senate takes him to task.

/laughs until tears form

thanks for that
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By fonewear 2016-11-18 16:33:08  
Reading these last few pages feels like a chore and you know how I feel about chores !
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By fonewear 2016-11-18 16:34:48  
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By fonewear 2016-11-18 16:46:11  
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By Zerowone 2016-11-18 19:34:15  
Word is Trump is settling with the plaintiffs of the Trump U case.

According to Trump he never settles (though court records indicate otherwise).
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-18 21:52:45  
Ramyrez said: »
Which is where everything falls apart, because the people who want them see them as perfectly logical and reasonable
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There are no logical arguments for, say, a Muslim ban or marriage inequality

Which is where everything falls apart, because the people who want them see them as perfectly logical and reasonable. Muslim terrorists are too big a danger to our freedom and Muslim communities, intentionally or otherwise, clearly represent a place where these terrorists can hide out and plot against America.

As for gay marriage, there's no question. Men and women were made to be together, men and men were not. It's right in the Bible. Marriage came from God in the very beginning. Not man. You can't pervert that!

...you see why this is all very difficult.

This is why liberals lost the election, instant reality warping effect.

Trump never proposed to ban Muslims or to require all Muslims be on a "registry". Those were words put into his mouth be a media wanting to project him as evil. Specifically Trump proposed additional screening for non-US citizens (aka immigrants) coming in from countries who have governments or are predisposed to being unfriendly to the USA. Those countries just happen to be primary Muslim and that is where everyone grabbed on. They would want to track those individuals to ensure they aren't spreading Islamic extremeism or causing problems in the USA. MOST LIBERAL EUROPEAN SOCIALIST COUNTRIES ALREADY DO THIS.

But because this is the USA, somehow we're expected to not protect our borders and instead allow unrestricted access to all those future-democrat voters umm "people". Most American see and understand this, those living inside the liberal reality warping bubble don't and only see what they are told to see. Just like the "Hillary will easily win this election" line.

The whole gay marriage blah blah thing is just the "Religious Democrats" continuing to do what they've done for over a century. Hell just a few decades ago they were the Southern Democrats pushing for all sorts of bat ***crazy stuff, ended up defecting because they didn't like the civil rights movement.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-18 21:59:41  
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All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

- Bill Clinton, 1995 State of the Union
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-11-18 22:44:25  
Who here is advocating against immigration law?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-11-19 00:04:29  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Who here is advocating against immigration law?
Don't you advocate against voter ID?

Why do you think we advocate for it? Specifically so we can't make sure people who aren't suppose to vote (like Il-legals) don't vote.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-19 00:12:54  
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Who here is advocating against immigration law?

I don't recall making any such accusation. Guilty conscience?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-11-19 00:15:42  
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Trump never proposed to ban Muslims or to require all Muslims be on a "registry". Those were words put into his mouth be a media wanting to project him as evil.

Wrong.

It was a press release during his campaign during the primaries.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

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"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on"


That's a call for a ban.

In November that year he said he would certainly implement a Muslim Registry if elected to the White House.

Those were his words, people took issue when those words fell on their ears. It has nothing to do with the media projecting an image.

Though what could be said about the people defending his words and attacking people who took offense?
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